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[Daerog]

Oh, come on, that is just Xilizhra's shtick.

Edit: Eventually posters who continually post in the forum wars end up being a character in themselves. I doubt they would actually be up for slaughtering a bunch of people, but their forum identity would. Get Xilizhra and Lotion Soronar in the same thread discussing mages and Templars, it is just magical. Just an assumption on my part, maybe people on the BSN are crazy people irl.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:34 .

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Tbh, I consider both Pro- Mages and Pro-Templars to act short-sighted. But lately some Pro-mages has been acting plain crazy

And how exactly are we, the pro-mages, acting plain crazy?

Let's see: you have some talked about doing what Anders did in other places, which is an act of terrorism no matter how to try to deny it or defend it

There were some who talked about hanging or doing other things to the Divine (who actually wants to help the mages but keep the Circle)

But as like I said only some Pro-mages has only been acting crazy

Well, bombs can have legitimate uses. As for Justinia... she's the very definition of "too little, too late," but I don't see a need to kill her. She's not, after all, a templar.

And I would've add that to the list I posted above but I'd rather leave that in the short-sighted section

In that post, I was sort of kidding. Not all templars need to die, only the ones who don't surrender.

[Maria Caliban]

In Exile wrote...

Umm... what? 

Garahel.

[AresKeith]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Oh, come on, that is just Xilizhra's shtick.

I know, that's why I didn't add it 

[In Exile]

Maria Caliban wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Umm... what? 

Garahel.

I was just confused because the poster said Garahel was Dalish, but it doesn't say that anywhere. 

[LobselVith8]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Play the Dalish origin. Talk to Master Ilen and he'll talk about how his father fought in a war that took place 100 years earlier....maybe more. They aren't immortal, but their lives are already extensive, and are getting longer.

Gaider also addressed the longevity of the Dalish at Thedas UK Con in Leicestershire, England, on Saturday January 14th, 2012:

David Gaider: "City elves have the same lifespans as humans. They call them shemlen because it's an ancient word...occasionally city elves will use some words that are elven without really understanding where they really come from. So it's a derogatory term, and that's all it is to them when they say shem, the short version, they call humans that even though the reasons for that word no longer exist. Dalish tend to live longer. We're not talking into Tolkienesque numbers of years here. The longer they've stayed away and their parents have stayed away from humanity, the longer they seem to live. There are exceptional individuals among them as well, Zathrian had lived for almost three hundred years. It's going to vary but for the city elves, the elves that live inside human cities, they don't have exceptional lifespans at all."

[The Hierophant]

You know that DG response is not set in stone as during the same interview the Inquisition's history ended up being altered for DAI.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

In Exile wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Umm... what? 

Garahel.

I was just confused because the poster said Garahel was Dalish, but it doesn't say that anywhere. 

I meant to say "[Duncan] didn't say Dalish." I suppose that could have been confusing in hindsight.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Gaider also addressed the longevity of the Dalish at Thedas UK Con in Leicestershire, England, on Saturday January 14th, 2012:

David Gaider: "City elves have the same lifespans as humans. They call them shemlen because it's an ancient word...occasionally city elves will use some words that are elven without really understanding where they really come from. So it's a derogatory term, and that's all it is to them when they say shem, the short version, they call humans that even though the reasons for that word no longer exist. Dalish tend to live longer. We're not talking into Tolkienesque numbers of years here. The longer they've stayed away and their parents have stayed away from humanity, the longer they seem to live. There are exceptional individuals among them as well, Zathrian had lived for almost three hundred years. It's going to vary but for the city elves, the elves that live inside human cities, they don't have exceptional lifespans at all."

And look at what Mary Kirby said five months ago:

Mary Kirby wrote...

All the races have approximately the same life-span. But Qunari have sanitation and medicine, and so on average tend to live the longest. Dalish do not live any longer than city elves. The only Dalish to "reclaim" any immortality was Zathrian, and he was using a blood magic curse.

Post is right in this thread:http://social.biowar...ndex/16519770/2.

But please, keep sticking your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la-la. 

