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[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

I thought the reason for so many blood mages was obvious? Meredith and the templars were pushing the mages so hard that they would seek increasingly desperate measures (blood magic) to escape them. Meredith was more the cause of these problems than the solution.

When you get me and Barquiel to agree you need an award

[Mr.House]

Barquiel wrote...

I thought the reason for so many blood mages was obvious? Meredith and the templars were pushing the mages so hard that they would seek increasingly desperate measures (blood magic) to escape them. Meredith was more the cause of these problems than the solution.

So.... Let's prove Meredith, templars and the normal civies right? Sounds legit.

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 septembre 2013 - 06:36 .

[Ryzaki]

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

except the guy who did the exploding wasn't a bloodmage, or even part of the Circle...

[Mr.House]

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

No no no, all bloodmages are the cause of Meredith silly. Mages are innocent butterflies who only turn to bloodmagic because they where forced to.

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

except the guy who did the exploding wasn't a bloodmage, or even part of the Circle...

He was however an abomination.

[Lord Raijin]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Orsino this Orsino that. When will it be Meredith for once?

I'd wager it was often both.

If you were Orsino could you survive having to be forced to work with her? 24/7? Having an office right next to her? I know I sure as hell couldn't. I would be praying to the Maker to set me free.

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

except the guy who did the exploding wasn't a bloodmage, or even part of the Circle...

No, he was worse then a bloodmage.

[Master Warder Z_]

 While i wasn't overly impressed with how the Templar Order was presented in DA 2 and Asunder i still maintain that they have reasoning and motivation that fits within the Universe that makes their actions understandable and viable in their own eye.

So to answer your question?

They never were, And i don't know.

I am no seer.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

except the guy who did the exploding wasn't a bloodmage, or even part of the Circle...

No, he was worse then a bloodmage.

Far, Far worse then any Blood Mage since Ancient Tvienter.

[Mercedes-Benz]

I hope that BioWare won't turn them into Cerberus (especially the Mass Effect 3 Cerberus).

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

No no no, all bloodmages are the cause of Meredith silly. Mages are innocent butterflies who only turn to bloodmagic because they where forced to.

Course how silly of me to forget.

To be fair I agree there wouldn't be as many without Meredith being stir crazy but none? LOL no.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

I hope that BioWare won't turn them into Cerberus (especially the Mass Effect 3 Cerberus).

That Certainly would be a grave, grave diservice although i think Bioware did a decent job with the orginization in two and the acension novel furthered that apperence that was utterly destroyed in three.

<_<

[Steelcan]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

except the guy who did the exploding wasn't a bloodmage, or even part of the Circle...

No, he was worse then a bloodmage.

Far, Far worse then any Blood Mage since Ancient Tvienter.

Which leads me to question how truly dangerous blood magic is.  The threat is always "what if they control a head of state", has that ever been confirmed to happen?  All the heads of state in Tevinter were blood mages.  Or "They will bring back the Tevinter Imperium" aka the center of knowledge and civlization... Sure they have the whole slavery thing...

[Lord Raijin]

Mr.House wrote...

Where there blood mages in the circle? Yes
Where the mages hiding something? Yes
Where the mages planning something? Yes
Was Orsino hiding and protecting blood mages? Yes

Meredith was right,why can't you and other pro mages just accept it that Meredith was right all along? Does it like make you feel bad or dirty that you can admit that the big bad Templars where in fact right?

I don't think Mages would practice the art of blood magic without a good enough reason to do it. They practice it for survival. Kirkwall was not very mage friendly, especially when theirs a Knight-commander who hated mages with a passion, and was essentinally latching down hard on them as the year past. Orsino did some pretty messed up things, but Meredith was the root of it all.

[Mr.House]

All powerful Tevinter magisters practice blood magic, along with the Archon.

[Barquiel]

Mr.House wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

No no no, all bloodmages are the cause of Meredith silly. Mages are innocent butterflies who only turn to bloodmagic because they where forced to.

Not all bloodmages ofc. But several characters state that times were better in Kirkwall's Circle before Meredith under Knight-Commander Guylian.

Modifié par Barquiel, 11 septembre 2013 - 06:43 .

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

All powerful Tevinter magisters practice blood magic, along with the Archon.

Yes I know, I said that.

[Iakus]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If you were Orsino could you survive having to be forced to work with her? 24/7? Having an office right next to her? I know I sure as hell couldn't. I would be praying to the Maker to set me free.

