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[Doctoglethorpe]

spoilers obviously

An ending where Walt has to live with his mistakes, sobbing for the rest of his life in a cell would have been terribly cliche.

Its perfect as it is. He dies truly Heisenberg. The metamorphosis complete, he accepts who he is and he dies contempt that, hey, it was a hell of a ride, he got his revenge and he secured his family's future. He knows it took a hurricane of suffering to get there, but the messy job is done. His life is over. His death, from his perspective, is bitter sweet. He won. He even thinks he "saved" Jesse which he personally considers a sort of redemption but it really isn't. Jesse knows better, but he sees Heisenberg's delusion, thats why he doesn't kill him, cause he's already gone, killing him would change nothing, so he bes the man Heisenberg never could be and just walks away. Then, by getting the last scene, Heisenberg is trying to convince us one last time that his perspective is true, that he is right to feel contempt. But we know, from our birds eye view, that he has left utter ruin. That's whats important, thats what needed to happen, we the viewers needed to know it, despite the best efforts of the episode essentially trying to mislead us into buying his narrative, not him. He died still believing his nihilistic illusion. He died thinking he won, but the only victory he holds is putting a lid on his empire, destroying the heretics that took it over when he left. A villains victory. He never really realizes just how bad off his family is. He thinks those gps coordinates will buy his family's freedom, but thats ridiculously unlikely. He thinks his kids will get his money, but that too is ridiculously unlikely.  Its the same stubborn "i can fix this" mentality he tried to pull to save Hank.  He even almost convinces the viewer that it will work too, maybe a lot of you guys did buy it, but anyone who's been paying attention to how things work in this show should know better then that. He's as stubborn and delusional as ever in the end. He lost everything, but he thinks he won. He thinks he is a martyr. He dies 100% Heisenberg. Perfection.

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 01 octobre 2013 - 12:43 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...
...anyone know how plausible it is that an M60 can kill everyone through a wall with suppressing fire?

Very plausible.
It is chambered in the 7.62x51 Nato round (147 grains @ ~ 2750 fps) which can definitely penetrate light cover like 30 cm thick trees, light brick walls and up to a half inch of mild steel. If you use AP rounds that have a hardened steel penetrator inside the projectile it takes even more to stop it.
Of course a brick wall slows down the projectiles but this does not necessarily mean they're any less lethal. I'd hate to get hit by a somewhat shredded tumbling 7.62.

Todays smaller 5.56 NATO often fails to make it through even windshields in one piece and it cant defeat light cover, thats why LMG's in 7.62 are still used and loved by soldiers in combat nowadays.

*edit*
Oh, it was a DRYwall, not a brick wall, yeah, the 7.62 goes through two dozen drywalls before even slowing down. The projectiles would go through the cars trunk, the front dry wall, through the naz!s, through the back drywall and keep going. 

Modifié par The Woldan , 01 octobre 2013 - 01:04 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

As for Elliot and Gretchen, I think it's likely that Gretchen who was Walt's girlfriend, maybe even fiancee if I recall correctly, cheated on Walt with Elliot. That is why Walt left Grey Matter.

Also they were lying out of their asses when they said Walt only was responsible for the name. Yes Walt is far worse then that, but they are no innocents and this episode is about justice being found for every single person.

So? That makes them jerks, not criminals. Not even in the same ballpark.

[Giant ambush beetle]

By the way, what was Uncle Jack saying just before Walt put a bullet in his head? ''You want to know where your money is?.....'' I did not understand what he said right after that.

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai: I didn't say they were in the same ballpark, what I said is that they got their due for what they had done and really this is what this episode is about: Everyone getting their just rewards: Walt, Todd, Lydia, Jack.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 octobre 2013 - 01:36 .

[LPPrince]

The Woldan wrote...

By the way, what was Uncle Jack saying just before Walt put a bullet in his head? ''You want to know where your money is?.....'' I did not understand what he said right after that.

Basically he said that if Walt shot him, he would never find out where his money was.

Walt gave an equal amount of fornications to the mathematical result of seven subtracted from seven.

[Giant ambush beetle]

^ That makes sense, thanks.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Jack was mocking Walt's earlier pleading for Hanks life.

[Costin_Razvan]

Of course he was and he pissed off Heisenberg with that.

[KaiserShep]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

As for Elliot and Gretchen, I think it's likely that Gretchen who was Walt's girlfriend, maybe even fiancee if I recall correctly, cheated on Walt with Elliot. That is why Walt left Grey Matter.

Also they were lying out of their asses when they said Walt only was responsible for the name. Yes Walt is far worse then that, but they are no innocents and this episode is about justice being found for every single person.

So? That makes them jerks, not criminals. Not even in the same ballpark.

