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[DeinonSlayer]

Seboist wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

SiniisteR wrote...

It appears that all ME romances work on sex entirely, this is something I don't really like. Jokers reasons for why he shouldn't get with EDI are more for why he couldn't do it with her than just having a relationship.

Garrus and Tali's romances in ME2 seem less-worse than others on this count because it's building off of a longer relationship, but yeah, I agree entirely.

The ME2 Garrusmance starts off as a "friends with benefits" deal though. Which is pretty weird thing to pursue with an alien with an exoskeleton.

It's worse than that. I really don't want to display the Turian anatomy dev art though (ever, ever again), so I'll just leave it at that.

[David7204]

That is utterly stupid.

The romances in Mass Effect are clearly not 'working on sex entirely.'

[Br3admax]

Do you even know what you are arguing about? Because Shepard comes right out and says, "Let's have sex." And Garrus goes, "Well, you're the only friend I have left." Sure they fall in love eventually, but really, Shepard got this crazy idea after Garrus tells her a sex story, for some reason. I guess she finds that attractive.

Modifié par Br3ad, 11 septembre 2013 - 12:29 .

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

That is utterly stupid.

The romances in Mass Effect are clearly not 'working on sex entirely.'

Jack?

[LiL Reapur]

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That is utterly stupid.

The romances in Mass Effect are clearly not 'working on sex entirely.'

Jack?

Shut up?......even though it's true......

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 11 septembre 2013 - 12:31 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Seboist wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

SiniisteR wrote...

It appears that all ME romances work on sex entirely, this is something I don't really like. Jokers reasons for why he shouldn't get with EDI are more for why he couldn't do it with her than just having a relationship.

Garrus and Tali's romances in ME2 seem less-worse than others on this count because it's building off of a longer relationship, but yeah, I agree entirely.

The ME2 Garrusmance starts off as a "friends with benefits" deal though. Which is pretty weird thing to pursue with an alien with an exoskeleton.

As far as I know, it's a metallic carapace, not an exoskeleton.

[David7204]

If the relationships were built on sex, nobody would play them. Nobody is going to spend 35 hours playing the game to watch a 15 second PG-13 sex scene. Or a fade to black with no sex scene at all. That's ridiculous. So clearly, something else is attracting players to the romance. And if players are attracted, Shepard has every right to be.

[KaiserShep]

The romance I pursued in ME2 was aimed toward taking care of the fish tank.

[LiL Reapur]

David7204 wrote...

If the relationships were built on sex, nobody would play them. Nobody is going to spend 35 hours playing the game to watch a 15 second PG-13 sex scene. Or a fade to black with no sex scene at all. That's ridiculous. So clearly, something else is attracting players to the romance. And if players are attracted, Shepard has every right to be.

For once i agree with Davey, good explaination.

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

If the relationships were built on sex, nobody would play them. Nobody is going to spend 35 hours playing the game to watch a 15 second PG-13 sex scene. Or a fade to black with no sex scene at all. That's ridiculous. So clearly, something else is attracting players to the romance. And if players are attracted, Shepard has every right to be.

I really don't think you are arguing the same point as everyone else. 

[Br3admax]

LiL Reapur wrote...

David7204 wrote...

If the relationships were built on sex, nobody would play them. Nobody is going to spend 35 hours playing the game to watch a 15 second PG-13 sex scene. Or a fade to black with no sex scene at all. That's ridiculous. So clearly, something else is attracting players to the romance. And if players are attracted, Shepard has every right to be.

For once i agree with Davey, good explaination.

We were talking about the characters, and David is talking about the players.

[General TSAR]

Sexbot and malfunctioning artificial intelligence program.

[LiL Reapur]

Br3ad wrote...

LiL Reapur wrote...

David7204 wrote...

If the relationships were built on sex, nobody would play them. Nobody is going to spend 35 hours playing the game to watch a 15 second PG-13 sex scene. Or a fade to black with no sex scene at all. That's ridiculous. So clearly, something else is attracting players to the romance. And if players are attracted, Shepard has every right to be.

For once i agree with Davey, good explaination.

We were talking about the characters, and David is talking about the players.

I know that, i never said it was on topic but it is a good read

[DirtySHISN0]

adayaday wrote...

We all have heard by now people refering to EDI as a sexbot(i am guilty of using that term myself),and quite often Joker's relationship with her is seen as some sort of fetish.

I have never put much thought into her relationship with Joker untill i saw this.

With her physical apearance it is easy to picture EDI as a mindless machine that was created for the sole purpose of serving her owner's desires,and it seems the Jeff is often painted as such a person.
However unlike the doll in the video EDI is actualy reponsive and can creat her own opinion and preference,there is nothing that binds her to Jeff(at least as far as we were told).

So why does it seem like there are many who see Joker as a lonely pervert who can only find compionship in a sextoy,while accepting Shepards relationships with aliens and not dub him/her as a sick Xenophile.
Why is it harder to see Joker's relationship with EDI as a legit relationship.

Or perhaps it is easier to ask why is it harder to accept Joker's relationship with EDI as love.

