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[General TSAR]

Market research says vast majority of customer base prefers White Male protagonist.

Too bad for you OP.

[lv12medic]

pdusen wrote...

... There isn't anything at all curious about crazy marketing voodoo.

On a more serious note, I'd rather like to see more varied marketing strategies used in the gaming industry.  Yes, on one side it seems the best strategy to aim for the statistical norm of your targeted audience.  But in doing so, marketing loses focus of it's own goal.  To capture an individuals attention to draw intrest to the advertised product.

I see far too often in the business world where entire industies aim for this undefined, amophous blob to market to, as if everyone was a living reresentation of some probability distribution.

[Ecmoose]

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

Ah yes, because a strange or bizarre allure based on ones heritage is not racist at all. They should be glad that they don't have a normal beauty or allure.

[shit's fucked cunts]

fiveforchaos wrote...

Exactly, I'm not necessarily an educated buyer all the time (or at least I wasn't back then) I will buy, or at least look at games, based soley on the cover, and that's the  case with a lot of consumers too. If a game looks like another game I know I don't like, then I won't look at that game either, even though Mass Effect has a lot of elements (good story, characters, customizable PC etc...) that I did like in my games.

The Mass Effect 1 cover featured multiple aliens and a woman in addition to the "generic" white male. There were no American flags, or current-era rifles, or camouflaged uniforms like what you'd expect from a truly "generic" shooter. Furthermore, if you actually bothered to turn the case over, you'd see more aliens, and a bit of the blurb touting customisation and character interaction.

I'm kind of amazed that the default male Shepard cancels all of that out.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:42 .

[Thiefy]

Ecmoose wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

How about using one of those lovely WoCs from the concept art as an Inquisitor in those demos of yours instead of Generic White Man #47. That'd be great. Thanks.

Because:

*snip*

Seriously, they can't even begin to fathom sharing that coveted "promo/canon" space with a man of color, you really think they will let a woman (let alone a woman of color) STEAL that spot?

But hey, Qunari with HORNS as a playable race. That's totally not pandering to fan demands AT ALL.

In all seriousness I wish Bioware would make a canon black protagonist (with FABULOUS hair). Ever see the sh*t storm that happens when there's a black superman or black batman? But  nah, that doesn't make those people racist. they just feel threatened by images of something that doesn't conform to their expectations and expect/demand that the status quo used to marginalize everyone else be maintained for the sake of "coherency/logic". 

Haha that mug is fantastic.

What you say is true though, when Idris Elba was cast in Thor there were websites dedicated to boycotting the movie, but when Bane went from hispanic to English, no one batted an eye (except to swoon over Tom Hardy).
It's an unfortunate double standard.

pretty sure the responses to it are going to be more hilarious. 

and yeah the level of unfortunate the double standards are in media are about as high/as many as the people who belong to these privilege groups who will attempt to dimiss and talk over any valid claim made by people affected by their privilege.

it's almost like people like us don't know our place 

[killswitch423]

Ecmoose wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

Ah yes, because a strange or bizarre allure based on ones heritage is not racist at all. They should be glad that they don't have a normal beauty or allure.

...There are two definitions in that you know. 

[Sabariel]

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

1. Dehumanizing
2. Fetishsizing

...You were saying?

Modifié par Sabariel, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:46 .

[killswitch423]

I sincerely hope one day our culture will evolve past having to worry about this kind of thing. It is unfortunate that it exists in all forms.

And that's about all I can say apparently, for fear of being driven away from this thread for being 'privileged'.

[thatguy212]

Sabariel wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

1. Dehumanizing
2. Fetishisizing

...You were saying?

Ah yes i forgot how being foreign was dehumanizing, or how being attractive was a fetish

[shit's fucked cunts]

Sabariel wrote...

3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

This whole thread you've been using the word "generic" to describe white people. Is that different?

Modifié par Zazzerka, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[General TSAR]

As a White Generic Heterosexual Male I feel privileged.

[Ecmoose]

N7_killswitch wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

Ah yes, because a strange or bizarre allure based on ones heritage is not racist at all. They should be glad that they don't have a normal beauty or allure.

...There are two definitions in that you know. 

And going by the first definition is entirely subjective. If you have 20 japanese women in a room with one white women guess who is exotic.

Hint: the answer is not one woman in a room with 20 exotic women. So using exotic to define someone who looks like they're from another country than you is still racist.

[phunx]

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

3. NZ (of trees, esp pine trees) native to the northern hemisphere but cultivated in New Zealand an exotic forest

4. of or relating to striptease

From the same website you quoted, seems like you missed some of them *tips fedora* And my I interest you in a slightly different song

Modifié par phunx, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:49 .

[Sabariel]

Zazzerka wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

1. Dehumanizing
2. Fetishisizing

...You were saying?

This whole thread you've been using the word "generic" to describe white people. Is that different?

Perhaps you need eyeglasses or a jaunty monocle, my friend, because I seem to recall myself saying that BioWare continues to showcase a Generic White Male, and not that all white people are generic

P.S. Even if I had said that, yes, it would be different.

Modifié par Sabariel, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:51 .

[killswitch423]

Ecmoose wrote...

N7_killswitch wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

Ah yes, because a strange or bizarre allure based on ones heritage is not racist at all. They should be glad that they don't have a normal beauty or allure.

...There are two definitions in that you know. 

