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[Sir DeLoria]

Fixers0 wrote...

As far as I'm concerend the new council rules with one voice only: Humanity!

Well, considering that humanity can get fried by the Crucible...

[Fixers0]

Necanor wrote...
Well, considering that humanity can get fried by the Crucible...

Not true.

[DarthLaxian]

Propelled Rage wrote...

Krogans 

no - i would offer a spot to the Quarians (they were almost there anyway IMHO (shaming them for the Geth was not the best idea the council had had in the past), and their ship-building expertise and large fleet can be a real asset to rebuilding the galaxy (transport-capacity, armed-patrols, guards for supply convoys and depots etc.)) - jointly with the Geth (if you did the peace-making)

greetings LAX
ps: the Krogan are not ready IMHO (they can have an embassy and SPECTRES (carefully chosen by Wrex and Grunt - in order not to get dumb-asses-with-guns that can't think and approach a situation without violence) like the humans had at the start of ME1

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 10 septembre 2013 - 08:56 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Fixers0 wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Well, considering that humanity can get fried by the Crucible...

Not true.

True, some of the colonies might still be left. In that case humanity would be even smaller in population than the Quarians.

[Fixers0]

Necanor wrote...
True, some of the colonies might still be left. In that case humanity would be even smaller in population than the Quarians.

Which is totally irrelevant.

[The Night Mammoth]

Fixers0 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
That's a truly frightening prospect.

But it is his will.

I don't know or care who 'he' is, humans ruling or leading the galaxy is still a frightening prospect.

[Sir DeLoria]

Fixers0 wrote...

Necanor wrote...
True, some of the colonies might still be left. In that case humanity would be even smaller in population than the Quarians.

Which is totally irrelevant.

Sure, they'd still have a seat, but it wouldn't work with the whole "human domination" concept.

[Br3admax]

Wut? There are tons of humans left even with Earth gone. The Reapers haven't even began to really depopulate Earth, a process that would have taken a decade; it has been a few months, which stood at over 11 billion. You're grossly underestimating your own species. Xenolovers, the lot of yous. Even with a fried Earth, which doesn't happen, humanity is fine. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 10 septembre 2013 - 08:59 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Wut? There are tons of humans left even with Earth gone. The Reapers haven't even began to really depopulate Earth, a process that would have taken a decade; it has been a few months, which stood at over 11 billion. You're grossly underestimating your own species. Xenolovers, the lot of yous. Even with a fried Earth, which doesn't happen, humanity is fine. 

I'm just talking about the Low EMS Destroy/Control ending. The Crucible kills all life on Earth and the vast majority of humanity happens to live there. I'm not advocating it, I'm just coming back at the 'human dominance' concept.

[Fixers0]

Necanor wrote...

Sure, they'd still have a seat, but it wouldn't work with the whole "human domination" concept.

Why not? May I remind you that in the lowest possible EMS ending, Humans only humans characters are shown

[Sir DeLoria]

Fixers0 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Sure, they'd still have a seat, but it wouldn't work with the whole "human domination" concept.

Why not? May I remind you that in the lowest possible EMS ending, Humans only humans characters are shown

But the other species would be way more powerful and wouldn't let themselves be controlled by humans.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wut? There are tons of humans left even with Earth gone. The Reapers haven't even began to really depopulate Earth, a process that would have taken a decade; it has been a few months, which stood at over 11 billion. You're grossly underestimating your own species. Xenolovers, the lot of yous. Even with a fried Earth, which doesn't happen, humanity is fine. 

I'm just talking about the Low EMS Destroy/Control ending. The Crucible kills all life on Earth and the vast majority of humanity happens to live there. I'm not advocating it, I'm just coming back at the 'human dominance' concept.

Humans deserve to be dominate. Turians became the powerhouse by saving the galaxy once. We've saved it three goddamn times. I want some recongnition.  

[Fixers0]

Necanor wrote...
But the other species would be way more powerful and wouldn't let themselves be controlled by humans.

And you  are able to deduce that of what...? All we know that the Crucible's beam is more destructive then anticipated.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Sure, they'd still have a seat, but it wouldn't work with the whole "human domination" concept.

Why not? May I remind you that in the lowest possible EMS ending, Humans only humans characters are shown

But the other species would be way more powerful and wouldn't let themselves be controlled by humans.

No. Almost all the armies are near the Cruicible when it goes off. It's not like they get off scot free. 

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wut? There are tons of humans left even with Earth gone. The Reapers haven't even began to really depopulate Earth, a process that would have taken a decade; it has been a few months, which stood at over 11 billion. You're grossly underestimating your own species. Xenolovers, the lot of yous. Even with a fried Earth, which doesn't happen, humanity is fine. 

I'm just talking about the Low EMS Destroy/Control ending. The Crucible kills all life on Earth and the vast majority of humanity happens to live there. I'm not advocating it, I'm just coming back at the 'human dominance' concept.

Humans deserve to be dominate. Turians became the powerhouse by saving the galaxy once. We've saved it three goddamn times. I want some recongnition.  

To be fair, during the Reaper war, the Humans and Turians contributed the most IMO. Palaven and Earth were where most of the fighting was. 

[Fixers0]

And now that were speaking about it, I'm really disapointed that Bioware missed the opertunity of more varied endings, Like the missing Renegade Human-dominance destroy ending, were Alliance ships are seen Annexing the space above Palaven and were Asari prisoners can be seen in an Alliance internement camp.

