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[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Ahem as the Tranquil stated so astutely.

"It is dangerous beyond its power"

You literally have to stare a demon in the eye and pledge your soul to it get that magic.

Forgot mundane mortal goverment structuring and possible political outcomes of its usage, just think of the morality regarding the magic.

In my eye there really is no excuse for it, Except in the case of Hawke's father when he was literally forced to do it in order to protect his pregnant wife from a deranged madman who was driven mad by what? The Whisperings of an ancient Blood Mage.

There is no viable defense of this magic.

Yet Blood magic is also the only form of magic completely seperate from the fade.  I'm willing to guess dealing with demons is a shortcut, I bet it can be learned through experimentation, ie Jowan who seems to have had no possession.

and it is jarring to hear you talk of morality

Blood magic was first taught by four demons, two of which we have already fought and "killed"

*First, afterwards it can be taught without demonic interference

Also i recall the validity of this being up for debate.  Something about the Tevinters learning from the elves

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Ahem as the Tranquil stated so astutely.

"It is dangerous beyond its power"

You literally have to stare a demon in the eye and pledge your soul to it get that magic.

Forgot mundane mortal goverment structuring and possible political outcomes of its usage, just think of the morality regarding the magic.

In my eye there really is no excuse for it, Except in the case of Hawke's father when he was literally forced to do it in order to protect his pregnant wife from a deranged madman who was driven mad by what? The Whisperings of an ancient Blood Mage.

There is no viable defense of this magic.

Yet Blood magic is also the only form of magic completely seperate from the fade.  I'm willing to guess dealing with demons is a shortcut, I bet it can be learned through experimentation, ie Jowan who seems to have had no possession.

and it is jarring to hear you talk of morality

That's why I never considered Blood Magic to be bad

Especially when you look at Hawke's father

[Mr.House]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

All powerful Tevinter magisters practice blood magic, along with the Archon.

The Chantry also uses blood magic to hunt down apostates. How interesting that is. Mages can't use blood magic because the Maker says no... but the Chantry can? Blood magic is blood magic. It's forbidden and the Chantry should practice what they preach. They should find another way to track down apostates rather than to use their phylactery.

I never said the Chantry was perfect, or that I even support the Chantry. Wanting a way to protect the normal people from mages does not mean the person fully supports the Chantry and Templars.

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Ahem as the Tranquil stated so astutely.

"It is dangerous beyond its power"

You literally have to stare a demon in the eye and pledge your soul to it get that magic.

Forgot mundane mortal goverment structuring and possible political outcomes of its usage, just think of the morality regarding the magic.

In my eye there really is no excuse for it, Except in the case of Hawke's father when he was literally forced to do it in order to protect his pregnant wife from a deranged madman who was driven mad by what? The Whisperings of an ancient Blood Mage.

There is no viable defense of this magic.

Yet Blood magic is also the only form of magic completely seperate from the fade.  I'm willing to guess dealing with demons is a shortcut, I bet it can be learned through experimentation, ie Jowan who seems to have had no possession.

and it is jarring to hear you talk of morality

The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

And that said well i can be blunt on this subject i suppose.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

So its a blend of personal morality and justifications with Pragmatism, Its not straight driven morality.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Ahem as the Tranquil stated so astutely.

"It is dangerous beyond its power"

You literally have to stare a demon in the eye and pledge your soul to it get that magic.

Forgot mundane mortal goverment structuring and possible political outcomes of its usage, just think of the morality regarding the magic.

In my eye there really is no excuse for it, Except in the case of Hawke's father when he was literally forced to do it in order to protect his pregnant wife from a deranged madman who was driven mad by what? The Whisperings of an ancient Blood Mage.

There is no viable defense of this magic.

Yet Blood magic is also the only form of magic completely seperate from the fade.  I'm willing to guess dealing with demons is a shortcut, I bet it can be learned through experimentation, ie Jowan who seems to have had no possession.

and it is jarring to hear you talk of morality

Blood magic was first taught by four demons, two of which we have already fought and "killed"

*First, afterwards it can be taught without demonic interference

Also i recall the validity of this being up for debate.  Something about the Tevinters learning from the elves

Who supposedly learned it from their own Gods, but that said who is to say what mythical creature delivered the knowledge to whom and when?

And does it really matter?

The Arcane Rite is dangerous and taboo rightly so.

Hell if the Imperium wasn't under siege by the Qunari i wouldn't even approve of them using it, But those Horn Head  Maoists are in my eye a bigger blight then even the demons of the fade.

[Steelcan]

Master Warder Z wrote...
The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

Mages pose a threat no doubt, however the Circle is not a solution, its a delaying tactic, one that no longer works.

