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[Sir DeLoria]

MysticSpace wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Well, in my headcanon they all get a seat. How can the council call themselves a democracy, if only a strong minority of species has the power?

If everyone gets seat then it'll be a galatic federation...suddenly I'm looking forward to ME4 but, only if it's in your headcannon.

Yes! We need a galactic federation in ME4:D

[Br3admax]

StreetMagic wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Well, in my headcanon they all get a seat. How can the council call themselves a democracy, if only a strong minority of species has the power?

It's not a democracy. It's relatively peaceful, but never was stated to be a democracy, was it? And even then, the actual job of peacekeeping is just individuals cowboying their way throughout the galaxy. The "peacemakers" are the likes of Saren/Vasir/Shepard.

The Council is built up of elected officials who have no real, as in deserved by law, power. That sounds like a democracy to me. 

[Forst1999]

Br3ad wrote...

The Council is built up of elected officials who have no real, as in deserved by law, power. That sounds like a democracy to me. 

Who says the councilors are elected by their people? The turian councilor could just be appointed by the primarch, the asari councilor might be chosen as a compromise between the various asari goverments, etc.
The power of political offices doesn't decide whether it's a democracy or not, the office being held responsible to the people is the important factor. The councilors seem to be respresentatives of the gouvernments in an "international" organization.
The council doesn't claim to be the representatives of the galactic population, they are the delegates of the powers that can keep the galaxy peaceful. Most of the time they even succeed.

Modifié par Forst1999, 10 septembre 2013 - 03:31 .

[justafan]

Br3ad wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Geth.. Well, they would have both the military, population and financial assets with their strong economy if they want to be part of the greater galactic community.

Becomming an imporant partner in the galactic community would be strategicaly beneficial and ensure their future survival should the others allow it.

No. A  galaxy where the geth have more power than most species is not a galaxy that I want to live in. It sounds awful. 

Javik needs a seat on the Counil. Javik needs to be the Council.

Hanar Assisstant: Oh enlightend Council Javik., it pains this one to inform you that the Salarians do not wish to comply with your decrees.

Javik:  Then throw them out the airlock.

Hanar:  This one does not understand how one intends to throw a planetary based species out the airlock.

Javik:  It is simple, primitive, send the fleet to their homeworld, destroy their atmosphere, and they will be thrown out the airlock.

Hanar:  It will be done, your enkindledness.

Javik:  And when you're done, bring me their livers.

[Br3admax]

Forst1999 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

The Council is built up of elected officials who have no real, as in deserved by law, power. That sounds like a democracy to me. 

Who says the councilors are elected by their people? The turian councilor could just be appointed by the primarch, the asari councilor might be chosen as a compromise between the various asari goverments, etc.
The power of political offices doesn't decide whether it's a democracy or not, the office being held responsible to the people is the important factor. The councilors seem to be respresentatives of the gouvernments in an "international" organization.
The council doesn't claim to be the representatives of the galactic population, they are the delegates of the powers that can keep the galaxy peaceful. Most of the time they even succeed.

The Codex and the Councilor's themselves say otherwise. Especially the Salarian one, at least he was elected. 

[Han Shot First]

The Volus.

They played a massive role in the war effort by managing the galactic economy and keeping it afloat, despite the conquest and widespread destruction of many colonies and home worlds. As such after the Turians, Humans, and Asari, they played one of the largest roles in the war effort. You can't find a war without a deep war chest, and had the galactic economy gone belly up the Council species would have been finished. The Volus also played a vital role in the construction of the Crucible and fielded significant support fleets to war's final campaign.

They would certainly get a seat before the Quarians or Krogan. While both of those species also potentially played large roles in the war effort (particularly the Krogan), they also both start as outsiders. They were allies, rather than members of the Citadel. The Volus on the other hand have been associate members of the Citadel for thousands of years.

The main factor I'd see as working against the Volus getting a seat is their subordinate status to the Turians. The Volus getting a seat potentially disrupts that relationship and may end the protectorate status, as they'd now have a leader who was the peer of the most politically powerful Turian. As such, the Turians might oppose it as well as some Volus who'd prefer to maintain the status quo.

That being said Sparatus (or his replacement) is only one Councilor, and if the Human, Asari, and Salarian Councilor's vote "Yes" for the Volus gaining a seat, it is a done deal.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 10 septembre 2013 - 04:18 .

[KaiserShep]

It's too bad conferring with the Volus can be a bit exhausting.

"sssssssffffffffffffff I would like to discuss sssssssffffffffffffffffffff matters regarding sssssssssfffffffffffffff the sssssssssssssssssffffffffffffffffffffff..."

"Oh for the love of..."

[The Night Mammoth]

All of them. Every species did their part in the end. Even the salarians, whose government didn't help, deserve the chance.

[KaiserShep]

The Salarian government does help in the end, since in an optimal playthrough, Kirrahe (and by extension the STG) supports the war effort regardless of what the government says, and Thane's saving of the Salarian councilor gains his support.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 septembre 2013 - 04:28 .

[Propelled Rage]

Br3ad wrote...

The Codex and the Councilor's themselves say otherwise. Especially the Salarian one, at least he was elected. 

