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[Mr.House]

Um why is Deus Ex Human Revolution on this list? It's a fricken rpg. Same with Metorid Prime it's a First Person Adventure, not a shooter.,

Typical IGN, can't even sort games properly.

Also CSS not even in the top20? hahahahahahahahahaha

Oh IGN, you never cease to make me laugh.

Modifié par Mr.House, 10 septembre 2013 - 12:43 .

[Mr.House]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I really don't care about top anything lists, at least in terms of values. I find them interesting because they introduce me to what others think.

And I don't play FPSes.

And I don't see why the OP is having such a hard time accepting that people don't agree with him/her without turning into a jerk and insulting them. This is where, if I wanted to troll, I would say "*sigh* that's an FPS player for you."

The issue is this, like normal IGN is putting games in a list where they simplt don't belong(and not because they are bad games, because they are not that type of game)

[Cyonan]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Combat Evolved as #1 or gtfo

Goldeneye should be number one. Or at least in the top 10. It started the FPS game type after all.

As awesome as Goldeneye was, and I would put it top 10, it mostly just showed consoles how to do FPS right.

PC had already gotten games like Doom, Quake, and Duke Nukem 3D by then =P

[Mr.House]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Combat Evolved as #1 or gtfo

Goldeneye should be number one. Or at least in the top 10. It started the FPS game type after all.

Uh nope

Goldeneye however was the one to hsow that consoles could produce a quality FPS, but to say it started it all or made it famous? Not in a long shot.

[RedArmyShogun]

It started them on Console, where the market has made the biggest impact.

Sure PC's have FPS, but by far in the general public it is the Console where the FPS has a home.

[Dominus]

Goldeneye should be number one. Or at least in the top 10. It started the FPS game type after all.

What do you mean? Goldeneye helped greatly popularize FPSes on the console format before all the halo stuff came in. It's generally considered that Wolfenstein 3D and Doom are the ones who birthed the first person shooter into being.

My personal choices for first person shooter top 10 would be the following:

Doom, Half-Life 2, System Shock 2, Thief: The Dark Project, Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, The Darkness, BioShock, Mirror's Edge...

And of course, Chex Quest.

And I don't play FPSes.

I Am Sad.

Modifié par DominusVita, 10 septembre 2013 - 12:54 .

[RedArmyShogun]

As I said look at the above.

Ask a person what a shooter is, any person on the street. Unless they arn't into games they will say

Call of Duty.

Ask them the System, and it will be a console. Alot of gamers that don't look into pc gaming likely don't even know it has shooters of note saddly.

Goldeneye was a precursor to the Shooters on the console, where it defactoly is the standard setter.

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 10 septembre 2013 - 12:55 .

[Mr.House]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The issue is this, like normal IGN is putting games in a list where they simplt don't belong(and not because they are bad games, because they are not that type of game)

Are they not First Person Shooters? Is the persepctive NOT first person? Is the core gameplay mechanic NOT shooting?

The core mechanic in HR is fact stealth, and the core mechanic in MP trilogy was exporing, hell you could not even aim in the MP1+2 ffs. They where First Person, that does not make it a FPS, it's a FPA. Also I've played HR many times and hardly ever used my gun.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Sites like IGN lost contact with gamers long ago. Instead they now have more contact with game companies. After all that makes sure that ads keep coming and they won't lose their scoops. Instead of doing anything that smells like journalism or informing gamers they are just an extension of marketing departments of these game companies. A very sad development that is going on for years now.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 10 septembre 2013 - 12:55 .

[Il Divo]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The issue is this, like normal IGN is putting games in a list where they simplt don't belong(and not because they are bad games, because they are not that type of game)

Are they not First Person Shooters? Is the persepctive NOT first person? Is the core gameplay mechanic NOT shooting?

I'd categorize Metroid Prime as an FPS, personally.

[Il Divo]

Mr.House wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The issue is this, like normal IGN is putting games in a list where they simplt don't belong(and not because they are bad games, because they are not that type of game)

Are they not First Person Shooters? Is the persepctive NOT first person? Is the core gameplay mechanic NOT shooting?

The core mechanic in HR is fact stealth, and the core mechanic in MP trilogy was exporing, hell you could not even aim in the MP1+2 ffs. They where First Person, that does not make it a FPS, it's a FPA. Also I've played HR many times and hardly ever used my gun.

The core mechanic in HR is stealth when the designers specifically advertise the player being able to engage the world however they choose? That's a pretty odd definition of core mechanic.

