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[Genshie]

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Meredith isn't really evil, she is the same as Anders.

Both think other side is evil and willing to do anything to reach their goal. People views Anders
in more light because he's companion especially LI one and not a last boss.

Anders is/or should be considered a terrorist that only was the cataylist for Meredith to go off the deep end totally due to the influence of said idol. 

She was alread pushing for the ROA even before Anders pulled his little stunt.

No she wasn't

Yes she did push for the ROA...several times,but Ethina kept rejecting it and so Anders did Meredith a favor by killing the only person who could have stopped her.

No she didn't. Anders read the note saying that she and the mother rejected the idea. This was before the final act and before she got her hands on the red lyrium blade.

Modifié par Genshie, 11 septembre 2013 - 01:12 .

[AresKeith]

cjones91 wrote...

Yes she did push for the ROA...several times,but Ethina kept rejecting it and so Anders did Meredith a favor by killing the only person who could have stopped her.

No she didn't, that one Templar guy was but Meredith AND the Ethina rejected it

[MisterJB]

AresKeith wrote...
http://www.gameinfor...tion-intel.aspx

You are correct and so was Jedi Master Orion. The article did specifically refer to them as a "splinter faction".

That's calming somewhat. There are still many problems with having an entire faction of insane enemies rather than intelligent antagonists and they might still make the whole of Lambert's group into Red Templars but it does seem there will at least be some tought put into the mage/templar conflict.
Thank you.

[Genshie]

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Yes she did push for the ROA...several times,but Ethina kept rejecting it and so Anders did Meredith a favor by killing the only person who could have stopped her.

No she didn't, that one Templar guy was but Meredith AND the Ethina rejected it

Damn we are literally telling this guy off in stereo and he will not let it go.

[cjones91]

Genshie wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Meredith isn't really evil, she is the same as Anders.

Both think other side is evil and willing to do anything to reach their goal. People views Anders
in more light because he's companion especially LI one and not a last boss.

Anders is/or should be considered a terrorist that only was the cataylist for Meredith to go off the deep end totally due to the influence of said idol. 

Well,  Anders is influenced by Justice too.... as I said they are two sides of the same coin.

Nope, Anders wasn't influenced by anything. He himself said after the act that the line between him and Justice no longer existed and was long gone. He acted on his own free will.

In the rivalry path Anders began doubting himself and Justice took over and forced him to blow up the Chantry.

[LobselVith8]

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

She was alread pushing for the ROA even before Anders pulled his little stunt.

No she wasn't 

Kerras says otherwise in Act III.

[Genshie]

cjones91 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Meredith isn't really evil, she is the same as Anders.

Both think other side is evil and willing to do anything to reach their goal. People views Anders
in more light because he's companion especially LI one and not a last boss.

Anders is/or should be considered a terrorist that only was the cataylist for Meredith to go off the deep end totally due to the influence of said idol. 

Well,  Anders is influenced by Justice too.... as I said they are two sides of the same coin.

Nope, Anders wasn't influenced by anything. He himself said after the act that the line between him and Justice no longer existed and was long gone. He acted on his own free will.

In the rivalry path Anders began doubting himself and Justice took over and forced him to blow up the Chantry.

He still says that they are one in he same. And even when you just meet him he says that not even the best can tell you were he began and Justice ended.

[cjones91]

Genshie wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Yes she did push for the ROA...several times,but Ethina kept rejecting it and so Anders did Meredith a favor by killing the only person who could have stopped her.

No she didn't, that one Templar guy was but Meredith AND the Ethina rejected it

Damn we are literally telling this guy off in stereo and he will not let it go.

That was the Rite of Traquility,the Rite of Annulment is what I'm talking about.

[cjones91]

Genshie wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Meredith isn't really evil, she is the same as Anders.

Both think other side is evil and willing to do anything to reach their goal. People views Anders
in more light because he's companion especially LI one and not a last boss.

Anders is/or should be considered a terrorist that only was the cataylist for Meredith to go off the deep end totally due to the influence of said idol. 

Well,  Anders is influenced by Justice too.... as I said they are two sides of the same coin.

Nope, Anders wasn't influenced by anything. He himself said after the act that the line between him and Justice no longer existed and was long gone. He acted on his own free will.

In the rivalry path Anders began doubting himself and Justice took over and forced him to blow up the Chantry.

He still says that they are one in he same. And even when you just meet him he says that not even the best can tell you were he began and Justice ended.

That may be the case,but I saw Anders glow blue which meant Justice was in control for that one split moment.

[Bugsie]

mopotter wrote...

I'm hoping for 3 fractions that I can join in different games and some different endings to go with that.

Blood mages who hate templars, templars who hate all mages because they might be evil, and the group who knows that some mages are good, some templars are good and that group can work together. It's what I liked about Asunder, and yes, it would be my 1st play through choice but eventually I'd go blood mage and templar because they both have reasons for what they do too.

I'm expecting that Red Templar is an equivalent to a Blood Mage and hoping for a better 'evil/good' balance.

Could be several factions you could join in that case Mo (with multiple playthroughs giving you different choices)

Blood mages
Mages who hate Templars
Red Templars
Templars who hate Mages
Templars and Mages who are working together.

I never saw the Templar order as the 'bad choice', but the storytelling did railroad you to feel more sympathy for Mages.

[Genshie]

LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

She was alread pushing for the ROA even before Anders pulled his little stunt.

No she wasn't 

Kerras says otherwise in Act III.

Everyone has an opinion just some are way different than others. I will let it go and say that Meredith is extreme with her beliefs. Notice how the things really start to fall apart when the red lyrium idol is introduced.

[LobselVith8]

Genshie wrote...

No she didn't. Anders read the note saying that she and the mother rejected the idea. This was before the final act and before she got her hands on the red lyrium blade.

That's the Tranquil Solution, not the Right of Annulment.

[Genshie]

cjones91 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Yes she did push for the ROA...several times,but Ethina kept rejecting it and so Anders did Meredith a favor by killing the only person who could have stopped her.

No she didn't, that one Templar guy was but Meredith AND the Ethina rejected it

Damn we are literally telling this guy off in stereo and he will not let it go.

That was the Rite of Traquility,the Rite of Annulment is what I'm talking about.

 They are one in the same except one is more extreme and Meredith originally disapproved of these extreme actions until the final act where she was influenced by the red lyrium blade.

Edit: When Meredith went off the deep end and announced the Rite of Annulment she was pushed by Ander's act of terrorism and the influence of red lyrium blade.

Modifié par Genshie, 11 septembre 2013 - 01:21 .

[General TSAR]

Hopefully not and the blind Templar you are talking is Ser Otto.

[AresKeith]

LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

She was alread pushing for the ROA even before Anders pulled his little stunt.

No she wasn't 

Kerras says otherwise in Act III.

Now I remember, she did. But honestly that could easily be considered by the effect of the Red Lyrium

[Genshie]

AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

She was alread pushing for the ROA even before Anders pulled his little stunt.

No she wasn't 

Kerras says otherwise in Act III.

Now I remember, she did. But honestly that could easily be considered by the effect of the Red Lyrium

Once again the dead horse that I am repeating over and over.

[Lord Raijin]

Genshie wrote...

I will say both either Bartrand and Anders are good sources for blame. And Meredith wasn't crazy at the start. Heck, she isn't even evil and if anything she became chaotic good.

What about putting some of the blame on the Grand Cleric? In fact shes largely to blame since she techically allowed this woman to go as far as she did. The Templars aren't suppose to get involved in the politcal affairs of nobility yet Meredith wanted to become the next Viscount. The Grand Cleric should of told Meredith to back the fudge off. Elthina didn't do sqat about it but to allow the problems to esculate at a catastrophic level. Perhabs that explains why Elthina played the martyr act. She felt guilty for not doing anything, and felt that her death is justified for all the mages that she allowed to be tortured under Meredith's belt.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 11 septembre 2013 - 01:23 .

[Genshie]

In short none of the sides were evil until Ander's actions which pushed everything into motion. Neither side was evil or had any intentions of doing any horrendous acts until they were pushed.

Modifié par Genshie, 11 septembre 2013 - 01:24 .

[LobselVith8]

Genshie wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Kerras says otherwise in Act III.

Everyone has an opinion just some are way different than others. I will let it go and say that Meredith is extreme with her beliefs. Notice how the things really start to fall apart when the red lyrium idol is introduced.

Meredith kills mages to make a point in Act I and her extreme methods lead to Karl writing letters to his first love, Anders, prior to Act I. There's also the tendency of Meredith's "cronies" being sadists and rapists. As for good members of the Templar Order, I think of characters like Greagoir, Ser Otto, Ser Bryant, the Lothering templars, or Alistair.

[Lord Raijin]

What Anders did was a total act of desperation that was caused by Meredith tyrant behavior.

[Genshie]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Kerras says otherwise in Act III.

Everyone has an opinion just some are way different than others. I will let it go and say that Meredith is extreme with her beliefs. Notice how the things really start to fall apart when the red lyrium idol is introduced.

Meredith kills mages to make a point in Act I and her extreme methods lead to Karl writing letters to his first love, Anders, prior to Act I. There's also the tendency of Meredith's "cronies" being sadists and rapists. As for good members of the Templar Order, I think of characters like Greagoir, Ser Otto, Ser Bryant, the Lothering templars, or Alistair.

None of these are proven and most of these actions were either proved false and or out of Meredith's "watchful" eye. These "cronies" did things outside of their duties and were not ordered directly by Meredith to commit these acts. You can not damn a person for another person's actions outside of their own control. I really doubt Meredith knew of most of these acts being taken placed.

[Genshie]

Lord Raijin wrote...

What Anders did was a total act of desperation that was caused by Meredith tyrant behavior.

The majority of the tyrant behavior being influenced and brought by the red lyrium.  (Damn I am starting to really hate red lyrium. It is like ME's indoctrination)

Modifié par Genshie, 11 septembre 2013 - 01:30 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Yes she did push for the ROA...several times,but Ethina kept rejecting it and so Anders did Meredith a favor by killing the only person who could have stopped her.

No she didn't, that one Templar guy was but Meredith AND the Ethina rejected it

You're right she did, of course an hour latter she calls for every mage in Kirkwall to be slaughtered because of something they had no part in.

[AresKeith]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Meredith kills mages to make a point in Act I and her extreme methods lead to Karl writing letters to his first love, Anders, prior to Act I. There's also the tendency of Meredith's "cronies" being sadists and rapists. As for good members of the Templar Order, I think of characters like Greagoir, Ser Otto, Ser Bryant, the Lothering templars, or Alistair.

Ser Otto? The guy who wanted his Tranquil Solution but was denied by both Meredith and Ethina

[Genshie]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Yes she did push for the ROA...several times,but Ethina kept rejecting it and so Anders did Meredith a favor by killing the only person who could have stopped her.

No she didn't, that one Templar guy was but Meredith AND the Ethina rejected it

You're right she did, of course an hour latter she calls for every mage in Kirkwall to be slaughtered because of something they had no part in.

Once again "RED LYRIUM" influence.