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Why doesn't Cassandra Pentaghast lead the Inquisition?


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#76
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Taleroth wrote...

Warden Inquisitor wrote...


You lowborn dirty little peasant.


When insulting the King of Ferelden, you might want to use terms that are synonymous with the title.

You mean prince consort, right?

Royal concubine getting delusions of grandeur.


Anyone watch House of Cards?

The character Frank has an excellent quote that I think applies here. I may not have it exact, but it was something like, "Rubbing shoulders with power sometimes give people the delusion that they wield it."

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Because you survived Helgen and have more experience with dragons than anyone! you are the main character and the main character plays second fiddle to no one!

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Nefla wrote...

Because you survived Helgen and have more experience with dragons than anyone! you are the main character and the main character plays second fiddle to no one!


Regardless of this story, that is simply not true.:mellow:

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esper wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Because you survived Helgen and have more experience with dragons than anyone! you are the main character and the main character plays second fiddle to no one!


Regardless of this story, that is simply not true.:mellow:


How so? It doesn't make sense in a choice based game to be following someone elses command.

Inquisitor: "Ok, I've decided we will save the town"
Cassandra: "Shut up lackey, we save the keep and the town burns down!"

This only makes sense with a game where you don't make choices but rather there are set events, reactions, and character. (like Tomb Raider for example)

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Silfren wrote...

First guess is that the new Inquisition comes into existence without Cassandra.  She's a Seeker.  From what I can tell, the Inquisition is a totally independent body that arises separately from Templars, Chantry officials, Seekers, and everyone else, so I assume that Cassandra doesn't head the Inquisition because she wasn't part of it to begin with.  

Supposedly the Inquisitor ends up being the sole survivor of something, right?  Presumably the people who formed the Inquisition were all slaughtered, so you the PC..well, you're it.  Somehow we end up running with Cassandra well after we've become the Big Shot.

Reconsidered, I stand by those reasons, but I think you yourself have managed to overlook your own point:  she's a member of the ruling family of Nevarra, and a Seeker of the Chantry.  She's not exactly neutral.  Even if she technically is as an individual, there's no getting around the political implications--she CAN'T be affiliated with the Inquisition, certainly not as its head.  The Inquisition, we're told, is a neutral, independent body not connected in any way with any rulers or Chantry officials, etc.  There's plenty of reason right there for why Cassandra's involvement with the Inquisition would be very, very unofficial. 


I think having a non-human protagonist as leader - especially a mage - is the big question here, given Andrastian society. I think you could be right about Cassandra offering her aid after the fact.

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Vit246 wrote...
I mean, she's a member of the ruling royal family of Nevarra, high ranking member of the Seekers, Hero of Orlais, Right Hand of the Divine.....

She's gotta have access to resources and influence and stuff like that.

Maybe she should be leading the Inquisition. Being our boss kinda.

What makes the Player so special?


This is the sort of question that would be addressed by, say, the story.

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More than likely, Cassandra is not a starting companion. The Inquisitor has already grown the movement considerably by the time she joins up, so s/he remains de facto leader.

That's my theory, anyway.

EDIT: DG ninja'd me.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 10 septembre 2013 - 05:36 .


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Nefla wrote...

esper wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Because you survived Helgen and have more experience with dragons than anyone! you are the main character and the main character plays second fiddle to no one!


Regardless of this story, that is simply not true.:mellow:


How so? It doesn't make sense in a choice based game to be following someone elses command.

Inquisitor: "Ok, I've decided we will save the town"
Cassandra: "Shut up lackey, we save the keep and the town burns down!"

This only makes sense with a game where you don't make choices but rather there are set events, reactions, and character. (like Tomb Raider for example)


First of you can play a game as second fiddle (I have, it was a good indie game), and you were not specifying genre but simply saying: Main character, not second fiddle, which is simply not true and I had to disagree on principle. (I studies narratives, I simply could not let that slide).


Now we know it won't happen in da:I and I am personally looking forward to forming and leading a group  for once (which is what they hint we will do here), but in your example the village would still get burnt, yes.  But Cassandra would notice that you disagreed and perhaps someone else overheard it and comes to you to help evacuate some of the citizien in secret. Cassandra's choice rings superior, you are still technically bound to follow her commands, but it would not invalidiate you of the choices, just make the consequences of them different than if you were in command.

Modifié par esper, 10 septembre 2013 - 05:36 .


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David Gaider wrote...

Vit246 wrote...
I mean, she's a member of the ruling royal family of Nevarra, high ranking member of the Seekers, Hero of Orlais, Right Hand of the Divine.....

She's gotta have access to resources and influence and stuff like that.

Maybe she should be leading the Inquisition. Being our boss kinda.

What makes the Player so special?


This is the sort of question that would be addressed by, say, the story.


Heresy!

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David Gaider wrote...