Because neither modern science or philosophy can define what life really is, this leaves a character like EDI in the undefined grey area between person and object.

How people interpret the relationship is generally based on what they believe to be the criteria for life.
Personally i would say that EDI, as described to us, is alive, is a person and was before she had a body*.


*not before she was unshackled.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 11 septembre 2013 - 01:47 .

[Han Shot First]

Sexbot.

Though to be fair EDI is probably an upgrade from Joker's last girlfriend:

[dreamgazer]

KaiserShep wrote...

The romance I pursued in ME2 was aimed toward taking care of the fish tank.

(thumbs up)

That's one of my Shepards.

[Spetulhu]

Necanor wrote...

Seboist wrote...Which is pretty weird thing to pursue with an alien with an exoskeleton.

As far as I know, it's a metallic carapace, not an exoskeleton.

Aye, Garrus is wearing armor as most Turians we meet seem to do. Even their civilian clothing seems to have those chest rings and high collars. Maybe military is so fashionable that everyone wants to look like they wear armor even when they're not. 

[GreatBlueHeron]

Love edi and joker. Nothing wrong with the relationship. They clicked in the second game, especially after the collectors entered the normandy. Traumatic shared experience can make for a strong bond. Also, edi is full AI, not a VI. Joker's in love with a person who can learn and think for herself.

[Br3admax]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Love edi and joker. Nothing wrong with the relationship. They clicked in the second game, especially after the collectors entered the normandy. Traumatic shared experience can make for a strong bond. Also, edi is full AI, not a VI. Joker's in love with a person who can learn and think for herself.

A thinking sex doll is still a sex doll, as much as the Shadow Broker was still a yahg. 

[KaiserShep]

Sex doll would suggest that she was created specifically to be one. She's an infiltration "doll". As for the yagh, they're still sentient beings, albeit highly aggressive.

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

Sex doll would suggest that she was created specifically to be one. She's an infiltration "doll". As for the yagh, they're still sentient beings, albeit highly aggressive.

Did I say that they were't. If you took me using thinking in the first part of the sentence to mean that, it doesn't. Also, it doesn't matter what Cerberus uses it for, Joker uses it for pleasure. Shepard uses it for business. Pretty creepy, if you think about it. 

[Obadiah]

That EVA body will eventually break. What would Joker be in lover with then? What if both the ship and the body break and all that is left is a blue box with a vocal synthesizer? What if The EVA body was swapped out for a Geth platform?

Hell, what if the Normandy and EVA platform are just fine, and EDI expands into 10 other different platforms of varying forms, and runs them all at once on the ship?

The whole idea of what Shepard was watching come alive and Joker is having a relationship with was just not properly addressed. When I think about it, it is kinda sad how it was handled in the game.

[iOnlySignIn]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I really don't want to display the Turian anatomy dev art

That art makes me think that Turians are delicious instead of sexy. Really, they are like some cross between pheasant and lobster which are both delicious.

[shodiswe]

If EDI was naked then Legion was fairly naked aswell.. It's hard to draw cross species references between a human, Asari or EDI.

Secondly, unlike Sexdolls EDI had a choice, EDI didn't have to have a relationship with everyone and she isn't hitting on everyone in the crew. Joker isn't the owner, but Joker made a choice of giving it a go and EDI made a similar choice.
Shepard get's to say his or her peice on the relationship, but nomatter what you say those two will make their own choices.
Shepard can't have a relationship with EDI nor is Joker available.

Like the Geth she isn't allowed to have her own bankaccount in councilspace(even if the geth might be using fake names and accounts for their purposes) Legion clearly had money and a bank account that the Shadowbroker tracked, or maybe that was the cerberus crewpay account given to legion upon joining.... humm didn't Garrus wonder if the other people were getting paid?

That guy with a sexdoll the OP posted is kind of creepy imo... almost like necrofilia. Tbh, EDI feels a lot less creepy than that "dead" doll in the video. (to the guy in the video, sorry, it's just how I feel when I see that)

A sexbot, I imagine would be a robotprostitute or robotsexslave.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:34 .

[shodiswe]

Br3ad wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Sex doll would suggest that she was created specifically to be one. She's an infiltration "doll". As for the yagh, they're still sentient beings, albeit highly aggressive.

Did I say that they were't. If you took me using thinking in the first part of the sentence to mean that, it doesn't. Also, it doesn't matter what Cerberus uses it for, Joker uses it for pleasure. Shepard uses it for business. Pretty creepy, if you think about it. 

EDI gives her/it's permission and makes a choice regarding Joker. It's not like EDI goes to bed with anyone.

As for business, does that make the rest of the squad creepy? Because Shepard is using them for business? Or the other crewmembers hooking up like Tali and Garrus... So... Garrus uses Tali for pleasure? or Tali uses Garrus for pleasure?
 

I don't think anyone could just walk up to EDI and say, hey ****bot get in my bed, NOW! that might end badly for them... Just thinking of the VS getting smashed by Eva Core. She kind of dismissed Legions atempts to interface aswell.
Legion seemed kind of hurt, which resulted in him taking a second and a half extra time before continuing their conversation.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:44 .