[Mr.House]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

As I said look at the above.

Ask a person what a shooter is, any person on the street. Unless they arn't into games they will say

Call of Duty.

Ask them the System, and it will be a console. Alot of gamers that don't look into pc gaming likely don't even know it has shooters of note saddly.

Goldeneye was a precursor to the Shooters on the console, where it defactoly is the standard setter.

Who am I aksing? The new generation of kids who love Call of Doody? Then ya of course they will say that, because they probaly don't even know what Doom and Wolfenstein is, does not change the fact those two games are the reason fps became popular.

[Mr.House]

Il Divo wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The issue is this, like normal IGN is putting games in a list where they simplt don't belong(and not because they are bad games, because they are not that type of game)

Are they not First Person Shooters? Is the persepctive NOT first person? Is the core gameplay mechanic NOT shooting?

The core mechanic in HR is fact stealth, and the core mechanic in MP trilogy was exporing, hell you could not even aim in the MP1+2 ffs. They where First Person, that does not make it a FPS, it's a FPA. Also I've played HR many times and hardly ever used my gun.

The core mechanic in HR is stealth when the designers specifically advertise the player being able to engage the world however they choose? That's a pretty odd definition of core mechanic.

Then why did I use stealth 99% of the time? Did I play the wong game? Is GTA,SR and MGS now third person shooters?

Modifié par Mr.House, 10 septembre 2013 - 01:00 .

[Il Divo]

Mr.House wrote...

Then why did I use stealth 99% of the time? Did I play th wong game?

Counter-argument:

Then why did I use a revolver with explosive rounds 99% of the time? Did I play the wrong game?

Deus Ex: HR demonstrates, quite simply, that a single game can fit into a variety of genres. Your argument to elevate the stealth mechanics to the forefront, above either hacking or direct combat, does not work. As Deus Ex can be completed entirely by riddling enemies with bullets, I think it's a fair contender for an fps (or tps I suppose, if you're always in cover).

[Mr.House]

So shooting in first person=FPS. Sounds legit.

[RedArmyShogun]

Mr.House wrote...

RedArmyShogun wrote...

As I said look at the above.

Ask a person what a shooter is, any person on the street. Unless they arn't into games they will say

Call of Duty.

Ask them the System, and it will be a console. Alot of gamers that don't look into pc gaming likely don't even know it has shooters of note saddly.

Goldeneye was a precursor to the Shooters on the console, where it defactoly is the standard setter.

Who am I aksing? The new generation of kids who love Call of Doody? Then ya of course they will say that, because they probaly don't even know what Doom and Wolfenstein is, does not change the fact those two games are the reason fps became popular.

On the PC.

The question is where do the most shooters sell? The Console Market. So if you look at who had the biggest impact Goldeneye is at the top. Maybe not number 1. But still in the top 10. You have to look at other factors that add up to best.

Say in WW2. The T-34 is widely seen as the best tank even though it had horrible radio's and vision (and a good number of them got blown up). The Panzer V Panther was overall a much better Tank, yet it wasn't built in enough numbers and was on the side that lost the war, Hence why on most lists it is seldom past the thrid place spot. 

Yes, doom, quake, Unreal, all the others were first.

Yes, they were fun. I played them in the computer lab.

However. between the controls, the looks, aiming, a whole myraid of things they ARE Subpar. Or more or less par for the course. Should they be in the top 10? Yes. Number one? Short of Doom not really.

As to those kids and teens that didn't play them. In fairness they are IGN's main audiance, and into the gaming of this Gen. If you want my real honest Opinion I won't be surprised if CODMW is number one given who it is. You have to keep the masses happy, unless you want your head on a pike. And that means voting with what they want. The smaller more passionate people don't matter at all in mass marketing. Am I saying I agree with that? Course not. But it is what it is.

I'm not sure why some of you seem to be getting your panties in a twist over this honestly.

 

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 10 septembre 2013 - 01:06 .

[Il Divo]

Mr.House wrote...

So shooting in first person=FPS. Sounds legit.

You learned something today. Congratulations.

[Ghost Lightning]

J. Reezy wrote...

RedArmyShogun wrote...

It started them on Console, where the market has made the biggest impact.

You didn't quote anyone but I'm assuming you're still talking about Goldeneye. It wasn't the first FPS on a console.

I think he's saying that it was one of the major contributors to the genre's current mainstream popularity.