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[David7204]

Yes, really. All the squadmates are brave. That's without question. All the squadmates are physically fit. That's without question. All the squadmates are dedicated. That's without question. Being in the military does not magically give you those traits.

[Wulfram]

David7204 wrote...

Are you so sure?

Would romances be compelling if the squadmates were 'really ugly'? Would players be as drawn to them in general?

I'm talking about effective squadmates as in their ability to function as what amounts to elite commandoes, not in a meta way.

Ugly characters maybe wouldn't be good LIs, though Garrus is an interesting counterpoint.  I don't think that's a requirement to be good squadmates, though.  From either an in-universe or out of universe perspective.  And EDI isn't an LI for the player, and she probably shouldn't have been either ugly or attractive, but something that defied conventional human categorisation.

Modifié par Wulfram, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:20 .

[David7204]

All this boils down to is you demanding that the existence of beauty is a bad thing.

Beauty in the abstract is pretty much good by definition. You know, you think of something like a goddess or a nymph. In the myths, they always exist above humanity, or in isolation from it. Goddesses aren't beautiful for any particular reason, they aren't beautiful for man's benefit, they just are.

But when people consider man-made beauty, the tend to look at the apparent motivations and get angry. Why is she beautiful? It must be to seduce me! To get my money! To get my attention! How dare she! The fact that she put effort into it must be proof! A goddess is beautiful simply because she is. But the woman who put effort into it must have done it for a reason.

If you haven't noticed, basically any attractive character gets a backlash. They get accusations that they must have been attractive for attention. For advertising. For 13-year-old boys and basement dwellers.

The logic is pretty much as follows:

- Alice is attractive.

- Alice doesn't have to be attractive! Her character would function without it! The story would function without it! The developers must have made her attractive for a reason!

- Alice must be attractive because the developers want to bring in basement-dwelling teenagers! It's so obvious!

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, really. All the squadmates are brave. That's without question. All the squadmates are physically fit. That's without question. All the squadmates are dedicated. That's without question. Being in the military does not magically give you those traits.

Why would you be in the military without those traits? You are not allowed into the millitary without most of those traits. The last being brave. You can hide that.

[Sir DeLoria]

 Miranda and Ash both had great bodies, but I can't speak for their faces:whistle:

Their skin-tight catsuits were ridiculous and over the top. They tried too hard in making Miranda a femme fatale.

[David7204]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm talking about effective squadmates as in their ability to function as what amounts to elite commandoes, not in a meta way.

Ugly characters maybe wouldn't be good LIs, though Garrus is an interesting counterpoint.  I don't think that's a requirement to be good squadmates, though.  From either an in-universe or out of universe perspective.

For the record, I find Garrus incredibly handsome.

And no, being attractive is clearly not a requirement. Javik, Wrex, and Grunt aren't attractive.

[David7204]

Br3ad wrote...


Why would you be in the military without those traits? You are not allowed into the millitary without most of those traits. The last being brave. You can hide that.

You're very seriously overestimating the competence of people in the military. And perhaps of people in general.

The characters in Mass Effect all do incredible things. It's not something any bum off the street could do.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

 Miranda and Ash both had great bodies, but I can't speak for their faces:whistle:

Their skin-tight catsuits were ridiculous and over the top. They tried too hard in making Miranda a femme fatale.

There's nothing wrong with their faces. Nothing that isn't wrong with Tali's face.


TROLL ATTEMPT FAIL!!!!

Modifié par Br3ad, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:23 .

[rashie]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, really. All the squadmates are brave. That's without question. All the squadmates are physically fit. That's without question. All the squadmates are dedicated. That's without question. Being in the military does not magically give you those traits.

You dont even end up in the military in the first place without having these traits, combining weak minded/unstable invidiuals and firearms is something the military would never do.

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

 Miranda and Ash both had great bodies, but I can't speak for their faces:whistle:

Their skin-tight catsuits were ridiculous and over the top. They tried too hard in making Miranda a femme fatale.

