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[Nyxanna]

Since Alistair's mother is a elven mage, do you think that he has always been a mage but didn't tell anyone?
He joined the chantry at a young age and learned that being a mage is a curse so it's likely he didn't tell anyone and continued to become a templar instead?
Maybe in Inquisition it turns out that he has been a mage? 

[Ferretinabun]

*PLOT TWIST DANCE*

[Nyxanna]

Alistair is a Templar and Inquisition is all about templars and mages. I think they might make Alistair this key figure who has been on both sides.

[Ferretinabun]

Except if he'd dead, you mean? 

I'm not holding out too many hopes for a DA:I Alistair plot. Maybe a reference or two: a cameo at a push.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 09 septembre 2013 - 12:37 .

[Forst1999]

Alistair doesn't seem like the type that can keep such a secret.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think an apostate in the Chantry's care would have been noticed. Mages apparently have real trouble hiding it unless trained to.

[Corker]

...and now I want an Origins AU with mage!Alistair, templar!Leliana, rogue!Morrigan, and so on. Ranger!Sten (a scout for the Beresaad), apostate!Zevran (still worked for the Crows), warrior!Wynne and... no, leave Oghren as he is. golem!Shale is still a golem.

[Nyxanna]

Forst1999 wrote...

Alistair doesn't seem like the type that can keep such a secret.

Well are you sure? Considering that he has been watching templars since he a young age and saw firsthand what they do with apostates and how little freedom mages have he probably learned to make sure not to tell anyone or to even use it.

And to the other guy who said that he would be noticed. I guess it's true that they can detect mages but maybe they can't do that if the mage has never used his powers? Maybe Alistair simply never used them, ever.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Nyxanna wrote...

And to the other guy who said that he would be noticed. I guess it's true that they can detect mages but maybe they can't do that if the mage has never used his powers? Maybe Alistair simply never used them, ever.

Nigh impossible. Even before Wynne knew she was a mage, she accidentally used an attack spell on a bully as a child. Alistair was not in Templar custody at the age that that would have been most likely to have happened, but he was in Eamon's and Eamon would never hide such a thing. He wouldn't do so for his own son, why would he do so for Alistair? Even without that, Isolde would have ratted. She hides her own beloved son; she would not have hidden the bastard she believed (however wrongly) to be her beloved son's competition for her husband's love.

Edit: For that matter, he was hated by apparently just about everyone and therefore almost certainly bullied at a monestary he'd been at since he was ten. If he had even the slightest lack of control, he'd end up accidentally casting at one of the bullies that one can reasonably assume he'd be dealing with. There's no way someone wouldn't guess what happened, no matter how stupid the actual bullies were.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 10 septembre 2013 - 12:11 .

[thats1evildude]

In Asunder, they state that even without training or use, a mage's powers will inevitably manifest themselves in some way, along with madness.The principle is called "arcanist derangement."

Modifié par thats1evildude, 10 septembre 2013 - 05:48 .

[caradoc2000]

Nyxanna wrote...

Since Alistair's mother is a elven mage

Pure speculation.

[Nyxanna]

It's not speculation at all.

Fiona gave the child to whoever and they didn't want anyone to find out that it was their son, especially not with an elf. Alistair's fake mother was really pregnant. She died, along with the baby that she was supposed to have, so they told everyone that he was the baby and the mother died. Goldanna says that she saw Maric with her mother because one evening Maric asked her to take care of Alistair for him but he couldn't guess that she would die along with her own child so Arl Eamon, who cares a lot about royal blood and pride decided to lie and told everyone that the woman who had died is Alistair's mother. He wouldn't want everyone to know that Maric loved an elf more than a human.

Makes sense to me, no? More than Maric bedding a completely random woman..

[BevH]

Nyxanna wrote...

It's not speculation at all.

Fiona gave the child to whoever and they didn't want anyone to find out that it was their son, especially not with an elf. Alistair's fake mother was really pregnant. She died, along with the baby that she was supposed to have, so they told everyone that he was the baby and the mother died. Goldanna says that she saw Maric with her mother because one evening Maric asked her to take care of Alistair for him but he couldn't guess that she would die along with her own child so Arl Eamon, who cares a lot about royal blood and pride decided to lie and told everyone that the woman who had died is Alistair's mother. He wouldn't want everyone to know that Maric loved an elf more than a human.

Makes sense to me, no? More than Maric bedding a completely random woman..

But, then, that's exactly what Maric did, if you truly believe Fiona is Alistair's mother.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Nyxanna wrote...

It's not speculation at all.

Fiona gave the child to whoever and they didn't want anyone to find out that it was their son, especially not with an elf. Alistair's fake mother was really pregnant. She died, along with the baby that she was supposed to have, so they told everyone that he was the baby and the mother died. Goldanna says that she saw Maric with her mother because one evening Maric asked her to take care of Alistair for him but he couldn't guess that she would die along with her own child so Arl Eamon, who cares a lot about royal blood and pride decided to lie and told everyone that the woman who had died is Alistair's mother. He wouldn't want everyone to know that Maric loved an elf more than a human.

Makes sense to me, no? More than Maric bedding a completely random woman..

Doing a completely random woman makes more sense than you think it does, if we're talking about how certain people act. On the other hand, I think Fiona really was Alistair's mother; the story makes a slightly more sense than there being two children, one of whose mothers died in childbirth, and Maric seeking a different woman to pose as the other child's mother. Still, I don't think Maric would have dealt directly with her if she was meant to raise Alistair; he would have given him to a go-between, and the go-between would give her the child and not tell her who the father was. Maric dealing with this woman only makes sense if he really did bed her.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 11 septembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[DeathScepter]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Nyxanna wrote...

It's not speculation at all.

Fiona gave the child to whoever and they didn't want anyone to find out that it was their son, especially not with an elf. Alistair's fake mother was really pregnant. She died, along with the baby that she was supposed to have, so they told everyone that he was the baby and the mother died. Goldanna says that she saw Maric with her mother because one evening Maric asked her to take care of Alistair for him but he couldn't guess that she would die along with her own child so Arl Eamon, who cares a lot about royal blood and pride decided to lie and told everyone that the woman who had died is Alistair's mother. He wouldn't want everyone to know that Maric loved an elf more than a human.

Makes sense to me, no? More than Maric bedding a completely random woman..

Doing a completely random woman makes more sense than you think it does, if we're talking about how certain people act. On the other hand, I think Fiona really was Alistair's mother; the story makes a slightly more sense than there being two children, one of whose mothers died in childbirth, and Maric seeking a different woman to pose as the other child's mother. Still, I don't think Maric would have dealt directly with her if she was meant to raise Alistair; he would have given him to a go-between, and the go-between would give her the child and not tell her who the father was. Maric dealing with this woman only makes sense if he really did bed her.

lets face it, Maric is a womanizer. So It will not be out of character for Him to bed a random one in Redcliffe.

[thats1evildude]

Oh geez, three lovers over the course of, like, two decades hardly makes you a womanizer. Not when your first lover is a spy sent to seduce you, you're in an arranged marriage with the second and then you leave happy Fade fantasy land to save the third.

James Bond is a womanizer. Conan the Barbarian is a womanizer. Maric just has above average luck with elven women.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 septembre 2013 - 05:08 .

[DeathScepter]

does Fiona needs to be Alistar's mom? Also even if she is not, it doesn't take away from her or him. even if she is his mother, it doesn't add to her or him.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

DeathScepter wrote...

does Fiona needs to be Alistar's mom? Also even if she is not, it doesn't take away from her or him. even if she is his mother, it doesn't add to her or him.

She doesn't strictly need to be. On the other hand, if he's not who is?

[DeathScepter]

a potential new character? Also if so, this new potential character shall not be an asspull. IF an asspull either way, Fans might Nerd Rage.

No matter what, I do want a clear answer within the game storyline either way without making truly stupid. Side note: I do consider DA2 to be better than ME3. Both of them has some good within them regardless how bad they are.

[Lord Raijin]

Alistair has no characteristic whatsoever of having any elven feature to his face. He looks 100% human to me.

[DeathScepter]

Lord Raijin, i do agree with you, Unless if there is a canon source that Fiona is Alistar's mother. I am hesitant to believe the connection between Fiona and Alistar.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Alistair has no characteristic whatsoever of having any elven feature to his face. He looks 100% human to me.

Isn't that the way elf on human works? I can see an argument that Fiona being his mother raises more questions than the original story, but I don't think this is one of them.

[Corker]

Slim Couldry and Feynriel (DA2) are also elf-blooded. Slim looks utterly non-elven, while Feynriel has a certain elfiness. Even granting that all that is partly due to the elven redesign and new graphics engine, it would make sense that people can be different.

I liked it better when Maric was a charismatic philanderer; it nicely gritted up the usual heroic king-figure. When he got his own novel, I suppose that was off the table - too unlikeable.

/also not a fan of the 'blood of kings' nonsense in the comics
// seriously, why couldn't Calenhad just stay the third son of a failed merchant who happened to be an exceptional individual?
/// To hell with Isildur's heir. Let's have more on the Bagginses and Gamgees of the worlds.

[mousestalker]

I'm not much fond of the hero born coated with special sauce and having the birthmark of King Awesome.

The default setting of Awakening is actually kinda fun. You're the person sent to re-start the Ferelden Grey Wardens and everything is in a shambles when you get there.

Modifié par mousestalker, 28 septembre 2013 - 01:09 .

[DeathScepter]

is it that important to have Fiona to be Alistar"s mother?