Edit:

Hell, DG uses Zathrian as an elf who lived an "extraordinary" number of years but we straight up know from DA:O he wasn't immortal, he was just a liar who betrayed everything his people believed in to have them think a lie was true. 

Modifié par In Exile, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[LobselVith8]

AresKeith wrote...

Let's see: you have some talked about doing what Anders did in other places, which is an act of terrorism no matter how to try to deny it or defend it

The Chantry controlled Circles are condemned as slavery by some, including Anders and pro-mage Hawke. Attacking members of an institution that engages in slavery is something that some people have no qualm with.

AresKeith wrote...

There were some who talked about hanging or doing other things to the Divine (who actually wants to help the mages but keep the Circle) 

By keeping the mages living in servitude to the Chantry? I don't see how that means Divine Justina wants to help mages.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
By keeping the mages living in servitude to the Chantry? I don't see how that means Divine Justina wants to help mages.

Curing Tranquility is a big deal, regardless of anything else she wanted. 

[LobselVith8]

The Hierophant wrote...

You know that DG response is not set in stone as during the same interview the Inquisition's history ended up being altered for DAI.

It's also supported by the Dalish characters in Origins. Unless a recton took place, I see no reason to dismiss Gaider and Origins.

[Master Warder Z_]

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
By keeping the mages living in servitude to the Chantry? I don't see how that means Divine Justina wants to help mages.

Curing Tranquility is a big deal, regardless of anything else she wanted. 

I share Lambert's view on the subject.

She violated a sacred trust, and is unworthy to sit on that damn throne.

But Yes; She is pretty damn firmly within the Mage camp.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...

It's also supported by the Dalish characters in Origins. Unless a recton took place, I see no reason to dismiss Gaider and Origins.

What Mary Kirby said five months ago would be an excellent reason:

Mary Kirby wrote...

All the races have approximately the same life-span. But Qunari have sanitation and medicine, and so on average tend to live the longest. Dalish do not live any longer than city elves. The only Dalish to "reclaim" any immortality was Zathrian, and he was using a blood magic curse.

Modifié par In Exile, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:55 .

[LobselVith8]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Oh, come on, that is just Xilizhra's shtick. 

It's in the context of the Mage-Templar War.

[Spectre slayer]

 

All the races have approximately the same life-span. But Qunari have sanitation and medicine, and so on average tend to live the longest. Dalish do not live any longer than city elves. The only Dalish to "reclaim" any immortality was Zathrian, and he was using a blood magic curse.

-Mary Kirby

She makes it pretty clear that the only way that the Dalish Elves to live longer is by a blood magic curse which only Zatharian was the only one to do this otherwise they have pretty much the same lifespans as every other race though the Qunari do live slightly longer.


In the City elf origin Duncan specially mentions Garahel and that he was one of the reason Elven wardens were respected.

Also he was mentioned in DA2 if you managed to find his helmet in act 3 in the quest A Noble agenda and get this codex entry.

I watched from across the battlefield as Garahel struck the final blow against the Archdemon and a great wave of energy surged out from the beast.

It was enough to level what buildings were not already destroyed by the endless battle we had fought, enough to knock horses and ogres aside as if they were little more than parchment.

Even at my distance, the force struck me like the blast of some great storm. The darkspawn around us felt it too, as savage desperation turned to sheer terror.

A great pillar of energy rushed up into the dark clouds, the blackness that had gathered with the horde and blocked out all glimmer of hope. When we stood again, we saw the first rays of sunshine peeking through those clouds and we let out such a cheer of joy and relief that it shook the very earth.

I joined the others as we searched for Garahel, but as the eve approached all I found was his enchanted helm. It was not until much later that I heard his body had been retrieved, flung to the far side of the battlefield by the Archdemon's death throes.

My friend, this elf who helped us unite the lands and cleanse Thedas of the darkspawn scourge will always be remembered. I swear it.

—Excerpt from a letter written by the Grey Warden Prosper, 5:24 Exalted

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:59 .