[Steelcan]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Who supposedly learned it from their own Gods, but that said who is to say what mythical creature delivered the knowledge to whom and when?

And does it really matter?

The Arcane Rite is dangerous and taboo rightly so.

Hell if the Imperium wasn't under siege by the Qunari i wouldn't even approve of them using it, But those Horn Head  Maoists are in my eye a bigger blight then even the demons of the fade.

Solution.  Send the mages to Tevinter, let them turn the tide against the qunari, they can have their lands, and attack whatever land they came from.

[Mr.House]

The circle didn't work because the system was open to abuse way to easily and it was made just for the sake of money(the Chantry is very rich of the lyruim trade. That's why a new, better system should be made, not keeping the old system or worse giving all mages freedom.

[deuce985]

Everybody ready the angry mob so we can storm Bioware Edmonton before we even know details about the story!!

In all seriousness, I think we'll have plenty of grey area in DA:I. I'm thinking you'll have several factions of Templars now and the ones abusing red lyrium is because they have no supply from the Chantry. They have to get it from somewhere. I'm guessing the veil rip has a lot to do with making red lyrium an easily gained resource due to possible corruption of blue lyrium.

I thought personally DA:O did a good job with their grey areas while DA2 felt a little more black and white. I think they'll go back to being more swayed to grey in DA:I.

Modifié par deuce985, 11 septembre 2013 - 07:03 .

[Steelcan]

deuce985 wrote...

I thought personally DA:O did a good job with their grey areas while DA2 felt a little more black and white.

Were this the case this discussion wouldn't be happening

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

Mages pose a threat no doubt, however the Circle is not a solution, its a delaying tactic, one that no longer works.

Indeed but it was the best solution for a problem that is going to grow worse and worse as the Human and Elven Populations grow.

As for how it stands? I believe only the destruction of the Mages leading the rebellion can quiet down the world and restore order for a more permenant solution to come forth. If that means making every Mage Tranquil well while it does weaken Thedas's Military strength against the upcoming Quanari threat it also closes off the threat of Demons.

Its a difficult problem and i haven't come up with a viable solution but i am fairly certain DA-I will likely present one.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I have perfect solution on this problem 

[AresKeith]

Mr.House wrote...

The circle didn't work because the system was open to abuse way to easily and it was made just for the sake of money(the Chantry is very rich of the lyruim trade. That's why a new, better system should be made, not keeping the old system or worse giving all mages freedom.

Reforming a good idea to make it better? Blasphemy lol 

But yes I'm for a Reformed Circle also

[Steelcan]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

Mages pose a threat no doubt, however the Circle is not a solution, its a delaying tactic, one that no longer works.

Indeed but it was the best solution for a problem that is going to grow worse and worse as the Human and Elven Populations grow.

As for how it stands? I believe only the destruction of the Mages leading the rebellion can quiet down the world and restore order for a more permenant solution to come forth. If that means making every Mage Tranquil well while it does weaken Thedas's Military strength against the upcoming Quanari threat it also closes off the threat of Demons.

Its a difficult problem and i haven't come up with a viable solution but i am fairly certain DA-I will likely present one.

Again, turn the mage loose on the qunari, the rest of Thedas can watchB)

[Lord Raijin]

The Circle would work great if the Chantry wasn't running the show. Instead of it being used to imprison the mages it should be used as a college to help young mages to control their power and to use it a responsible way. Allow the mages to return back to their families once they've became stabilized.

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

Mages pose a threat no doubt, however the Circle is not a solution, its a delaying tactic, one that no longer works.

Indeed but it was the best solution for a problem that is going to grow worse and worse as the Human and Elven Populations grow.

As for how it stands? I believe only the destruction of the Mages leading the rebellion can quiet down the world and restore order for a more permenant solution to come forth. If that means making every Mage Tranquil well while it does weaken Thedas's Military strength against the upcoming Quanari threat it also closes off the threat of Demons.

Its a difficult problem and i haven't come up with a viable solution but i am fairly certain DA-I will likely present one.

Again, turn the mage loose on the qunari, the rest of Thedas can watchB)

Watch the mages get slaughtered you mean? Yeah that'll be entertaining if nothing else.

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

Mages pose a threat no doubt, however the Circle is not a solution, its a delaying tactic, one that no longer works.

Indeed but it was the best solution for a problem that is going to grow worse and worse as the Human and Elven Populations grow.

As for how it stands? I believe only the destruction of the Mages leading the rebellion can quiet down the world and restore order for a more permenant solution to come forth. If that means making every Mage Tranquil well while it does weaken Thedas's Military strength against the upcoming Quanari threat it also closes off the threat of Demons.