There's nothing wrong with their faces. Nothing that isn't wrong with Tali's face.


TROLL ATTEMPT FAIL!!!!

Miranda's face looks extremely awkward at times. Ash is just a little butch for my taste:?

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...


Why would you be in the military without those traits? You are not allowed into the millitary without most of those traits. The last being brave. You can hide that.

You're very seriously overestimating the competence of people in the military. And perhaps of people in general.

The characters in Mass Effect all do incredible things. It's not something any bum off the street could do.

You cannot be in the military without being physically fit. What world do you live in?
Bums off the street are not usually in the millitary.


Do you even think or read before you post ****** comments?(rhetorical since we all know that the answer is no.) 

[TheMyron]

Br3ad wrote...

That's just a bad photo of her. She's not that ugly.

Its best to believe that she is ugly, considering she gets killed.

[David7204]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

David, you are making a lot of assumptions. I never said that. I simply said that their characters had a lot of sex appeal and that it is not necessairly needed in the games. Just like EDI. Her story arc would've been fine without. It's whatever though, I didn't lose my mind when she did get her body.

Could the same not be said for any attractive character in any work of fiction in existence? "Why were they made attractive? They didn't have to be attractive! It must be for basement dwellers and 13 year old boys!!!"

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

You know, is it really necessary to have two or three cheerleaders in this thread whining about me?

Is this something you all are proud of? Being little lickspittles for whoever I'm actually having a discussion with?

Really, it's sad. And it's annoying. Why don't you all take your little clique somewhere else?

Does that make you feel powerful David?

[RZIBARA]

Necanor wrote...

 Miranda and Ash both had great bodies, but I can't speak for their faces:whistle:

Their skin-tight catsuits were ridiculous and over the top. They tried too hard in making Miranda a femme fatale.

ashley wasnt sexualized in me1 and me2. 

Yes they gave her a ridiculous catsuit in me3, but you can simply switch to her armour. Meaning the only time you see her in it by that way is during the coup.

Mitanda on the other hand...

[David7204]

Do people in this thread seriously believe that people in the military could do any of the things characters in Mass Effect do simply because they're in the military?

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

 Miranda and Ash both had great bodies, but I can't speak for their faces:whistle:

Their skin-tight catsuits were ridiculous and over the top. They tried too hard in making Miranda a femme fatale.

There's nothing wrong with their faces. Nothing that isn't wrong with Tali's face.


TROLL ATTEMPT FAIL!!!!

Miranda's face looks extremely awkward at times. Ash is just a little butch for my taste:?

Tali has the feet of a chicken, the hands of a claw machine, and the eyes of a fish/lizard. She also has some weird thing going on with her chest. Really at this point, you're just being jerkish; both Miranda and Ashley are fine. 

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Do people in this thread seriously believe that people in the military could do any of the things characters in Mass Effect do simply because they're in the military?

You don't have to be in a game to be physically fit, brave, or determined. Try harder to troll harder, David. 

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

And no, being attractive is clearly not a requirement. Javik, Wrex, and Grunt aren't attractive.

Dunno, man. I could see this face on the cover of next month's Details.

[RZIBARA]

TheMyron wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

That's just a bad photo of her. She's not that ugly.

Its best to believe that she is ugly, considering she gets killed.

LOL

[rashie]

David7204 wrote...

Do people in this thread seriously believe that people in the military could do any of the things characters in Mass Effect do simply because they're in the military?

No i do not because some character in a video game is a certain way.

But i do know that weak unstable individuals would never be in the military, even less brought in for active duty in warzones.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

Do people in this thread seriously believe that people in the military could do any of the things characters in Mass Effect do simply because they're in the military?

Obviously!

Remember Davey your assumptions are always correct no matter what!

Even when they are idiotic!


Especially when they are idiotic.