[AresKeith]

LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

There were some who talked about hanging or doing other things to the Divine (who actually wants to help the mages but keep the Circle) 

By keeping the mages living in servitude to the Chantry? I don't see how that means Divine Justina wants to help mages.

The same way some people believe in a reformed Circle

[LobselVith8]

Spectre slayer wrote...

She makes it pretty clear that the only way that the Dalish Elves to live longer is by a blood magic curse which only Zatharian was the only one to do this otherwise they have pretty much the same lifespans as every other race though the Qunari do live slightly longer.

Which contradicts Gaider and Origins. It could have been a mistake on Kirby's part.

[Master Warder Z_]

Spectre slayer wrote...

 

All the races have approximately the same life-span. But Qunari have sanitation and medicine, and so on average tend to live the longest. Dalish do not live any longer than city elves. The only Dalish to "reclaim" any immortality was Zathrian, and he was using a blood magic curse.

-Mary Kirby

She makes it pretty clear that the only way that the Dalish Elves to live longer is by a blood magic curse which only Zatharian was the only one to do this otherwise they have pretty much the same lifespans as every other race though the Qunari do live slightly longer.


In the City elf origin Duncan specially mentions Garahel and that he was one of the reason Elven wardens were respected.

Also he was mentioned in DA2 if you managed to find his helmet in act 3 in the quest A Noble agenda and get this codex entry.

I watched from across the battlefield as Garahel struck the final blow against the Archdemon and a great wave of energy surged out from the beast.
It was enough to level what buildings were not already destroyed by the endless battle we had fought, enough to knock horses and ogres aside as if they were little more than parchment.

Even at my distance, the force struck me like the blast of some great storm. The darkspawn around us felt it too, as savage desperation turned to sheer terror.
A great pillar of energy rushed up into the dark clouds, the blackness that had gathered with the horde and blocked out all glimmer of hope. When we stood again, we saw the first rays of sunshine peeking through those clouds and we let out such a cheer of joy and relief that it shook the very earth.

I joined the others as we searched for Garahel, but as the eve approached all I found was his enchanted helm. It was not until much later that I heard his body had been retrieved, flung to the far side of the battlefield by the Archdemon's death throes.

My friend, this elf who helped us unite the lands and cleanse Thedas of the darkspawn scourge will always be remembered. I swear it.
—Excerpt from a letter written by the Grey Warden Prosper, 5:24 Exalted

I wonder if he is related to the Modern Prosper.

Hrm Something to consider i suppose.

[Master Warder Z_]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

She makes it pretty clear that the only way that the Dalish Elves to live longer is by a blood magic curse which only Zatharian was the only one to do this otherwise they have pretty much the same lifespans as every other race though the Qunari do live slightly longer.

Which contradicts Gaider and Origins. It could have been a mistake on Kirby's part.

As several people pointed out Gaider occasionally Mispeaks and Origins has had several retcons done to it already.

So i would view it as a semi viable source.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It's also supported by the Dalish characters in Origins. Unless a recton took place, I see no reason to dismiss Gaider and Origins.

What Mary Kirby said five months ago would be an excellent reason:

Mary Kirby wrote...

All the races have approximately the same life-span. But Qunari have sanitation and medicine, and so on average tend to live the longest. Dalish do not live any longer than city elves. The only Dalish to "reclaim" any immortality was Zathrian, and he was using a blood magic curse.

Despite your intention, all this does is prove that people at BioWare disagree on a piece of lore. Neither Kirby nor Gaider's word should be taken as Gospel since both of them have bosses that ultimately dictate the "truth" in Dragon Age. If something in-game contradicts the idea that elves are living longer lives the longer they stay away from humans, they'll show it. As it stands, it's an unverifiable "fact" that cannot be proven, no disproven.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Which contradicts Gaider and Origins. It could have been a mistake on Kirby's part.

Or DG could have been coy, just like he is about any element of the DA mythology, since he says that Zathrian is "exceptional" and I hope that you'll admit that his only exceptional feature was lying to his people about being immortal due to something other than a blood magic curse. 

But I'm more curious how you explain the fact that if we actually take a single line of dialogue about eras seriously, dwarves have 200 year lifespans.