Wish we could have known Meredith longer before she goes all cuckoo for coco-puffs.  Might Would have humanized her more

Similarly, Orsino's descent into "BLOOD MAGIC FOR EVERYBODY!!!"  proved jarring.  And likely reinforced the whole "Grr.  Templars bad.  Look what they made Orsino do!" mentality

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I saw it more as chicken or egg solution. Meredith was pushing the mages so hard because there were bloodmages in Kirkwall. And they just feed off each other til it exploded.

except the guy who did the exploding wasn't a bloodmage, or even part of the Circle...

No, he was worse then a bloodmage.

Far, Far worse then any Blood Mage since Ancient Tvienter.

Which leads me to question how truly dangerous blood magic is.  The threat is always "what if they control a head of state", has that ever been confirmed to happen?  All the heads of state in Tevinter were blood mages.  Or "They will bring back the Tevinter Imperium" aka the center of knowledge and civlization... Sure they have the whole slavery thing...

Ahem as the Tranquil stated so astutely.

"It is dangerous beyond its power"

You literally have to stare a demon in the eye and pledge your soul to it get that magic.

Forgot mundane mortal goverment structuring and possible political outcomes of its usage, just think of the morality regarding the magic.

In my eye there really is no excuse for it, Except in the case of Hawke's father when he was literally forced to do it in order to protect his pregnant wife from a deranged madman who was driven mad by what? The Whisperings of an ancient Blood Mage.

There is no viable defense of this magic.

[Lord Raijin]

Mr.House wrote...
That does not excuse terrorism.

If what Anders did was an act of terrorism then what do you call the White Chantry? A peaceful relgion that gives flowers to everybody in Thedas?

Grand Cleric Elthina admitted that killing innocent lives has never stopped the Chantry from going on Exalted Marches to defend "the Faith". The Chantry brought this all on themselves. People aren't going to put up with this crap for much longer.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 11 septembre 2013 - 06:46 .

[Mr.House]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Where there blood mages in the circle? Yes
Where the mages hiding something? Yes
Where the mages planning something? Yes
Was Orsino hiding and protecting blood mages? Yes

Meredith was right,why can't you and other pro mages just accept it that Meredith was right all along? Does it like make you feel bad or dirty that you can admit that the big bad Templars where in fact right?

I don't think Mages would practice the art of blood magic without a good enough reason to do it. They practice it for survival. Kirkwall was not very mage friendly, especially when theirs a Knight-commander who hated mages with a passion, and was essentinally latching down hard on them as the year past. Orsino did some pretty messed up things, but Meredith was the root of it all.

Meredith had nothing to do witht he likes of Quintin and Orsino helping that evil bastard. Orsinos excuse was so poor and dumb, that any lingering sympathy I had for him went away.

[Steelcan]

Master Warder Z wrote...
Ahem as the Tranquil stated so astutely.

"It is dangerous beyond its power"

You literally have to stare a demon in the eye and pledge your soul to it get that magic.

Forgot mundane mortal goverment structuring and possible political outcomes of its usage, just think of the morality regarding the magic.

In my eye there really is no excuse for it, Except in the case of Hawke's father when he was literally forced to do it in order to protect his pregnant wife from a deranged madman who was driven mad by what? The Whisperings of an ancient Blood Mage.

There is no viable defense of this magic.

Yet Blood magic is also the only form of magic completely seperate from the fade.  I'm willing to guess dealing with demons is a shortcut, I bet it can be learned through experimentation, ie Jowan who seems to have had no possession.

and it is jarring to hear you talk of morality

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Ahem as the Tranquil stated so astutely.

"It is dangerous beyond its power"

You literally have to stare a demon in the eye and pledge your soul to it get that magic.

Forgot mundane mortal goverment structuring and possible political outcomes of its usage, just think of the morality regarding the magic.

In my eye there really is no excuse for it, Except in the case of Hawke's father when he was literally forced to do it in order to protect his pregnant wife from a deranged madman who was driven mad by what? The Whisperings of an ancient Blood Mage.

There is no viable defense of this magic.

Yet Blood magic is also the only form of magic completely seperate from the fade.  I'm willing to guess dealing with demons is a shortcut, I bet it can be learned through experimentation, ie Jowan who seems to have had no possession.

and it is jarring to hear you talk of morality

Blood magic was first taught by four demons, two of which we have already fought and "killed"

[Lord Raijin]

Mr.House wrote...

All powerful Tevinter magisters practice blood magic, along with the Archon.

The Chantry also uses blood magic to hunt down apostates. How interesting that is. Mages can't use blood magic because the Maker says no... but the Chantry can? Blood magic is blood magic. It's forbidden and the Chantry should practice what they preach. They should find another way to track down apostates rather than to use their phylactery.