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[Sir DeLoria]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What Geth?

Yeah, what is this guy talking about?

[RZIBARA]

She may not be as well done as she was in ME1, but she was far from ruined in ME3. If she was, why would I bother romancing her?

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

I'm assuming the trailer focuses on Ashley, and actually hints at the romance with her being the canon for that trailer? If so, I don't know if I want to see it. I never let Ashley reach ME3 anymore, it damages her character too much (whereas Kaidan is actually improved).

I agree. My view of Kaidan really improved with ME3, whereas my view of Ash really worsened. I think Ash was more or less ruined in ME3.

I honestly don't get this statement. I'm going to say this not as an Ashley fan, but as a fan of common sense, the reasons given for this to be true aren't true themselves.

1. Ashley, why you no trust me? Stop saying the same things over again in those three, count them, three whole conversations. That really is a lot of talking isn't it, those three thirty second conversations out of eight or so.  
2. Ashley, why you so done up now? You look stupid? One, beauty is subjective, and two this has nothing to do with her personality.
3. Ashley, why you so boring? Everyone's boring. Get over it. What did anyone really do? 
4. Uh...uh....complain. Yes that make the best kind of argument. 

Really, and I'll stop saying it when it's apparent that this isn't true, it all boils down to, Ashley doesn't do everything that I want her to do like every other character, and this hurts my feelings. I know BioWare got it into your heads that everyone needs to bend over backwords on command and take every single suggestion you give as a command that must be followed, but that simply isn't how rational beings function. Deal with it. 

Now really, the only thing this even remotely has to do with this thread is that Ashley is a Spectre. Let's move on now, shall we. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Ashley doesn't act like a rational being.

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Ashley doesn't act like a rational being.

Explain. 

[The Night Mammoth]

What needs explaining? I don't think she acts rationally. Her distrust of Shepard is understandable to begin with but her unwillingness to take two and think about the situation, and her repeated comments, as sparse as they are relative to the rest of the game, I don't think are warranted or sensible.

I don't mind the fact that there's a character who doesn't bend over for Shepard. I don't have a great love for Garrus past enjoying the fact that he's a reliable wing man, because he's boring, frankly. What I'd have liked is a character that actually has a reasonable, logical, and meaningful story, of not trusting Shepard's actions but finally being brought round. I don't think Ashley's arc fulfills what I want.

In hindsight, that need explaining. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 septembre 2013 - 06:02 .

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What needs explaining? I don't think she acts rationally. Her distrust of Shepard is understandable to begin with but her unwillingness to take two and think about the situation, and her repeated comments, as sparse as they are relative to the rest of the game, I don't think are warranted or sensible.

What repeated comments? Mars and the Coup are the only times. Both very sensible.

I don't mind the fact that there's a character who doesn't bend over for Shepard. I don't have a great love for Garrus past enjoying the fact that he's a reliable wing man, because he's boring, frankly. What I'd have liked is a character that actually has a reasonable, logical, and meaningful story, of not trusting Shepard's actions but finally being brought round. I don't think Ashley's arc fulfills what I want.

In hindsight, that need explaining. 

This isn't even a problem sole to Ashley, which even you pointed out, so it has nothing to do with the dicusssion at hand. It's just you giving an opinion on character writing in Mass Effect in general, not how Ashley's character was ruined. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 14 septembre 2013 - 06:07 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Br3ad wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What needs explaining? I don't think she acts rationally. Her distrust of Shepard is understandable to begin with but her unwillingness to take two and think about the situation, and her repeated comments, as sparse as they are relative to the rest of the game, I don't think are warranted or sensible.

What repeated comments? Mars and the Coup are the only times. Both very sensible.

Not in my opinion.

I don't mind the fact that there's a character who doesn't bend over for Shepard. I don't have a great love for Garrus past enjoying the fact that he's a reliable wing man, because he's boring, frankly. What I'd have liked is a character that actually has a reasonable, logical, and meaningful story, of not trusting Shepard's actions but finally being brought round. I don't think Ashley's arc fulfills what I want.

In hindsight, that need explaining. 

This isn't even a problem sole to Ashley, which even you pointed out, so it has nothing to do with the dicusssion at hand.

What discussion? What problem have I pointed out that isn't sole to Ashley? 

It's just you giving an opinion on character writing in Mass Effect in general,

Not it's not. I'm talking specifically about this character.

not how Ashley's character was ruined. 

I don't think Ashley's character was ruined, so naturally I wouldn't talk about that anyway.

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad we all know it's because Ashley doesn't kiss Shepards ass

[TheMyron]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Ashley doesn't act like a rational being.

She was probably jumping on her menstrual cycle at the time and looking for someone to run over with it.

Whereas Kaiden is, well, a man.

[Br3admax]

TheMyron wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Ashley doesn't act like a rational being.

She was probably jumping on her menstrual cycle at the time and looking for someone to run over with it.

Whereas Kaiden is, well, a man.

Wow, I've heard some really fucked up things here. Like really fucked up. But this just takes the cake. I'm sure glad that I have a Y chromosome, wouldn't want to go on a menstrual rage or anything. If this is a joke, it's not funny at all, and if it isn't, remember that your mother brought you into this world before you start talking about her sex that way. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 14 septembre 2013 - 08:51 .