This does mean that they can't be trusted to fulfill their promise, however. Appealing to their better nature to ensure that his family gets the money, and that they don't keep it for themselves is not a particularly effective plan, but making them believe that not doing so would put their own lives in danger is. If they were on better terms with Walter, it's less likely that he would've resorted to it. I do agree that it still makes Walter a bad guy, but the fact that he's only bluffing does change things a bit, and the only thing it costs is their sense of well being, which isn't all that high.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 02 octobre 2013 - 08:26 .

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

KaiserShep wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

As for Elliot and Gretchen, I think it's likely that Gretchen who was Walt's girlfriend, maybe even fiancee if I recall correctly, cheated on Walt with Elliot. That is why Walt left Grey Matter.

Also they were lying out of their asses when they said Walt only was responsible for the name. Yes Walt is far worse then that, but they are no innocents and this episode is about justice being found for every single person.

So? That makes them jerks, not criminals. Not even in the same ballpark.

This does mean that they can't be trusted to fulfill their promise, however. Appealing to their better nature to ensure that his family gets the money, and that they don't keep it for themselves is not a particularly effective plan, but making them believe that not doing so would put their own lives in danger is. If they were on better terms with Walter, it's less likely that he would've resorted to it. I do agree that it still makes Walter a bad guy, but the fact that he's only bluffing does change things a bit, and the only thing it costs is their sense of well being, which isn't all that high.

We don't actually know about their past and who wronged who. But given how Walt and I share an uncanny ability to always paint ourselves as the agrieved party, I wouldn't be surprised if G&E were being perfectly reasonable. So no we don't really know if they deserved it, but yes it was a necessary incentive for them to keep their promise, even if the terrorising was a big plus. Anyway they pretty much got off scot free compared to everyone else on the show.

[Il Divo]

KaiserShep wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

As for Elliot and Gretchen, I think it's likely that Gretchen who was Walt's girlfriend, maybe even fiancee if I recall correctly, cheated on Walt with Elliot. That is why Walt left Grey Matter.

Also they were lying out of their asses when they said Walt only was responsible for the name. Yes Walt is far worse then that, but they are no innocents and this episode is about justice being found for every single person.

So? That makes them jerks, not criminals. Not even in the same ballpark.

This does mean that they can't be trusted to fulfill their promise, however. Appealing to their better nature to ensure that his family gets the money, and that they don't keep it for themselves is not a particularly effective plan, but making them believe that not doing so would put their own lives in danger is. If they were on better terms with Walter, it's less likely that he would've resorted to it. I do agree that it still makes Walter a bad guy, but the fact that he's only bluffing does change things a bit, and the only thing it costs is their sense of well being, which isn't all that high.

Isn't Grey Matter worth upwards of five billion dollars? I'm not saying Gretchen and Elliot couldn't back out of the deal, but I don't see stealing Walt's fortune as being the prime motivation there. What he made is still nothing compared to their company.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 octobre 2013 - 12:33 .

[Naughty Bear]

I really wanted to see the aftermath of Walt's death, news reports flooding in about the mythical Heisenberg now dead etc.

In my eyes, it should of ended with urban myths, legends, stories etc springing up all over the web, cementing his legacy. The final scene shows Walt's face in a newspaper clip with people questioning what changed him with the Breaking Bad theme playing in the background.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 02 octobre 2013 - 06:02 .

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Il Divo wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

As for Elliot and Gretchen, I think it's likely that Gretchen who was Walt's girlfriend, maybe even fiancee if I recall correctly, cheated on Walt with Elliot. That is why Walt left Grey Matter.

Also they were lying out of their asses when they said Walt only was responsible for the name. Yes Walt is far worse then that, but they are no innocents and this episode is about justice being found for every single person.

So? That makes them jerks, not criminals. Not even in the same ballpark.

This does mean that they can't be trusted to fulfill their promise, however. Appealing to their better nature to ensure that his family gets the money, and that they don't keep it for themselves is not a particularly effective plan, but making them believe that not doing so would put their own lives in danger is. If they were on better terms with Walter, it's less likely that he would've resorted to it. I do agree that it still makes Walter a bad guy, but the fact that he's only bluffing does change things a bit, and the only thing it costs is their sense of well being, which isn't all that high.

Isn't Grey Matter worth upwards of five billion dollars? I'm not saying Gretchen and Elliot couldn't back out of the deal, but I don't see stealing Walt's fortune as being the prime motivation there. What he made is still nothing compared to their company.

There's no way they would take the money, in fact part of the reason they would need persuading is that they likely don't want anything to do with what they (correctly) think is drug money.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

me neither. though I do make exceptions for when he hurts jesse really badly

[Arch1eviathan]

The Woldan wrote...

By the way, what was Uncle Jack saying just before Walt put a bullet in his head? ''You want to know where your money is?.....'' I did not understand what he said right after that.

Something along the lines of "you wanna know where your money is? if you pull that trigg-*BANG*"

I loved this scene he executed Jack, just like Jack executed Hank. It was so gratifying to watch both Walt and Jesse get there revenge for the loved ones they killed.