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[shodiswe]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Why was it justified to kick the Quarians off the Citadel?

You can't have an embassy for a planet you no longer have.

That wouldn't be a problem if the Council had given them a new planet.
Not being in control of your original territory doesn't stop Taiwan being in the UN.

Maybe because they broke Council law and then tried to sneak onto another planet like nothing happened. And then when they were caught, they tried to do the right thing.

Yes, because refugees should be exterminated because they're on other people's property.

"Sorry Syrian family of 12, you're trespassing on my patch of desert, go away or I'll shoot you."

Oh wait, they weren't even doing that, it was a completely uninhabited planet of no value to anyone.

They could not have even lived there for a long time. The planet has far to hostile a living enviroment for the quarians to live there long term. 

So? It's better than no planet at all.

I think one of the problems was that it wasn't a dextro world, it was a heavy gravity world which the Elcor are adapted to, which makes it ideal for Elcor. The Quarians didn't explore the world they just sneaked there after others discovered it and the council was processing the colonial claims and negotiationg with the Elcor.
I think the people who paid for the expedition wanted soem kind of pay from the elcor or whoever else settled the planet and the council wanted the planet to be settled by the species that best fit the bill for the planet in question.

The Quarians just skiped the whole negotiation process and slipped down planetside and started setting up their operations, possibly involving stripmining since they certainly can't eat non dextro flora or fauna, it would be poison to them.
But the planet was very mineral rich, a threasurethrove in minerals and the Quarians probably thought they could get away with it before anyone could act and that noone would notice until it was too late.
After all, they woldn't be so concerned about destroying a non-dextro planet that was like poison to them, but their people needed supplies to repair their ships that were falling appart.

Modifié par shodiswe, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:23 .

[Br3admax]

FYI, don't pretend that you want to be a Council race and then think that you can just take planets in Council space.

Modifié par Br3ad, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:27 .

[shodiswe]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FYI The Quarians discovered Ekuna in the first place, so it should belong to them in the first place.

Mass Effect Wiki wrote...
First discovered by the quarians at the turn of the century, Ekuna is habitable but a second-tier choice for most species.

@shodiswe

True, but the Elcor weren't on the brink of extinction like the Quarians were, I think they could have waited until a different planet was found.

I can't see how a colonization claim by the Quarians for a world with 4.1 G gravity would even be considered serious. I hope the council paid them for their work in finding it though, there should be some kind of finders fee to promote exploration.
They Quarians coudln't have lived their whole lives enveloped in massive mass effect fields to stop them from serious healthissues of getting crushed beneath their own weight and serious hearth strain cirulatory problems.
Also it wasn't a dextro world, a barren moon would almost have been abetter choice... Seriously!

I guess they really wanted the mineral wealth of that planet.

[Br3admax]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

FYI, don't pretend that you want to be a Council race and then think that you can just take planets in Council space.

Why should the Council be allowed to just suddenly grab planets that the Quarians own? Ekuna is on the other side of the galaxy from Council Space anyway.

You obviously don't get how claims work. The pioneers couldn't just walk to the other side of the country and take land owned by the US governement, even if no one lived on it. 

[shodiswe]

Br3ad wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

FYI, don't pretend that you want to be a Council race and then think that you can just take planets in Council space.

Why should the Council be allowed to just suddenly grab planets that the Quarians own? Ekuna is on the other side of the galaxy from Council Space anyway.

You obviously don't get how claims work. The pioneers couldn't just walk to the other side of the country and take land owned by the US governement, even if no one lived on it. 

Yeah, there will always be those with bigger guns telling you they want a share or stake in it. The natural order of things.
But, seriously, trying to hold onto a world that's so uninhabitable to your species is the same thign as asking for trouble. Like I said, I hope the Council and/or the Elcor paid for the exploration work.
It's unfortunate that the Quarians didn't do more exploring work.
They might have found what they needed eventualy.

Modifié par shodiswe, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:38 .

[Barquiel]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

FYI, don't pretend that you want to be a Council race and then think that you can just take planets in Council space.