Well that failed in the case of humanity didn't it? Anderson as well as Udina weren't elected as such.

[Br3admax]

Propelled Rage wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

The Codex and the Councilor's themselves say otherwise. Especially the Salarian one, at least he was elected. 

Well that failed in the case of humanity didn't it? Anderson as well as Udina weren't elected as such.

Shepard is humanity, remember? 

[dublin omega 223]

Quarians followed by in this order Volus, Krogan, Batarians, Hanar and Elcor. While the Asari get kicked off for the Prothean Beacon on Thessia.

[Han Shot First]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Quarians followed by in this order Volus, Krogan, Batarians, Hanar and Elcor. While the Asari get kicked off for the Prothean Beacon on Thessia.

The Asari are far more deserving of a seat than the Quarians.

[Barquiel]

I think the Elcor have the best chance. They were said to have a larger economy than the Alliance, they're independent and the codex explains that the Elcor, "while not a military power like the Turians, have a small, but capable military". Maybe the Hanar too, but we don't know much about them.

The Volus are a client race of the Turians, including them would just double turian voting power.
The Quarians lack the significance for a seat on the council.
I think the Rachi will remain isolationist.
The Krogan have to form a stable goverment first.

[Propelled Rage]

Br3ad wrote...

Shepard is humanity, remember? 

Only Shepard's word wouldn't really count as a strict definition of election though. They didn't even asked any other admirals for there input.

[dublin omega 223]

Han Shot First wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Quarians followed by in this order Volus, Krogan, Batarians, Hanar and Elcor. While the Asari get kicked off for the Prothean Beacon on Thessia.

The Asari are far more deserving of a seat than the Quarians.

The Asari in my mind are hyprocrites, making a law that Prothean tech is to be shared and keep a Prothean Beacon for thmesleves so they could remain top dogs in Citadel space and the Quarians are more deserving of a seat. At the very least as an apology for the 300 years of not helping them at all after the Geth attacked, and threatening to wipe them out for settling on a planet without Council permission After the Council closed their embassy and kicked them out after the Geth uprising.

I always got the impression that the Council, if they could get away with it would wipe the Quarians completely in an ethnic cleansing. After all the racism the Quarians got, in my eyes was like what happened to the Jews before the Holocaust.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 10 septembre 2013 - 04:45 .

[ATiBotka]

No one. The council shouldn't even exist after ME3.

[Han Shot First]

All governments are hypocritical. The Asari Republics aren't exactly unique in that. The Asari are more deserving of a seat because after the Turians and the Alliance, they played the largest role in the Reapers' defeat.

As for the Morning War, that was no one's fault except the Quarians. It also wasn't the job of every other faction to lose blood and treasure in a war on the Quarians' behalf, particularly when it was Quarian circumvention of intergalactic law regarding artificial intelligences that led to the conflict in the first place.

[dublin omega 223]

Han Shot First wrote...

All governments are hypocritical. The Asari Republics aren't exactly unique in that. The Asari are more deserving of a seat because after the Turians and the Alliance, they played the largest role in the Reapers' defeat.

As for the Morning War, that was no one's fault except the Quarians. It also wasn't the job of every other faction to lose blood and treasure in a war on the Quarians' behalf, particularly when it was Quarian circumvention of intergalactic law regarding artificial intelligences that led to the conflict in the first place.

The Geth still wiped out billions of Quarian men, women and children and not just Quarians as mentioned in ME2 members of other species died to during the uprising.

Plus you don't punish the son for the sins of the father nor do you do that for nearly 10 generations, In my opinion every Quarian death after the uprising is on the Councils hands.

The Asari didn't do anything they were threatened directly by the Reapers. And in my playthroughs the Quarians contribute to ther war effort after all the Geth are wiped out and Legion is full of holes.

[General TSAR]

shodiswe wrote...

Geth.. Well, they would have both the military, population and financial assets with their strong economy if they want to be part of the greater galactic community.

Becomming an imporant partner in the galactic community would be strategicaly beneficial and ensure their future survival should the others allow it.

HAHAHAHA! Good joke, why not put a toaster on the Council? 

Assuming Council is around: Volus for their brilliant financial contributions.

Assuming Council is not around: No one, all races will follow Humanity's lead or get crushed under our heel.

Modifié par General TSAR, 10 septembre 2013 - 05:10 .

[Forst1999]

[quote]Br3ad wrote...

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The Codex and the Councilor's themselves say otherwise. Especially the Salarian one, at least he was elected. 

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I don't remember that. I'll search the codex, but could you elaborate when a councilor said that?

[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...

Geth.. Well, they would have both the military, population and financial assets with their strong economy if they want to be part of the greater galactic community.

Becomming an imporant partner in the galactic community would be strategicaly beneficial and ensure their future survival should the others allow it.

[Jukaga]

If Wrex-led and cured, the Krogans. If saved and sync'd, the Geth.

[Barquiel]

[quote]Forst1999 wrote...

[quote]Br3ad wrote...

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The Codex and the Councilor's themselves say otherwise. Especially the Salarian one, at least he was elected. 

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I don't remember that. I'll search the codex, but could you elaborate when a councilor said that?

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We know the Asari councilor is elected. According to the ME1 codex, she is the sole elected official of the Republics.