Its a difficult problem and i haven't come up with a viable solution but i am fairly certain DA-I will likely present one.

Again, turn the mage loose on the qunari, the rest of Thedas can watchB)

That doesn't make the threat of them any less though; Your centralizing Magical Power in a singular spot.

I can see vast swarms of Mages getting corrupted espeically during wartime, Esepcially within the Imperium where Blood Magic is supported and expected.

That's not much of a solution, No the Qunari will have to be beaten back by Steel and blood just like the last time.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

Mages pose a threat no doubt, however the Circle is not a solution, its a delaying tactic, one that no longer works.

Indeed but it was the best solution for a problem that is going to grow worse and worse as the Human and Elven Populations grow.

As for how it stands? I believe only the destruction of the Mages leading the rebellion can quiet down the world and restore order for a more permenant solution to come forth. If that means making every Mage Tranquil well while it does weaken Thedas's Military strength against the upcoming Quanari threat it also closes off the threat of Demons.

Its a difficult problem and i haven't come up with a viable solution but i am fairly certain DA-I will likely present one.

Again, turn the mage loose on the qunari, the rest of Thedas can watchB)

Watch the mages get slaughtered you mean? Yeah that'll be entertaining if nothing else.

Nonsense Anders can give them gunpowder weapons

[Steelcan]

Master Warder Z wrote...
That doesn't make the threat of them any less though; Your centralizing Magical Power in a singular spot.

I can see vast swarms of Mages getting corrupted espeically during wartime, Esepcially within the Imperium where Blood Magic is supported and expected.

That's not much of a solution, No the Qunari will have to be beaten back by Steel and blood just like the last time.

Right, because the last time the qunari were beaten back it solved all the problems....

[Master Warder Z_]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
The Fade is only a threat because of mages though; Normal humans cannot be possesed easily at all with out magical interfrence.

Pragmatism does not shade the entirity of my view on everything.

When it comes to this subject? I believe there is a very clear, Right and Wrong solution when it comes to any Mage and Templar Conflict.

Aka Let the Templars win; They are the only faction present a viable and secure future for all sentient life on thedas.

But you are correct; I defend slavery, Using reaper techology, turning innocent people into husks and many, many more questionable, genocidal and outright evil actions because they are the best solution as far as i can see.

Me bringing up any shade of morality i suppose is a tad hypocritical.

Mages pose a threat no doubt, however the Circle is not a solution, its a delaying tactic, one that no longer works.

Indeed but it was the best solution for a problem that is going to grow worse and worse as the Human and Elven Populations grow.

As for how it stands? I believe only the destruction of the Mages leading the rebellion can quiet down the world and restore order for a more permenant solution to come forth. If that means making every Mage Tranquil well while it does weaken Thedas's Military strength against the upcoming Quanari threat it also closes off the threat of Demons.

Its a difficult problem and i haven't come up with a viable solution but i am fairly certain DA-I will likely present one.

Again, turn the mage loose on the qunari, the rest of Thedas can watchB)

Watch the mages get slaughtered you mean? Yeah that'll be entertaining if nothing else.

Indeed, if anything the Anvil of the Void should be refurbished and taken out of retirment for that task.

A Horde of Golems meeting the Qunari commanded by Elite Veteran Human soldiers from an alliance of Nations would certainly be far more capable then any "Mage Army".

[Ryzaki]

@Steelcan: Pfft LOL.

Considering the mages at Kirkwall's tactics (Let's ignore the funnel guys!) I'm not sure even hand delivered guns and cannons could save them.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 septembre 2013 - 07:14 .

[Steelcan]

Jeez this board is different from the ME one...

Nobody appreciates a "good" joke

Modifié par Steelcan, 11 septembre 2013 - 07:15 .

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Steelcan: Pfft LOL.

Considering the mages at Kirkwall's tactics (Let's ignore the funnel guys!) I'm not sure even hand delivered guns and cannons could save them.

That scene was terrible

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Jeez this board is different from the ME one...

took you this long to notice? 

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
That doesn't make the threat of them any less though; Your centralizing Magical Power in a singular spot.

I can see vast swarms of Mages getting corrupted espeically during wartime, Esepcially within the Imperium where Blood Magic is supported and expected.

That's not much of a solution, No the Qunari will have to be beaten back by Steel and blood just like the last time.

Right, because the last time the qunari were beaten back it solved all the problems....

It made them shut up and get out of Ravian and Antiva.

It isn't a perfect solution but its preferable to hundreds of abominations running wild.