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[QueenPurpleScrap]

Former_Fiend wrote...
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Don't mistake me, I don't pity him for being lied to about who his mother is. I pity him for Fiona being his mother.

There is no character in the whole of Dragon Age lore that I dislike more than Fiona.

I agree. Her and what's-her-name, Adrian from Asunder, the one who framed her 'best friend' for murder because it suited her politically. As far as I'm concerned they are both stone cold b****s.

Alistair deserves better. So does the mage rebellion.

And I certainly believe it's possible there are other Theirens around. I don't think we should assume Maric was the first in his line to have one or more illegitimate children.

Modifié par QueenPurpleScrap, 10 septembre 2013 - 02:10 .

[Mercedes-Benz]

I think there is or at the very least was a third brother, but is doesn't matter, since the Cousland Dynasty now rules Ferelden, and it is going to stay that way.

[Nefla]

All of this sounds like a bad fanfic...I'm glad it's not in the game.

[esper]

I am still going with the simplest solution here: Marric was a dog that slept around and we have no idea who many bastards, he actually have.

[Magdalena11]

Xsari Rose wrote...

Woah, I've never read The Calling and have just seen this thread. The idea that this Fiona character being Alistair's real mother is completely ridiculous. He doesn't look elven in the slightest. I thought human-elf children were human height but had elven features. Like Feynriel, he clearly has elven features. People just think he's ugly and badly designed, it's because of the mix of elf and human designs. There is a third half-elf son. Just Gaider really messed up the timeline in his books which is real shame as I was considering reading them. Won't touch them now, just going to stick to the story of the games.

The offspring of humans and elves look like humans.  This is why Merrill in DA2 is a bit conflicted romancing a male Hawke.  I wasn't too keen on the way Feynriel was pictured for this reason.  He does look half-elven and he shouldn't have.  Also, Denarius seems to share some of the elven features, like slightly pointy ears and the elongated face shape.

The timeline was seriously messed up but I seem to recall that an acutal timeline with exact years was published in The World of Thedas.  Alistair is about 20 during the events of Origins and Cailan is about 30,  Rowan died when Cailan was 4 or so, so hiding Alistair from her wouldn't have been hard.  I have always wondered what happened to Fiona's son.  Duncan said he'd keep an eye on him but that's the last you hear of him.  Ah, well, another mystery.

[Potato Cat]

I read the comics yesterday, and I think there was something in either the last or second Until We Sleep that strongly implied Fiona was Alistair's mother. I'll have a looksee and see if I can find it.

[Potato Cat]

"The people I love are here - Cailan, your mother,"
"Your mother and I wanted to spare you this life,"

All sounds like he knew her pretty well. Not just a one night stand with a star struck maid.

[Magdalena11]

Elfman wrote...

I read the comics yesterday, and I think there was something in either the last or second Until We Sleep that strongly implied Fiona was Alistair's mother. I'll have a looksee and see if I can find it.

I'd be interested in what you find out.  I did wonder that when I first read The Calling but Goldana does throw a spanner in the works.  Unless Goldana isn't really Alistair's sister after all...and it would explain why Duncan took Alistair away from the chantry.  Nah, too much finagling.  I'll just have to live with some mystery.

[Gorguz]

Now that I think about it... It sounds strange that Duncan wanted to turn Fiona's son into a warden. He who thought the wardens' life to be more terrible than a death sentence.

[kiera embers]

But that brings up the issue of Goldanna and her mother the housemaid. Maric was in no way a chaste man. He got around, and if you can believe the novels mostly with elves. I'm not entirely convinced that Alistair is Fiona's son. There's also the issue of timelines. So a third son is very likely. Plus would Duncan really submit Fiona's son to the calling, or Maric give said child to Eamon.

Modifié par kiera embers, 10 septembre 2013 - 10:05 .

[Eveangaline]

kiera embers wrote...

But that brings up the issue of Goldanna and her mother the housemaid. Maric was in no way a chaste man. He got around, and if you can believe the novels mostly with elves. I'm not entirely convinced that Alistair is Fiona's son. There's also the issue of timelines. So a third son is very likely. Plus would Duncan really submit Fiona's son to the calling, or Maric give said child to Eamon.

Duncan would submit anyone to the calling if he thought they'd make a capable warden.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:20 .

[Karach_Blade]

Oh god its the Targaryens all over again....the dragon has three heads...

[The Six Path of Pain]

Xsari Rose wrote...

Woah, I've never read The Calling and have just seen this thread. The idea that this Fiona character being Alistair's real mother is completely ridiculous. He doesn't look elven in the slightest. I thought human-elf children were human height but had elven features. Like Feynriel, he clearly has elven features. People just think he's ugly and badly designed, it's because of the mix of elf and human designs. There is a third half-elf son. Just Gaider really messed up the timeline in his books which is real shame as I was considering reading them. Won't touch them now, just going to stick to the story of the games.

Human and Elf offsprings always come out fully human. But it seems like they tried to retcon that in DA2, don't know why though. Seeing as all the evidence points to Alistair having an elven mother it really wouldn't make sense to retcon that fact. /: 

[Captain Obvious]

Aren't the comics non-canon?

Modifié par Cap. Obvious, 11 septembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[Potato Cat]

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Aren't the comics non-canon?

Only what actually happens, though they've said it will happen in slightly different ways most likely. Alistair does have dragon blood, Isabela's name was Naishe and there is a transgender Magister called Maevaris Tilani. So the information about Aistair's mother is likely true.

[leaguer of one]

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Aren't the comics non-canon?

No, the events change to line up with was you did in your game. 