[JonathonPR]

The Volus. Maybe then there would be someone with an understanding of economics on the council.

[shodiswe]

DarthLaxian wrote...

Propelled Rage wrote...

Krogans 

no - i would offer a spot to the Quarians (they were almost there anyway IMHO (shaming them for the Geth was not the best idea the council had had in the past), and their ship-building expertise and large fleet can be a real asset to rebuilding the galaxy (transport-capacity, armed-patrols, guards for supply convoys and depots etc.)) - jointly with the Geth (if you did the peace-making)

greetings LAX
ps: the Krogan are not ready IMHO (they can have an embassy and SPECTRES (carefully chosen by Wrex and Grunt - in order not to get dumb-asses-with-guns that can't think and approach a situation without violence) like the humans had at the start of ME1

Makes me wonder what happens when a Krogan spectre goes shopping for spicy noodles and can't stand waiting in line

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:03 .

[shodiswe]

Necanor wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Well, considering that humanity can get fried by the Crucible...

Not true.

True, some of the colonies might still be left. In that case humanity would be even smaller in population than the Quarians.

I think that wave did as much damage to the rest of the galaxy, it wasn't the pwoer of the wave that destroyed earth, it was the damge to the crusible making the shockwave poorly tuned and indiscriminate.

Meaning it will do the same at every relay burning every world in it's path. Now EMS Destroy is like Refuse, only you get to kill of 99% of the galaxy instead of letting the Reapers do the job.

Every homeworld, every colony.... Which is why there are no slides showing people rebuild when you do low EMS Destroy. No people living hapily ever after.

a long, long, long time later new life will emerge that might become spacefaring, who might find some bardly charred remains of past civilizations, but due to the massive damage and long time sicne these civilizations were destroyed very little will remain. It likely wont be 50 000 years but more likely millions of years for lower organisms to grow a spine or whatever...

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:10 .

[shodiswe]

Fixers0 wrote...

And now that were speaking about it, I'm really disapointed that Bioware missed the opertunity of more varied endings, Like the missing Renegade Human-dominance destroy ending, were Alliance ships are seen Annexing the space above Palaven and were Asari prisoners can be seen in an Alliance internement camp.

No, that would be something for the far future where the species who thinks itself specialy choosen by god goes out there and enslaves everyone else because they arn't even truly alive, more like beasts. The Protean way, where you could even eat others because they were primitives and beasts or entertainment.

[Propelled Rage]

DarthLaxian wrote...

Propelled Rage wrote...

Krogans 

no - i would offer a spot to the Quarians (they were almost there anyway IMHO (shaming them for the Geth was not the best idea the council had had in the past), and their ship-building expertise and large fleet can be a real asset to rebuilding the galaxy (transport-capacity, armed-patrols, guards for supply convoys and depots etc.)) - jointly with the Geth (if you did the peace-making)

greetings LAX
ps: the Krogan are not ready IMHO (they can have an embassy and SPECTRES (carefully chosen by Wrex and Grunt - in order not to get dumb-asses-with-guns that can't think and approach a situation without violence) like the humans had at the start of ME1

Yeah Quarians would be a good choice but only if there was a certainty that only admiral Koris would be given the nod. I think the rest of the admirals don't even a semblance of idea how to handle intergalactic politics.

And it'd be the same with Krogans, I don't think Eve would be a bad choice as councilor, with Wrex as ambassador. But yeah the only thing they can offer is numbers and brute force as opposed to the tech expertise of Quarians.

Modifié par Propelled Rage, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:49 .

[THECOLONEL7]

Krogans and Quarians

[shodiswe]

Propelled Rage wrote...

DarthLaxian wrote...

Propelled Rage wrote...

Krogans 

no - i would offer a spot to the Quarians (they were almost there anyway IMHO (shaming them for the Geth was not the best idea the council had had in the past), and their ship-building expertise and large fleet can be a real asset to rebuilding the galaxy (transport-capacity, armed-patrols, guards for supply convoys and depots etc.)) - jointly with the Geth (if you did the peace-making)

greetings LAX
ps: the Krogan are not ready IMHO (they can have an embassy and SPECTRES (carefully chosen by Wrex and Grunt - in order not to get dumb-asses-with-guns that can't think and approach a situation without violence) like the humans had at the start of ME1

Yeah Quarians would be a good choice but only if there was a certainty that only admiral Koris would be given the nod. I think the rest of the admirals don't even a semblance of idea how to handle intergalactic politics.

And it'd be the same with Krogans, I don't think Eve would be a bad choice as councilor, with Wrex as ambassador. But yeah the only thing they can offer is numbers and brute force as opposed to the tech expertise of Quarians.

The main problem I got with the Quarians is that they lack a large enough population to have a large enough GDP to support the requierments of a council species. Unless ofcourse they share it with the Geth.
It was said that the Quarian fleet is falling appart and that in a few decades or a century it would be beyond repair unless they can manage to replace their ships.
Which was also one of the reasons they were getting so irrational and desperate. Desperation doesn't justify ones actions but it explains it, somewhat.

[Massa FX]

Under destroy -
Javik
Volus
Elcor
Krogan
Edit: Quarians & Hanar too. Each race should be represented. Even Leviathan.

Under control - Harbinger
Under synthesis - abolish the council

Modifié par Massa FX, 11 septembre 2013 - 07:11 .