Vit246 wrote...
I mean, she's a member of the ruling royal family of Nevarra, high ranking member of the Seekers, Hero of Orlais, Right Hand of the Divine.....

She's gotta have access to resources and influence and stuff like that.

Maybe she should be leading the Inquisition. Being our boss kinda.

What makes the Player so special?


This is the sort of question that would be addressed by, say, the story.


Adn THAT, is my theory... that it will be explained through the story. ;)

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sandellniklas wrote...
Adn THAT, is my theory... that it will be explained through the story. ;)


It's a good theory. Very solid.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

First guess is that the new Inquisition comes into existence without Cassandra.  She's a Seeker.  From what I can tell, the Inquisition is a totally independent body that arises separately from Templars, Chantry officials, Seekers, and everyone else, so I assume that Cassandra doesn't head the Inquisition because she wasn't part of it to begin with.  

Supposedly the Inquisitor ends up being the sole survivor of something, right?  Presumably the people who formed the Inquisition were all slaughtered, so you the PC..well, you're it.  Somehow we end up running with Cassandra well after we've become the Big Shot.

Reconsidered, I stand by those reasons, but I think you yourself have managed to overlook your own point:  she's a member of the ruling family of Nevarra, and a Seeker of the Chantry.  She's not exactly neutral.  Even if she technically is as an individual, there's no getting around the political implications--she CAN'T be affiliated with the Inquisition, certainly not as its head.  The Inquisition, we're told, is a neutral, independent body not connected in any way with any rulers or Chantry officials, etc.  There's plenty of reason right there for why Cassandra's involvement with the Inquisition would be very, very unofficial. 


I think having a non-human protagonist as leader - especially a mage - is the big question here, given Andrastian society. I think you could be right about Cassandra offering her aid after the fact.


Let add in the fact that while Cassandra is heavily featured now, it could be because she, Varric and Vivienne is the 'example' party.

Isabella was heavily featured in the markething for da2, but she was entirely optional. Since Varric still calls her seeker, it is entirely possible that Cassandra (and perhaps some seekers) join up a little later when your group have gained some notority/fame. It is of course also possible that she helps form the Inqusition, but right now we simply don't know.

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Nobody wants to play as her.

I would have no problem playing as her. I expect I would even enjoy it.

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esper wrote...

Let add in the fact that while Cassandra is heavily featured now, it could be because she, Varric and Vivienne is the 'example' party.

Isabella was heavily featured in the markething for da2, but she was entirely optional. Since Varric still calls her seeker, it is entirely possible that Cassandra (and perhaps some seekers) join up a little later when your group have gained some notority/fame. It is of course also possible that she helps form the Inqusition, but right now we simply don't know. 


That's certainly possible. The Seekers could be optional allies.

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Former_Fiend wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Technically Alistair should have been the leader too, but they needed someone else to do the job for him too. ;)


Well, to be fair, besides the fact that it was kind of the point of Alistair's character development that he was kind of spineless at first, in that case we're talking about a matter of six months seniority.

Originally, Alistar was older, more confident, and a veteran Templar. They changed him up for exactly this reason.

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Slightly OT, but it occurs to me that each main Dragon Age title has had a companion of royal blood. I wonder if they will keep up the trend in future DAs? Lol.

As for why she isn't the leader, I figure it has something to do with how the Inquisitor was at the scene of the 'crime'. Although I don't doubt that she will have sufficient input, maybe even be second in command?

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Who was the companion of royal blood in DA II?

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Sebastian, no?

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Oh, that guy. Thank you for reminding me.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Who was the companion of royal blood in DA II?


sebastian

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Golden-Rose wrote...

Slightly OT, but it occurs to me that each main Dragon Age title has had a companion of royal blood.

Also a fade possessed companion. Wynne, Kristoff/Justice, Anders/Justice

Maybe they should just combine and the two and make Cassandra possessed.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

esper wrote...

Let add in the fact that while Cassandra is heavily featured now, it could be because she, Varric and Vivienne is the 'example' party.

Isabella was heavily featured in the markething for da2, but she was entirely optional. Since Varric still calls her seeker, it is entirely possible that Cassandra (and perhaps some seekers) join up a little later when your group have gained some notority/fame. It is of course also possible that she helps form the Inqusition, but right now we simply don't know. 


That's certainly possible. The Seekers could be optional allies.


I personally myself really hope that all political involved companions are the optional ones. But I am not entirely sure it is realistic to hope that.

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nevermind.

Modifié par Vit246, 11 septembre 2013 - 12:01 .


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Former_Fiend wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Filament wrote...

Then we wouldn't be able to romance Cassandra. Well, probably.

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Masturbation romance scene? 


Right hand of the divine, indeed.

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David Gaider wrote...

sandellniklas wrote...
Adn THAT, is my theory... that it will be explained through the story. ;)


It's a good theory. Very solid.


what else are we supposed to do with this year wait but i try to guess every aspect of the game:wizard: