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Well Alistairs mother wasnt just a Elf Mage, she was a City Elf Mage and Grey Warden who was deeply infected by the darkspawn taint.
Also several times in the lore it talks about any pairing between human/elf always results in human children.

Duncan knew the truth since he was freaking there for all the events that happend around his birth. (due to his heritage Alistair might never experince The Calling)


Side Note: Due to his heritage from being born of a taint immune magical mother, and the blood of the legendary heros of ferelden. If your a female Warden and Alistair does the Dark Ritual to conceive a child that would absorb the soul of the Archdemon some even more intresting what if scenarios open up due to this heritage. 

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So he had sex with morrigan for nothing? great....

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without speculation, does anyone have proof that Fiona is Alistar's mother?

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DeathScepter wrote...

without speculation, does anyone have proof that Fiona is Alistar's mother?

No. Even Gaider himself has given no definitive answer. Wonders of Thedas has given in the timeline that Alistair was born the same year the Wardens were allowed back into Ferelden. (This was given as a correction in a "blog" by Brother Genitivi. In the book, it actually states the Wardens were allowed back after Alistair was born.)

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DeathScepter wrote...

without speculation, does anyone have proof that Fiona is Alistar's mother?


Its pretty heavily implied, then again Fiona and Marics child could be a unintroduced character and he had 3 Sons not just Alistair and Cailen.

Of course im sure it would have been ok to accept Alistair as his official son and tell everyone he was born from a elven mage grey warden mother who was a former slave girl from orlais. That wouldnt have caused any problems.



Gaider kinda messed up the writeing though, Alistair is older then Cailen but Fionas child was born after Cailens. Cailen was 9 years old in the Calling when Fiona had her child yet dialog in game states that Alistair is older and that cailen is about 27-29 while anora is  31 in the game.
Keep in mind we also have things like Ohgren being married with a young child 5 months after the events of Origins in Awakening.

I dont think they paid alot of attention to characters ages, and timelines and failed some math by making diractly contradictory staments (Gaider made a time line where Cailen is 3 years old when his mother died even though all the material and his own writing states he was 9 years old when it happened)


Now onto a intresting Theory....many belive Anders to be Fiona and Marics son did you know?


Fionas final part in The Calling were "Fiona's journey had been to reveal to Maric that she had his child, and to exact a promise from Maric that their son would be told his mother was a human and had died, while Duncan promised to watch over him."

Kinda funny to think about Fiona setoff the Mage/Templar war, and how that related to Anders personality and actions in the games.

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Last Darkness wrote...


Now onto a intresting Theory....many belive Anders to be Fiona and Marics son did you know?


Fionas final part in The Calling were "Fiona's journey had been to reveal to Maric that she had his child, and to exact a promise from Maric that their son would be told his mother was a human and had died, while Duncan promised to watch over him."

Kinda funny to think about Fiona setoff the Mage/Templar war, and how that related to Anders personality and actions in the games.


Except that were that the case, Duncan failed reasonably epically where Anders was concerned.

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Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...


Now onto a intresting Theory....many belive Anders to be Fiona and Marics son did you know?


Fionas final part in The Calling were "Fiona's journey had been to reveal to Maric that she had his child, and to exact a promise from Maric that their son would be told his mother was a human and had died, while Duncan promised to watch over him."

Kinda funny to think about Fiona setoff the Mage/Templar war, and how that related to Anders personality and actions in the games.


Except that were that the case, Duncan failed reasonably epically where Anders was concerned.

Not to mention that would've been an epically stupid journey. Fiona travels from Weishaupt to Ferelden and then Maric sends Anders to the Anderfels.Image IPB

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David Gaider said here that Anders is too old to be Duncan's son (by the mage Duncan sleeps with at the Circle Tower). Logic dictates that he's also too old to be the child Fiona gives birth to.

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theskymoves wrote...

David Gaider said here that Anders is too old to be Duncan's son (by the mage Duncan sleeps with at the Circle Tower). Logic dictates that he's also too old to be the child Fiona gives birth to.


Ive found Gaider to be unreliable as strange as it seems. His version of Dragon Age and Thedas is pretty differant then whats presented in the games, novels and comics. It really comes off that he wrote the content all in the wroung order and makes changes to make certain things fit.
Im sure its hard enough to take into consideration the players choices when building future content (hence the Default Scenario). In reading his books its like sometimes a differant author writes a few chapters here and there.
My own personal pet peeve with him is the over use of certain buzzwords (Non-plused dosnt need to be used in everyones exposition)

Maybe I am wroung and/or we are all looking at this the wrong way. Maybe its a player preference if Alistair is Fionas son or not. Alistair is a Warden and for some a best friend or lover. 
We each have our own choice to make on the issue and if later it comes out as such (Maybe the 4th novel) we will see.

I like to belive he is.

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Last Darkness wrote...

It really comes off that he wrote the content all in the wroung order and makes changes to make certain things fit.


That's my theory.  As a tabletop game master, the Fiona thing really feels like a retcon to me.

Alistair's history in DAO is consistent and makes sense.  He knows about Goldanna; Goldanna knows about him.  Both Alistair and Loghain say that he was sent away so as not to embarrass Queen Rowan.  Having the king as your secret dad is reveal enough - having your mom be a Grey Warden elven mage would just be over the top and beside the point of Origins.

But Maric comes off as a bit of a dink.  He's running around on his wife, after all, and doesn't seem to take much interest in what happens to his son.  And for Origins, that's fine. Maric's dead, after all - nothing more than a codex entry.  Even Alistair clearly considers Arl Eamon and Duncan to be more fatherly than Maric.  It doesn't matter if he's not sympathetic.

Then Maric became the protagonist of a couple of books, and suddenly having him be an adulterous, careless guy was a real liability.  So Katriel comes before Rowan, and Fiona after, and everything during their marriage is offscreen.  Fiona's Baby is given to a responsible caretaker (Duncan) with a promise to look after him always, instead of shunted off to the Guerrins and ignored.  And by maintaining radio silence on whether or not Fiona's Baby is Alistair, it doesn't overtly contradict the events of DAO, even as it suggests that everyone in the game had the story wrong.  (Because of an involved plot that considered all the angles, even down to bribing the spawn of a dead scullery maid just to make sure that she heard the proper story, too.)

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Wait, I'm confused. When do you find out who Alistair's mother is? DA2? Cause, if it's mentioned in DA:O then I am seriously missing something...

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Gamer072196 wrote...

When do you find out who Alistair's mother is?

You dont. You only meet his supposed half-sister.

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Ah, thanks... but, where are people getting the idea that Alistair's mother is an Elf? And a Elven Mage at that.

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Gamer072196 wrote...

Ah, thanks... but, where are people getting the idea that Alistair's mother is an Elf? And a Elven Mage at that.


One of the books heavily implies it.

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Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

Ah, thanks... but, where are people getting the idea that Alistair's mother is an Elf? And a Elven Mage at that.


One of the books heavily implies it.

I guess I should start looking for the books then.  Now, where to get them...

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Gamer072196 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

Ah, thanks... but, where are people getting the idea that Alistair's mother is an Elf? And a Elven Mage at that.


One of the books heavily implies it.

I guess I should start looking for the books then.  Now, where to get them...

Barnes & Noble usually has one or two copies of them, if you have one close. If not, then you can order them online.

And it's not really implied... people have just assumed it's so.