Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Silfren wrote...
You just got me wondering if there would ever be a way for non-mages to somehow harness the power of magic using blood. Only mages have mana, but everyone has their own blood supply, after all. Hmm.
The specialisations for Reaver and Assassin both strongly imply that some of their abilities are precisely that: blood 'magic' for mundanes.
Br3ad wrote...
Don't forget some Reavers for Warriors.The Hierophant wrote...
True.dragonflight288 wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
I thought the assassin's talents were only highly stylized?
The rogue is probably the one one of the classes that doesn't have any sort of deal with a spirit or demon at all. Warriors have Spirit Warriors, Mages have Spirit Healers and Blood magic, and Rogues.....well they train extensively to be efficient killing machines.
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
The specialisations for Reaver and Assassin both strongly imply that some of their abilities are precisely that: blood 'magic' for mundanes.
I understand the desire to see the skill tree expanded, but what if we don't want to do any of what you suggest? Personally, I'd like to see Blood Magic spells be as powerful as they're purported to be. At the very least, I'd like to see a boost in Spellpower... A truly noticeable boost. I want to see specializations be just that. I'm sure there are more than a few out there who'd like to play as Blood Mages that defy the perceived convention and choose not to desecrate the dead nor to consort with demons.The Sin wrote...
Not entirely.
Blood magic specific spells should be significantly powerful.
However, just using basic blood magic / using blood to power typical spells should make no different in damage.
That would be fair I think.
As for blood magic specific spells, they should be expanded. We should be able to raise the dead, summon demons and create abominations like they do in cutscenes with blood magic.
GabrielXL wrote...
I understand the desire to see the skill tree expanded, but what if we don't want to do any of what you suggest? Personally, I'd like to see Blood Magic spells be as powerful as they're purported to be. At the very least, I'd like to see a boost in Spellpower... A truly noticeable boost. I want to see specializations be just that. I'm sure there are more than a few out there who'd like to play as Blood Mages that defy the perceived convention and choose not to desecrate the dead nor to consort with demons.The Sin wrote...
Not entirely.
Blood magic specific spells should be significantly powerful.
However, just using basic blood magic / using blood to power typical spells should make no different in damage.
That would be fair I think.
As for blood magic specific spells, they should be expanded. We should be able to raise the dead, summon demons and create abominations like they do in cutscenes with blood magic.
*nods* Taken in the context of allowing the player greater freedom, I see your point and it's well taken. I suppose the point I was trying to make has a lot to do with my own perception of the school as well as the fact that one doesn't have to consort with demons in order to learn and/or use blood magic. I suppose if there were different paths within the specialization, that might provide room for Blood Mages on all sides of the table. Say, Necromancer, Summoner and Enchanter.The Sin wrote...
GabrielXL wrote...
I understand the desire to see the skill tree expanded, but what if we don't want to do any of what you suggest? Personally, I'd like to see Blood Magic spells be as powerful as they're purported to be. At the very least, I'd like to see a boost in Spellpower... A truly noticeable boost. I want to see specializations be just that. I'm sure there are more than a few out there who'd like to play as Blood Mages that defy the perceived convention and choose not to desecrate the dead nor to consort with demons.The Sin wrote...
Not entirely.
Blood magic specific spells should be significantly powerful.
However, just using basic blood magic / using blood to power typical spells should make no different in damage.
That would be fair I think.
As for blood magic specific spells, they should be expanded. We should be able to raise the dead, summon demons and create abominations like they do in cutscenes with blood magic.
If it just gives massive spellpower boost ...It is nothing more than an enchanment or a rune or a good apparel.
Blood magic fundamentally is using blood to cast spells. It is an alternative way to cast spells. So when it comes to using blood to cast normal spells, it should not give any massive spell damage difference. There should be a increase in damage when casting normal spells using blood but not massive increments.
However, blood magic specific spells...spells which involve demon summoning, undead summoning, mind control, invisibility (Asunder) should be part of blood magic.
Also I would like to see specializations with non-combat usefulness. Take Blood Magic for instance. An accomplished blood mage can simply bend someone to their will which would negate the need to invest points in some form of speechcraft or persuasion...As an Inquisitor, I am pretty sure you would be forced to confront and try hard to convince some people..Blood Magic can be useful there.
If someone wants to be an unconventional Blood Mage, sure...Just do not invest / learn the spells which they feel is abhorrent.
Cheers.
Modifié par GabrielXL, 25 octobre 2013 - 09:07 .
GabrielXL wrote...
*nods* Taken in the context of allowing the player greater freedom, I see your point and it's well taken. I suppose the point I was trying to make has a lot to do with my own perception of the school as well as the fact that one doesn't have to consort with demons in order to learn and/or use blood magic. I suppose if there were different paths within the specialization, that might provide room for Blood Mages on all sides of the table. Say, Necromancer, Summoner and Enchanter.The Sin wrote...
GabrielXL wrote...
I understand the desire to see the skill tree expanded, but what if we don't want to do any of what you suggest? Personally, I'd like to see Blood Magic spells be as powerful as they're purported to be. At the very least, I'd like to see a boost in Spellpower... A truly noticeable boost. I want to see specializations be just that. I'm sure there are more than a few out there who'd like to play as Blood Mages that defy the perceived convention and choose not to desecrate the dead nor to consort with demons.The Sin wrote...
Not entirely.
Blood magic specific spells should be significantly powerful.
However, just using basic blood magic / using blood to power typical spells should make no different in damage.
That would be fair I think.
As for blood magic specific spells, they should be expanded. We should be able to raise the dead, summon demons and create abominations like they do in cutscenes with blood magic.
If it just gives massive spellpower boost ...It is nothing more than an enchanment or a rune or a good apparel.
Blood magic fundamentally is using blood to cast spells. It is an alternative way to cast spells. So when it comes to using blood to cast normal spells, it should not give any massive spell damage difference. There should be a increase in damage when casting normal spells using blood but not massive increments.
However, blood magic specific spells...spells which involve demon summoning, undead summoning, mind control, invisibility (Asunder) should be part of blood magic.
Also I would like to see specializations with non-combat usefulness. Take Blood Magic for instance. An accomplished blood mage can simply bend someone to their will which would negate the need to invest points in some form of speechcraft or persuasion...As an Inquisitor, I am pretty sure you would be forced to confront and try hard to convince some people..Blood Magic can be useful there.
If someone wants to be an unconventional Blood Mage, sure...Just do not invest / learn the spells which they feel is abhorrent.
Cheers.
Necromancers = Spirits, Wraiths, Undead
Summoners = Demons, Shades and Abominations
Enchanters = Mind Control, Spellpower, Restoration, etc...
These are just ideas off the top of my head, but I think you get what I mean. In any event, I'm really looking forward to seeing what BioWare does with this. The one problem I see is that if they give the player the option to summon demons and the like, what does that do in the context of the story? It would be hard to justify an Inquisitor who summons demons, in a world where demons are running amok. There's something wrong with that picture.
No it isn't. That's just one way to gain Reaver powers. Read how I said some Reavers and read the class description.dragonflight288 wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Don't forget some Reavers for Warriors.The Hierophant wrote...
True.dragonflight288 wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
I thought the assassin's talents were only highly stylized?
The rogue is probably the one one of the classes that doesn't have any sort of deal with a spirit or demon at all. Warriors have Spirit Warriors, Mages have Spirit Healers and Blood magic, and Rogues.....well they train extensively to be efficient killing machines.
Reaver isn't really making a deal with a spirit or a demon. It's closer to a blood magic ritual using dragon's blood.
I'm fairly certain that a Blood Mage Inquisitor will evoke strong reactions from some. I never liked Cassandra anyway, so convincing her... Well... Meh.The Sin wrote...
GabrielXL wrote...
*nods* Taken in the context of allowing the player greater freedom, I see your point and it's well taken. I suppose the point I was trying to make has a lot to do with my own perception of the school as well as the fact that one doesn't have to consort with demons in order to learn and/or use blood magic. I suppose if there were different paths within the specialization, that might provide room for Blood Mages on all sides of the table. Say, Necromancer, Summoner and Enchanter.The Sin wrote...
GabrielXL wrote...
I understand the desire to see the skill tree expanded, but what if we don't want to do any of what you suggest? Personally, I'd like to see Blood Magic spells be as powerful as they're purported to be. At the very least, I'd like to see a boost in Spellpower... A truly noticeable boost. I want to see specializations be just that. I'm sure there are more than a few out there who'd like to play as Blood Mages that defy the perceived convention and choose not to desecrate the dead nor to consort with demons.The Sin wrote...
Not entirely.
Blood magic specific spells should be significantly powerful.
However, just using basic blood magic / using blood to power typical spells should make no different in damage.
That would be fair I think.
As for blood magic specific spells, they should be expanded. We should be able to raise the dead, summon demons and create abominations like they do in cutscenes with blood magic.
If it just gives massive spellpower boost ...It is nothing more than an enchanment or a rune or a good apparel.
Blood magic fundamentally is using blood to cast spells. It is an alternative way to cast spells. So when it comes to using blood to cast normal spells, it should not give any massive spell damage difference. There should be a increase in damage when casting normal spells using blood but not massive increments.
However, blood magic specific spells...spells which involve demon summoning, undead summoning, mind control, invisibility (Asunder) should be part of blood magic.
Also I would like to see specializations with non-combat usefulness. Take Blood Magic for instance. An accomplished blood mage can simply bend someone to their will which would negate the need to invest points in some form of speechcraft or persuasion...As an Inquisitor, I am pretty sure you would be forced to confront and try hard to convince some people..Blood Magic can be useful there.
If someone wants to be an unconventional Blood Mage, sure...Just do not invest / learn the spells which they feel is abhorrent.
Cheers.
Necromancers = Spirits, Wraiths, Undead
Summoners = Demons, Shades and Abominations
Enchanters = Mind Control, Spellpower, Restoration, etc...
These are just ideas off the top of my head, but I think you get what I mean. In any event, I'm really looking forward to seeing what BioWare does with this. The one problem I see is that if they give the player the option to summon demons and the like, what does that do in the context of the story? It would be hard to justify an Inquisitor who summons demons, in a world where demons are running amok. There's something wrong with that picture.
Oh that. Well we always see blood mages summoning demons who then end up turning against their summoner, killing or possessing them. The same could happen here. Every demon / spirit / shade / corpse you summon or raise has a chance of turning against you or your allies. The more powerful the being you summon the higher chance it has of going against you but it will be powerful Investing points does reduce the chance of them turning against you. That would make summoning a lot more interesting.
Also, being a blood mage could affect your relationship with people around you & people you meet. I mean perhaps to people like Varric who has been around blood mages like Merrill will tolerate a blood mage Inquisitor as long as they are able to be in control. Conversely Cassandra being a Seeker and devout Andrastian might be very disapproving of the Inquisitor and they would have to persuade Cassandra otherwise. The same goes for Vivienne who is a Circle mage.
As for whether it is right for an Inquisitor who summons demons when demons are running amok...well...To the Inquisitor summoner, the demon is a tool to accomplish his mission as an Inquisitor. No different to a sharp blade coated with a deadly poison or a powerful staff or a bow or another spell. It just has a very high risk of going awry. That is how a blood mage Inquisitor would see themselves as, IMHO.
I don't like her because in everything I've seen of her, she seems to think every problem can be solved at the end of a blade. Considering her history, I understand her zeal, but I hardly think her every action is a product of her "faith in the Maker"... But that's another story. *Hahaha!*
Br3ad wrote...
No it isn't. That's just one way to gain Reaver powers. Read how I said some Reavers and read the class description.dragonflight288 wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Don't forget some Reavers for Warriors.The Hierophant wrote...
True.dragonflight288 wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
I thought the assassin's talents were only highly stylized?
The rogue is probably the one one of the classes that doesn't have any sort of deal with a spirit or demon at all. Warriors have Spirit Warriors, Mages have Spirit Healers and Blood magic, and Rogues.....well they train extensively to be efficient killing machines.
Reaver isn't really making a deal with a spirit or a demon. It's closer to a blood magic ritual using dragon's blood.
Mr. Homebody wrote...
I think Bioware should take into account the blood mage class only if such a choice will be reflected in the plot. Too often it happens that the game mechanics and rules of the represented world contradict each other. It was really weird to play as a blood mage in DA: O and DA 2. Officially, these are the individuals outlawed but no one cares if the protagonist uses forbidden magic openly.
In addition, the protagonist in DA:O/DA 2 can be a quasi blood mage at most. His abilities are completely at odds with those described in the stories. It' s like teleportation in DA 2. Officially teleportation is impossible but somehow enemy mages have found a way to overcome this limitation.
Blood mage class is a great idea but it requires more work than just a few new abilities.
*nods in agreement*Mr. Homebody wrote...
I think Bioware should take into account the blood mage class only if such a choice will be reflected in the plot. Too often it happens that the game mechanics and rules of the represented world contradict each other. It was really weird to play as a blood mage in DA: O and DA 2. Officially, these are the individuals outlawed but no one cares if the protagonist uses forbidden magic openly.
In addition, the protagonist in DA:O/DA 2 can be a quasi blood mage at most. His abilities are completely at odds with those described in the stories. It' s like teleportation in DA 2. Officially teleportation is impossible but somehow enemy mages have found a way to overcome this limitation.
Blood mage class is a great idea but it requires more work than just a few new abilities.
Vit246 wrote...
Blame the poorly thought-out gameplay. DA2 had cheating teleporting mages, backflipping templars, and enemies literally falling from the ceiling.
Vit246 wrote...
Blame the poorly thought-out gameplay. DA2 had cheating teleporting mages, backflipping templars, and enemies literally falling from the ceiling *and the sky*.
Vit246 wrote...
GabrielXL wrote...
Vit246 wrote...
Blame the poorly thought-out gameplay. DA2 had cheating teleporting mages, backflipping templars, and enemies literally *parachuting* from the ceiling *and the sky*.
FIXED! X^D *Hahaha!*
I suppose it's plausible for Raiders to have parachutes in Thedas. Maybe that's what they were going for.
LOLandStuff wrote...
You don't teleport. You just run very fast while invisible.
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