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[Captain Obvious]

Holy ****, that ending was intense. Things are coming full circle. It seems Walt's going back to Albuquerque for revenge instead of some rescue mission to save Jesse.

Modifié par Cap. Obvious, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:19 .

[Il Divo]

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Holy ****, that ending was intense. Things are coming full circle. It seems Walt's going back to Albuquerque for revenge instead of some rescue mission to save Jesse.

Indeed. I think last episode eliminated any chance of this being a rescue mission. Still, I liked how the writers used Walt's start with Gray Matter to remind him of one of his underlying motivations in becoming a meth kingpin.

I'm absolutely excited for next Sunday and still have absolutely no idea how this is all going to come together.

[Isichar]

Poor Jesse, he seems to be getting it worse then anyone else.

[Nole]

The title of the last episode is Felina.

Fe Li Na
Iron Lithium Sodium
Blood Meth Tears

[Isichar]

WittingEight65 wrote...

The title of the last episode is Felina.

Fe Li Na
Iron Lithium Sodium
Blood Meth Tears

thats pretty awesome

[MarchWaltz]

Next sunday is going to be awesome.

I hope hope hope hope that Todd (my buddy calls him Meth Damon) gets killed by Jesse. And the whole crew as well.

I'm hoping Walt comes in guns glazing with his machine gun.

[TheChris92]

Unrelated to the latest episode, but I kinda liked the way that Walt had Mike's accomplishes murdered inside the prison. It sort of resembled the assassinations of all the Dons of the rival crime families in Godfather - Perhaps it was meant to allude back to when Walt said he was "no Vito Corleone". Just thought that it was a nice touch and pretty intense -- Looking forward to see the last episode.

Modifié par TheChris92, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:38 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

Il Divo wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Holy ****, that ending was intense. Things are coming full circle. It seems Walt's going back to Albuquerque for revenge instead of some rescue mission to save Jesse.

Indeed. I think last episode eliminated any chance of this being a rescue mission. Still, I liked how the writers used Walt's start with Gray Matter to remind him of one of his underlying motivations in becoming a meth kingpin.

I'm absolutely excited for next Sunday and still have absolutely no idea how this is all going to come together.

I'm wondering if he might even go after Gretchen and Elliot, though I suppose it's more likely that Jack and his gang are the targets. For that matter, given how angry he is in general, he might still be partially blaming Jesse for turning informant - even if he inadvertently saves Jesse in the course of taking out Jack's gang, I wonder if he'd let Jesse go at that point or try to kill him.

In any case, I'm hoping Jesse manages to extricate himself from this situation without Walter's help. He'd probably be most concerned for Brock right now if he does escape.

[Kalas747]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...


I'm wondering if he might even go after Gretchen and Elliot, though I suppose it's more likely that Jack and his gang are the targets. .

Would be hilarious if he went after those two, I dislike them only slightly less than Jack and co. 

[SilentStep79]

Isichar wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

The title of the last episode is Felina.

Fe Li Na
Iron Lithium Sodium
Blood Meth Tears

thats pretty awesome

WOW!

[Naughty Bear]

So the ending to Granite State is the final stage of Walters transformation into Heisenberg? The music was bloody ominous.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:11 .

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I don't know if Andrea's death or Jesse watching it was more tragic. Someone suggested that would make Jesse ally with Walt for revenge, but isn't it Walt's fault?

It's a really interesting study of cause and effect. Is the blame on Todd, who strangely enough was so adamant on not killing Skyler? But Todd and co. are just a mad dog, whom Walt let off the leash. (that actually made no sense in the dark knight harvey) He was even the one who let them know about her. But it wouldn't have gone that way if Jesse hadn't betrayed Walt, and it goes on and on until their first meeting.

I think this was the most Todd-episode ever. His being so sweet when it comes to Lydia is bordering on adorable. Is he really a sociopath or does he just have zero regard for human life? His refusal to kill Skyler, picking stuff off lydia's back and bringing Jesse ice cream are all equally WTF moments from the most interesting character on breaking bad.

[FlyingSquirrel]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

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I don't know if Andrea's death or Jesse watching it was more tragic. Someone suggested that would make Jesse ally with Walt for revenge, but isn't it Walt's fault?

To an extent, yes, since Walter was the one who originally brought Todd's uncle and his prison gang into this situation, alerted them to their location in the desert, and then told them where Jesse was hiding. It's pretty clear that Jesse is likely about to be tortured when Walter stands there and lets him be dragged away.

Jesse might still be more immediately angry with Todd, Jack, and the rest of the Aryan gang for the death of Andrea and the torture and imprisonment he's endured than he is with Walter for putting him in this situation. But I don't know that he'd just let Walter off the hook, even if Walter did help him escape. I think he'd still try to turn him in. 

I think this was the most Todd-episode ever. His being so sweet when it comes to Lydia is bordering on adorable. Is he really a sociopath or does he just have zero regard for human life? His refusal to kill Skyler, picking stuff off lydia's back and bringing Jesse ice cream are all equally WTF moments from the most interesting character on breaking bad.

I don't find him that interesting, but I do think he's probably a sociopath. It seems that he doesn't kill people when he sees a viable alternative, but at the same time he doesn't feel guilty when he does kill somebody.

[MarchWaltz]

I believe Todd IS a sociopath. He smiled a bit when he heard Jesse talking about how he killed the kid. He shot an innocent mother. I'm pretty sure he would rape Lydia to get what he wants and not have a second thought about it.

I really want someone to put him down. And the rest of the gang.

Walt managed to kill Gus, who seemed untouchable. The gang is not as tough as Gus in my eyes, so they will get they deserve.

[Addai]

I do think Todd is a sociopath, but the fact remains that everything that's happening is Walt's doing. Todd and Jack's gang have the power they do because of him, and it's his greed that's inspiring them.

I think it's interesting that Jack wanted to stop but Todd convinced him not to, just like Walt and Jesse kept getting sucked back into the life.

[Il Divo]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I'm wondering if he might even go after Gretchen and Elliot, though I suppose it's more likely that Jack and his gang are the targets. For that matter, given how angry he is in general, he might still be partially blaming Jesse for turning informant - even if he inadvertently saves Jesse in the course of taking out Jack's gang, I wonder if he'd let Jesse go at that point or try to kill him.

In any case, I'm hoping Jesse manages to extricate himself from this situation without Walter's help. He'd probably be most concerned for Brock right now if he does escape.

It's an interesting idea. Like I said, I have no idea where this is going one way or another. On the one hand, I could see Gretchen and Elliot simply being used to inspire Walt to get back into the game and finish Jack off.

But I'm still trying to reconcile what Walt needs with both a machine gun and ricin. The two represent very different styles of killing so short of Walt using it on himself, I'm wondering if that could be for Gretchen/Elliot?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Il Divo wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I'm wondering if he might even go after Gretchen and Elliot, though I suppose it's more likely that Jack and his gang are the targets. For that matter, given how angry he is in general, he might still be partially blaming Jesse for turning informant - even if he inadvertently saves Jesse in the course of taking out Jack's gang, I wonder if he'd let Jesse go at that point or try to kill him.

In any case, I'm hoping Jesse manages to extricate himself from this situation without Walter's help. He'd probably be most concerned for Brock right now if he does escape.

It's an interesting idea. Like I said, I have no idea where this is going one way or another. On the one hand, I could see Gretchen and Elliot simply being used to inspire Walt to get back into the game and finish Jack off.

But I'm still trying to reconcile what Walt needs with both a machine gun and ricin. The two represent very different styles of killing so short of Walt using it on himself, I'm wondering if that could be for Gretchen/Elliot?

It would be very amusing if Walt M60ed Grey Matter. But I highly doubt he would murder his ex girl and best friend in cold blood, if he was willing to give up all his money to save a brother in law who wasn't being very nice to him. Unless he's truly gone insane from living in a cabin



ok so I wikied sociopathy, and the signs of both psychopathy and anti-socialness doesn't really seem to fit todd well at all:

Facet 1: Interpersonal

• Glibness/superficial charm
• Grandiose sense of self-worth
• Pathological lying
• Cunning/manipulative

Facet 2: Affective

• Lack of remorse or guilt
• Emotionally shallow
• Callous/lack of empathy
• Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Facet 3: Lifestyle

• Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
• Parasitic lifestyle
• Lack of realistic, long-term goals
• Impulsivity
• Irresponsibility

Facet 4: Antisocial

• Poor behavioral controls
• Early behavioral problems
• Juvenile delinquency
• Revocation of conditional release
• Criminal versatility

• Many short-term marital relationships
• Promiscuous sexual behavior

Granted he's fictional character but other than taking murder REALLY lightly he doesn't seem all that sciopathic does he?



Oh and did anyone think the end scene's music and how it turns into the usual credits cue was bloody wicked?

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 23 septembre 2013 - 10:50 .

[Dream]

Do you guys think that's the last we've seen of Saul? 

I kind of hope it is tbh. I know he doesn't deserve to get away from all of this unscatched, but, there's some kind of justice to letting Saul have that victory over Walt.

It's a fitting ending for his character imo. Saul's been the most level headed guy throughout the show so it makes sense that he gets to slip away. He's got nothing to tie him down. He knows when to cut and run unlike everyone else.

[FlyingSquirrel]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...
It would be very amusing if Walt M60ed Grey Matter. But I highly doubt he would murder his ex girl and best friend in cold blood, if he was willing to give up all his money to save a brother in law who wasn't being very nice to him. Unless he's truly gone insane from living in a cabin

Well, Hank's behavior wasn't posing a threat to Walt's ego or pride the same way that the Grey Matter slight probably does. Also, given that he apparently feels as if they somehow cheated him way back when, he may (in his typically self-indulgent way) be partly blaming them for the fact that he went the criminal route when he needed money.

I'm not saying I definitely think he's going after Elliott and Gretchen, but it's a possibility.

[Han Shot First]

There isn't any chance that Jesse and Walt will ally at this point, IMO. That relationship was damaged beyond repair by A) Jesse figuring out that Walt had poisoned Brock, Walt admitting that he let Jane die, and C) Walt blaming Jesse for Hank's death. Walt is now also indirectly responsible for Andrea being killed.

If the two were to cross paths again, it would end with one of them killing the other.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 24 septembre 2013 - 01:30 .

[Kalas747]

improvisionist wrote...

Do you guys think that's the last we've seen of Saul? 

I kind of hope it is tbh. I know he doesn't deserve to get away from all of this unscatched, but, there's some kind of justice to letting Saul have that victory over Walt.

It's a fitting ending for his character imo. Saul's been the most level headed guy throughout the show so it makes sense that he gets to slip away. He's got nothing to tie him down. He knows when to cut and run unlike everyone else.

I hope we get some kind of cameo regarding both he and huell.  I don't think the purpose should serve anything other than comic relief which is mostly the role they provided throughout the show.

After seeing how grim things are now I really miss the optimism and excitement of the first couple of seasons, it was easier to laugh at Saul in the beginning.   I have a feeling that Gilligan is going to make the final episode pure srs business though.

[FlyingSquirrel]

improvisionist wrote...

Do you guys think that's the last we've seen of Saul? 

I kind of hope it is tbh. I know he doesn't deserve to get away from all of this unscatched, but, there's some kind of justice to letting Saul have that victory over Walt.

It's a fitting ending for his character imo. Saul's been the most level headed guy throughout the show so it makes sense that he gets to slip away. He's got nothing to tie him down. He knows when to cut and run unlike everyone else.

I think he's done, simply because it would require either a jarring "cutaway" to Nebraska or a huge contrivance to work him back into the storyline in the small amount of time left. It's clear he simply wanted out of the entire situation, and I don't think it's likely he'll be dragged back in.

I suppose the one possibility is that Walt could get caught and try to bargain by telling the authorities where Saul is, but Walt is probably the bigger fish in their eyes. Though, I suppose that theoretically, Saul may be at least peripherally involved in more crimes than Walt has been.

[Addai]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

ok so I wikied sociopathy, and the signs of both psychopathy and anti-socialness doesn't really seem to fit todd well at all:

He's charming, cuddly, and has absolutely no empathy for others except as a manipulative tactic. He's probably not even out of his teens and he's a career criminal. He takes no responsibility for actions. And he's probably going to end up stalking Lydia.

Compare to Jesse who was around the same age when the show started, but who agonizes even over deaths he isn't directly responsible for.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 septembre 2013 - 07:09 .

[AlanC9]

silentstep79 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

The title of the last episode is Felina.

Fe Li Na
Iron Lithium Sodium
Blood Meth Tears

thats pretty awesome

WOW!

Interesting, but I'm still pretty sure the title's related to this song, where the hero has escaped but gets gunned down because he goes back for his girlfriend. Maybe all Walt wants is to die in Skyler's arms.

(I'm linking to that version because I'm brain-damaged)

OTOH, this would require Gilligan to deliberately misspell the girl's name since the song uses a nonstandard spelling.