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Ashley doesn't act like a rational being.

She was probably jumping on her menstrual cycle at the time and looking for someone to run over with it.

Whereas Kaiden is, well, a man.

Wow, I've heard some really fucked up things here. Like really fucked up. But this just takes the cake. I'm sure glad that I have a Y chromosome, wouldn't want to go on a menstrual rage or anything. If this is a joke, it's not funny at all, and if it isn't, remember that your mother brought you into this world before you start talking about her sex that way. 

YEP

[TheMyron]

Br3ad wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Ashley doesn't act like a rational being.

She was probably jumping on her menstrual cycle at the time and looking for someone to run over with it.

Whereas Kaiden is, well, a man.

Wow, I've heard some really fucked up things here. Like really fucked up. But this just takes the cake. I'm sure glad that I have a Y chromosome, wouldn't want to go on a menstrual rage or anything. If this is a joke, it's not funny at all, and if it isn't, remember that your mother brought you into this world before you start talking about her sex that way. 

My personal Apologies, I just thought the motorcycle joke would be funny.

P.S.  I am amazed that Jeff Dunham was able whip up a bunch of laughs using the same joke.

Modifié par TheMyron, 14 septembre 2013 - 09:29 .

[KaiserShep]

The guy with the puppets? Blergh.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 septembre 2013 - 09:38 .

[Br3admax]

The things that entertain the masses, should never even grab your attention, let alone your amusement.

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...
I honestly don't get this statement. I'm going to say this not as an Ashley fan, but as a fan of common sense, the reasons given for this to be true aren't true themselves.

Really, and I'll stop saying it when it's apparent that this isn't true, it all boils down to, Ashley doesn't do everything that I want her to do like every other character, and this hurts my feelings. I know BioWare got it into your heads that everyone needs to bend over backwords on command and take every single suggestion you give as a command that must be followed, but that simply isn't how rational beings function. Deal with it. 

Now really, the only thing this even remotely has to do with this thread is that Ashley is a Spectre. Let's move on now, shall we. 

The distrust is one thing. But Ashley is also horribly anti-social in ME3. Sure, she talks with Tali every now and then, but that's basically it. She turns into somewhat of a drama queen in ME3:?

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
I honestly don't get this statement. I'm going to say this not as an Ashley fan, but as a fan of common sense, the reasons given for this to be true aren't true themselves.

Really, and I'll stop saying it when it's apparent that this isn't true, it all boils down to, Ashley doesn't do everything that I want her to do like every other character, and this hurts my feelings. I know BioWare got it into your heads that everyone needs to bend over backwords on command and take every single suggestion you give as a command that must be followed, but that simply isn't how rational beings function. Deal with it. 

Now really, the only thing this even remotely has to do with this thread is that Ashley is a Spectre. Let's move on now, shall we. 

The distrust is one thing. But Ashley is also horribly anti-social in ME3. Sure, she talks with Tali every now and then, but that's basically it. She turns into somewhat of a drama queen in ME3:?

Yeah, turns out that bug we've told you about six times this week is still a thing. It didn't stop being a thing just for this argument. 

[Wynterdust]

Basically, if she was like she was in ME1, it would have been much better.

[Br3admax]

Wynterdust wrote...

Basically, if she was like she was in ME1, it would have been much better.

Flirtatious? That's really the only noticable difference. It's obviously the same personality, minus the brown nosing that so many people seem to hate but at the same time ask for. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Wynterdust wrote...

Basically, if she was like she was in ME1, it would have been much better.

Flirtatious? That's really the only noticable difference. It's obviously the same personality, minus the brown nosing that so many people seem to hate but at the same time ask for. 

It doesn't make her more likeable, but it adds to her character.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wynterdust wrote...

Basically, if she was like she was in ME1, it would have been much better.

Flirtatious? That's really the only noticable difference. It's obviously the same personality, minus the brown nosing that so many people seem to hate but at the same time ask for. 

It doesn't make her more likeable, but it adds to her character.

Honestly, if I'm not romancing Ashley, I don't want her flirting with me. That's just unprofessional. As for brown nosing, we have a whole galaxy for that. 

[Wynterdust]

As in she still questioned you and made her viewpoints clear without coming off as petty like she does in 3. The confrontation on Horizon in ME2 was much better done than anything in 3. In 3 she already knows the score, but still carries it on.

[Br3admax]

Wynterdust wrote...

As in she still questioned you and made her viewpoints clear without coming off as petty like she does in 3. The confrontation on Horizon in ME2 was much better done than anything in 3. In 3 she already knows the score, but still carries it on.

I hate those three whole conversations too, two of which happen with ten minutes of each other. Especially the one where people are dying all around you and it's not safe to trust anyone. That's the perfect time to trust someone. 

I don't like being trusted either, but I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't makes sense at the time. 

[andy6915]

So Br3ad, what was beginng (the post you made to me a bit ago)? It's been a while, and I didn't see anything begin.

Modifié par andy69156915, 15 septembre 2013 - 12:08 .

[Br3admax]

This conversation. Somehow we all knew that it would. Even in a thread about the Council, the simple mention of Ashley lead to a hashing. Some people just can't resist.