Why should the Council be allowed to just suddenly grab planets that the Quarians own? Ekuna is on the other side of the galaxy from Council Space anyway.

The quarians knew exactly that the system was in council space...or there would have been no reason to inform the council that they've colonized the planet. We know the council races don't much care for folks settling in the Terminus systems.

[shodiswe]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FYI The Quarians discovered Ekuna in the first place, so it should belong to them in the first place.

Mass Effect Wiki wrote...
First discovered by the quarians at the turn of the century, Ekuna is habitable but a second-tier choice for most species.

@shodiswe

True, but the Elcor weren't on the brink of extinction like the Quarians were, I think they could have waited until a different planet was found.

I can't see how a colonization claim by the Quarians for a world with 4.1 G gravity would even be considered serious. I hope the council paid them for their work in finding it though, there should be some kind of finders fee to promote exploration.
They Quarians coudln't have lived their whole lives enveloped in massive mass effect fields to stop them from serious healthissues of getting crushed beneath their own weight and serious hearth strain cirulatory problems.
Also it wasn't a dextro world, a barren moon would almost have been abetter choice... Seriously!

I guess they really wanted the mineral wealth of that planet.

It would still be enough give them some form of an economy, and would allow them to re-apply for Citadel membership.

To me it looks like a really poor Quarian decision, maybe they just wanted to know if occupying a planet would work if they found something else. Though this was a very poor test subject seeing how much of a provocation it would have been to the council since it borderline uninhabitable by Quarians unless they add massive masseffect fields aroudn every structure, vehicle and bodyarmor to keep them safe in the environment. It can't be cost efficient.

So couple that with the view the public and politicians got of the Quarians like that Volus who thought the Quarian girl had stolen his credit chit and that C-sec guard. Then throw in that they occupy a planet on which they are poorly fit to survive and the only possible reason would be strip mining.

Modifié par shodiswe, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:48 .

[shodiswe]

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Since it wasn't fit for Quarians my guess was that they planned to start one of their stripming operations on an inhabitable world. Those are protected by council law.
It would have made the world less habitable by later colonists, like the Elcor.
The Quarians are known for such things, and their defence is that they are desperate for resources.
Not a Dextro world, heavy gravity... However it was rich on minerals.

Have you ever considered that you do the exact same thing throughout all of ME2? In order to get the enormous amounts of ressources required for the most high-end research projects in the galaxy, you need to stripmine many dozen worlds. I also highly doubt all of these Cerberus mining operations were legal. 

I think they were mostly picking up large outcropping of surface mineral rock. Not stripmining.
I don't think Shepard was running these kinds of operations from his little frigate by dropping probes to retrieve materials.
http://corymorgan.co...trip_mining.jpg

I'm thinking in the lines of
http://images4.wikia...inerals_01.jpeg
Where you pickup the outcropping of a protruding vein.
These existed on earth before man started mining and processing them, then eventualy we had to dig deaper to find more.

Modifié par shodiswe, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:54 .

[shodiswe]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

FYI, don't pretend that you want to be a Council race and then think that you can just take planets in Council space.

Why should the Council be allowed to just suddenly grab planets that the Quarians own? Ekuna is on the other side of the galaxy from Council Space anyway.

You obviously don't get how claims work. The pioneers couldn't just walk to the other side of the country and take land owned by the US governement, even if no one lived on it. 

A lot of the time that land didn't belong to either of them... 

Besides, it didn't stop the Alliance from colonizing planets that already belonged to another Citadel race, but the Council didn't bat an eyelid over that and frankly, the Quarians have far more claim to Ekuna than humanity did on any one of the Traverse planets. 

It's not like if the USA was invaded tomorrow, the UN would decide to forcibly take over Alaska and repopulate it with penquins.

Penquins in Alaska? never heard of that. Where do Penquins signup for aquiering new land they have never inhabited before?

[Br3admax]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

FYI, don't pretend that you want to be a Council race and then think that you can just take planets in Council space.

Why should the Council be allowed to just suddenly grab planets that the Quarians own? Ekuna is on the other side of the galaxy from Council Space anyway.

You obviously don't get how claims work. The pioneers couldn't just walk to the other side of the country and take land owned by the US governement, even if no one lived on it. 

A lot of the time that land didn't belong to either of them... 

Besides, it didn't stop the Alliance from colonizing planets that already belonged to another Citadel race, but the Council didn't bat an eyelid over that and frankly, the Quarians have far more claim to Ekuna than humanity did on any one of the Traverse planets. 

It's not like if the USA was invaded tomorrow, the UN would decide to forcibly take over Alaska and repopulate it with penquins.

This makes no sense.

Also, the batarians had no claim to the planets. They, like the quarians, just told the Council that they would go there and tat it was there. Big surprise that the Council did not approve. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

This makes no sense.

Also, the batarians had no claim to the planets. They, like the quarians, just told the Council that they would go there and tat it was there. Big surprise that the Council did not approve. 

They began actively settling at the same time as the Alliance.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

This makes no sense.

Also, the batarians had no claim to the planets. They, like the quarians, just told the Council that they would go there and tat it was there. Big surprise that the Council did not approve. 

They began actively settling at the same time as the Alliance.

That wasn't the point at all. It's the fact that they threw a hissy fit and then ran away with their tongues stuck out when they didn't get their way. 

[shodiswe]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

FYI, don't pretend that you want to be a Council race and then think that you can just take planets in Council space.

Why should the Council be allowed to just suddenly grab planets that the Quarians own? Ekuna is on the other side of the galaxy from Council Space anyway.

You obviously don't get how claims work. The pioneers couldn't just walk to the other side of the country and take land owned by the US governement, even if no one lived on it. 

A lot of the time that land didn't belong to either of them... 

Besides, it didn't stop the Alliance from colonizing planets that already belonged to another Citadel race, but the Council didn't bat an eyelid over that and frankly, the Quarians have far more claim to Ekuna than humanity did on any one of the Traverse planets. 

It's not like if the USA was invaded tomorrow, the UN would decide to forcibly take over Alaska and repopulate it with penquins.

Penquins in Alaska? never heard of that. Where do Penquins signup for aquiering new land they have never inhabited before?

Same place as the Elcor.

I love Penquins, I'll help them file a request! It would have to include a request to remove all landliving predators aswell since they can't fend those off well enough.

Modifié par shodiswe, 12 septembre 2013 - 05:01 .

[Seival]

MysticSpace wrote...

Who should get a seat on the council next?

Talking animals.

Modifié par Seival, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:53 .

[Br3admax]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
This makes no sense.

Also, the batarians had no claim to the planets. They, like the quarians, just told the Council that they would go there and tat it was there. Big surprise that the Council did not approve. 

The Batarians were still a Council race, Humans weren't back then, and the Council already claims ownership of the Attican Traverse.
I don't see why they shoud get anal with the Quarians when they try to land on a planet, while doing nothing as a non-Council race started taking planets left right and centrel, which by your logic, were already 'claimed' by the Citadel.

Also, Ekuna is far, far outside of Citadel Space, way out in the Terminus Systems near Geth space, so it seems ridiculous that they could call the shots on the other side of known space.
The Quarians found the planet after they were kicked off the Citadel anyway, so its not a Council matter.

On the Quarians finding other worlds, two problems:

1. It's probable that 99% of known planets are barren, uninhabitable rocks. They were lucky finding Ekuna.

2. All the habitable worlds close to Mass Relays have already been discovered and presumably claimed. The Quarians would have to either find a planet in the ass-end of deep space, nearly cut off from the rest of the galaxy, or open up new Mass Relays, which would incure the wrath of the Council.

1. That's area is still part of Council space. Also, humanity was a Council Associate Race then. Alliance Space was Council Space. And the Batarians were never a Council race. Merely another associate that dreamed too big.

2. Sucks to be the quarians. They shouldn't be given planets because they were stupid. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

2. Sucks to be the quarians. They shouldn't be given planets because they were stupid. 

Hah, good reason /sarcasm

[RZIBARA]

lol at all the butthurt quarian fans.

I agree with Br3ad