And going by the first definition is entirely subjective. If you have 20 japanese women in a room with one white women guess who is exotic.

Hint: the answer is not one woman in a room with 20 exotic women. So using exotic to define someone who looks like they're from another country than you is still racist.

...Izzy is a Rivaini in Ferelden/Free Marches.  Or wait, is this discussion not about dragon Age anymore and just about a quest to change a major media marketing trend frpm a single video game company's subforum about a specific game?

[Thiefy]

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
3.) Using the word "exotic" to describe a WoC and/or her skin color is racist and fetishizing. Don't do it. Thank-you.

exotic  (ɪɡzɒtɪk)  — adj
1.originating in a foreign country, esp one in the tropics; not native: an exotic plant
2.having a strange or bizarre allure, beauty, or quality
Yup sure is racist, but enough about the exotic isabela's exotically exotic skintone i got to get back to my awesome life 

1. Dehumanizing
2. Fetishisizing

...You were saying?

Ah yes i forgot how being foreign was dehumanizing, or how being attractive was a fetish

you've clearly never been otherized, so kindly educate yourself before thinking you can talk for people who live through it.

please and thank you. 

and because i'm so nice here's a head start.

[Dio Demon]

Okay why are we segregating races and genders into different categories? It's stupid pointless someone's going to get their feelings hurt and mods are going to come down faster then Sten on a fat kids cookie.

We are all human that's all that should matter, it doesn't matter if we're black, white, asian, hispanic, male or female. We're not going to get anywhere in life by picking apart aesthetic differences.

Dear god the 'racism' card has been played. This plane is heading for the orphanage full of orphans and puppies. OH THE HUMANITY!

Modifié par Crazy Eyed One, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:54 .

[shit's fucked cunts]

Sabariel wrote...

Perhaps you need eyeglasses or a jaunty monocle, my friend, because I seem to recall myself saying that BioWare continues to showcase a Generic White Male, and not that all white people are generic

So you'd be happy with a less generic white male? Maybe one with long purple hair? Is it the genericism part you're fighting against? Or the white male part?

[killswitch423]

I'm also just saying this to piont out how I've felt in reaction to some of the things posted here, as a white male, I apparently am inherently privileged despite anything I dealt with growing up where I am so... some of the wording does seem a little counterintuitive to your goal.

Edit:  Unless your goal is to assume myself and other white males have never had to deal with any adversity in our lives.  Then I guess some have succeeded here (see above).

Modifié par N7_killswitch, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:55 .

[Thiefy]

N7_killswitch wrote...

I'm also just saying this to piont out how I've felt in reaction to some of the things posted here, as a white male, I apparently am inherently privileged despite anything I dealt with growing up where I am so... some of the wording does seem a little counterintuitive to your goal.

 
that's because you are. deal with it.
better yet, recognize it, own it and seek to unpack your guilt.

[Ecmoose]

N7_killswitch wrote...

...Izzy is a Rivaini in Ferelden/Free Marches.  Or wait, is this discussion not about dragon Age anymore and just about a quest to change a major media marketing trend frpm a single video game company's subforum about a specific game?

She was white washed but still looked "exotic" enough for people comfortable with the change to argue that it was "okay" and not at all something sinister, because it didn't make them uncomfortable.

Whereas the people who share similarly "exotic" traits with Izzy are left feeling that someone they could relate to was lightened for mass media, thus cheapening their representation on Dragon Age, which is a legitimate claim.

[killswitch423]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

N7_killswitch wrote...

I'm also just saying this to piont out how I've felt in reaction to some of the things posted here, as a white male, I apparently am inherently privileged despite anything I dealt with growing up where I am so... some of the wording does seem a little counterintuitive to your goal.

 
that's because you are. deal with it.
better yet, recognize it, own it and seek to unpack your guilt.

So I should feel guilty for being born white?  The hell?

There are other types of adversity that people have to deal with in the world.  I grew up as a minority in my town/neighborhood/school despite being white, if you really want to go there.

Edit:   On Izzy, I'm not really trying to argue anything.  Just had a misunderstanding on what the actual argument was.  She still looked darker-skinned to me in that trailer, but that's just my opinion in an argument that has nothing to do with me.

Modifié par N7_killswitch, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:59 .

[Sabariel]

N7_killswitch wrote...

I'm also just saying this to piont out how I've felt in reaction to some of the things posted here, as a white male, I apparently am inherently privileged despite anything I dealt with growing up where I am so... some of the wording does seem a little counterintuitive to your goal.

Edit:  Unless your goal is to assume myself and other white males have never had to deal with any adversity in our lives.  Then I guess some have succeeded here (see above).

The fact that you've dealt with adversity in your life does not mean you understand systematic oppression/erasure/underrepresentation/etc.

Modifié par Sabariel, 09 septembre 2013 - 06:04 .

[d-boy15]

seriously, what is WoCs that you guys talking about?

Modifié par d-boy15, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:59 .

[Hi my name is Ryan]

Yep, I'm on Tumblr.

The fact that you've dealt with adversity in your life doesn't not mean
you understand systematic oppression/erasure/unrepresentation/etc.

Yeah ****lord, you need a degree in Wimmin's Studies to truly understand the literal oppression strong WOC have to go through on a daily basis.

Modifié par Hi my name is Ryan, 09 septembre 2013 - 06:01 .