[leaguer of one]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Xsari Rose wrote...

Woah, I've never read The Calling and have just seen this thread. The idea that this Fiona character being Alistair's real mother is completely ridiculous. He doesn't look elven in the slightest. I thought human-elf children were human height but had elven features. Like Feynriel, he clearly has elven features. People just think he's ugly and badly designed, it's because of the mix of elf and human designs. There is a third half-elf son. Just Gaider really messed up the timeline in his books which is real shame as I was considering reading them. Won't touch them now, just going to stick to the story of the games.

Human and Elf offsprings always come out fully human. But it seems like they tried to retcon that in DA2, don't know why though. Seeing as all the evidence points to Alistair having an elven mother it really wouldn't make sense to retcon that fact. /: 

Feynriel is human. He just as some very slight elvin features. The elves consider him human.

[BioWareM0d13]

As far as I'm concerned there are varying degrees of canon, like the Star Wars universe. The way it works with Star Wars fandom is that the films are considered the highest level of canon, followed by books and comics. Most things in the Expanded Universe books or comics are considered canon unless they get contradicted by a film.

I'm approaching Dragon Age the same way. The games are the highest degree of canon, followed by books or comics, and lastly by statements made by devs on Twitter or in interviews and such. Since the game implied that Goldana's mother gave birth to Alistair, that is still canon as far as I'm concerned until a Dragon Age game indicates otherwise.

[Former_Fiend]

leaguer of one wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Aren't the comics non-canon?

No, the events change to line up with was you did in your game. 

The main issue is that, in the event of Alistair's death in Origins, I don't imagine the events of the comics would play out at all being that he is the driving force behind them.

This is partly why I think there should be a third sibling(I've been saying brother as Fiona's child is explicitly a boy). They're clearly going somewhere with this dragonblood story in the comics, but with Alistair dead the plot dies.

Then again, could be that I'm wrong and it may play out like I'm hoping the dark ritual does; if you did it, it turns out to be a big deal. If you didn't, then nothing happens.

[Maugrim]

Yeah Fiona totally can't be Alistair's mother because of that line about being in the Fade. I mean it's not like mages go into the Fade all the time. Definitely not their schtick that only they can remember their time in the fade as they dream and that the Fade can give you visions of things you desire and can not have. And it's not like the next game is going to have issues about the Fade that might be important to the story, maybe even have some relevance to that obviously minor storyline from Asunder where the leader of the mages (what was her name again...?) called for a separation...ok I think that's enough sarcasm for one paragraph.

Seriously people the only reason a third Therin makes any sense is so that if the Therin blood is plot relevant is DAI then there is a spare for the people who got Alistair killed. Fiona matches up time wise and has no logical arguments against it. Maric's supposed sleeping around honestly seems more like an informed ability than actual fact So I'm not saying they won't pull a third Therin out of thin air but it's not really germane to the issue of Fiona being Alistair's mother. Is there anything absolutely stopping it from happening? Again no but it make less sense with the story that is told and I hope Bioware doesn't follow it.

[The Six Path of Pain]

leaguer of one wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Xsari Rose wrote...

Woah, I've never read The Calling and have just seen this thread. The idea that this Fiona character being Alistair's real mother is completely ridiculous. He doesn't look elven in the slightest. I thought human-elf children were human height but had elven features. Like Feynriel, he clearly has elven features. People just think he's ugly and badly designed, it's because of the mix of elf and human designs. There is a third half-elf son. Just Gaider really messed up the timeline in his books which is real shame as I was considering reading them. Won't touch them now, just going to stick to the story of the games.

Human and Elf offsprings always come out fully human. But it seems like they tried to retcon that in DA2, don't know why though. Seeing as all the evidence points to Alistair having an elven mother it really wouldn't make sense to retcon that fact. /: 

Feynriel is human. He just as some very slight elvin features. The elves consider him human.

Yeah, I know that dude. By retcon I mean that they tried to give human/elf hybrids more elfish features.

[werewoof]

i honestly dont give a rats ass about the therin bloodline and i kind of wish theyd drop that thread like theyre doing with the amell thing just because the whole "WOW important bloodlines and divine right!!!" thing is overdone and really just annoying to me. sort of trumps the whole "it's actions that count" motif when you also include "unless theyre from the magic special bloodline". at least in origins i got to completely ditch alistair and eamon in favor of someone with actual political experience rather than be forced to put an inexperienced manchild on the throne just because of his bloodline. its honestly my least favorite fantasy trope.

but its already established apparently so i guess i'll have to live with it.

disclaimer: i have zero interest in the supplemental material like the books and comics so forgive me if i am way off but i just dont really wanna read about the further adventures of king alistair at all nor am i terribly into the lore so ehh :/

Modifié par tiktac, 11 septembre 2013 - 09:29 .

[MKDAWUSS]

There might even be a Therin sister!

[Heimdall]

Back before multiple race choices were revealed, I had a theory that the Inquisitor was the Third Theirin.

[leaguer of one]

Former_Fiend wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Aren't the comics non-canon?

No, the events change to line up with was you did in your game. 

The main issue is that, in the event of Alistair's death in Origins, I don't imagine the events of the comics would play out at all being that he is the driving force behind them.

This is partly why I think there should be a third sibling(I've been saying brother as Fiona's child is explicitly a boy). They're clearly going somewhere with this dragonblood story in the comics, but with Alistair dead the plot dies.

Then again, could be that I'm wrong and it may play out like I'm hoping the dark ritual does; if you did it, it turns out to be a big deal. If you didn't, then nothing happens.

There plenty of ways around it. If Alistar is dead then Loghain is the one rescuing Maric.