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[Jaun Shepard]

Beerfish wrote...

Jaun Shepard wrote...

Lol GI without weapon is still the best melee kit in the game and kiscks ass.

This is something I find a bit bizarre.  I don't dispute the comment at all but I can honestly say I have never seen a full melee GI in any game I have every played.  As a matter of fact I've only seen a person even use the GI melee more than a handful of times. 

Theres a video of N7 Absentiae raping geth with this kit somewhere. He melted spawns like a AC clad Talon Merc.

[didacuscarr]

Put that cheese on a Volus' head for lulz pls.

[HoochieHamiltoe]

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

[MzAdventure]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

In Hoochie's hands (and many others)  ... volus are DEADLY killing machines.   Proof we could've beaten the reapers conventionally!

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

Volus are support characters.

[Tokenusername]

What is support? Phantom don't hurt me. Don't hurt me, no more.

[HoochieHamiltoe]

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

Volus are support characters.

Maybe to you, but when I play them, I refuse to sit up your butt and shield boost you to oblivion. And, I am quite capable of killing just fine. 

Edit: For obligatory Boogie pls

Modifié par HoochieHamiltoe, 12 septembre 2013 - 05:36 .

[geezer117]

Any character played for team support rather than personal score. That would be doing objectives, reviving, holding the back door choke point so the team can concentrate on killing, using missiles just BEFORE it all hits the fan, kiting banshees away from the hack circle, staying away from the extraction zone, covering a new player joining a wave in progress so he isn't dead on arrival, you all know the drill.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

Volus are support characters.

Maybe to you, but when I play them, I refuse to sit up your butt and shield boost you to oblivion. And, I am quite capable of killing just fine. 

Edit: For obligatory Boogie pls

Lol

[Fortack]

PronozaSoldier wrote...

Fortack wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

It's the PPR X + what look like incendiary IV that causes the havoc not the kit . You can put a PPR X+ incendiary IV on almost any kit in the game and it'll be good.

Yeah, the GI is a poor kit too. Tactical Cloak? Hunter Mode? Lol, they don't deal any damage unless you use a gun ...

You're missing the point. Let me put it this way, put a claymore on a GI and it'll kick ass. Put a claymore on a volus and it'll kick ass too. Now put a katana on a GI and it'll still perform well on gold, put a katana on a volus and get your ass handed to you.

Point is the PPR is what melts enemies not the kit.

Edit: thread needs more cheese.

I think I got your point. I only tried to point out that weapons are an indispensable part of the game so you cannot say that a kit sucks based solely on its powers. Winfiltrators and others who get a nonsensical & magical weapon boost cheat anyway

The fundamental issue with this game, when it comes to "support", is that there really isn't any. Ideally, the sum of all players combined should be greater than the sum of its individual parts, but that, unfortunately, isn't the case. Hence why "supporting" kits don't truly exist. Four GIs are always going to finish games faster & easier than two GIs and two shieldboost spamming Volus, thus it's safe to say that a GI is a better "support" kit than any Volus.

P.S. I prefer bloody Pyjak beef over cheese

[quebra]

PronozaSoldier wrote...

acicm2 wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

Volgineer would be my perception of a support character.

Pretty bad in taking or dishing out damage but can help other teammates be more effective by boosting their shields, revealing enemy positions and mass debuffing with recon mine and further debuffing with proxy mine.

oh I get it, a troll post. you almost got me.

Low shields, super low health and inability to take hard cover make all volus be bad at taking damage.

As for dealing damage it comes down to recon mine vs heavy weapons. Sure you can slap a claymore or a harrier on a volgineer and he'll do some damage but then again you can do it with every kit in the game.

Recon mine if specced for damage (which is selfish in my opinion because a team would benefit more from the debuff) is a good damage dealer but it has a long long cooldown which means you can't take heavy weapons with you because it would make the cooldown even longer and you can't shield boost yourself while recon mine is cooling down which means even worse damage taking abilities.

Also when you disagree with someone it's a good rule of thumb to give reasons why and not brush it off with a cynical remark

What kinda maroon specs recon mine for damage?!?!?  You get 25% damage increase for scan, drop it in a spawn, or high traffic area and profit!

NOBODY can carry as heavy a weapon as a VOLUS vanguard or adept with 4 orbs, and have as low a cd (never throw the orbs, they're only there for cd).

[Cirvante]

PronozaSoldier wrote...

You're missing the point. Let me
put it this way, put a claymore on a GI and it'll kick ass. Put a
claymore on a volus and it'll kick ass too. Now put a katana on a GI
and it'll still perform well on gold, put a katana on a volus and get
your ass handed to you.

Point is the PPR is what melts enemies not the kit.

The volus mercs powers allow him to dump lots of aggro on his pets and stun
mooks, which he can then obliterate with his guns. He is more of a
weapons platform than the engineer or vanguard. How does that make him
a support kit? If you say he is one, then that just means that you're
not good enough to play him properly.

Shield boost isn't for spamming around your teammates to lock up their weapons, it's for
keeping yourself alive while running around wrecking sh*t with no
fitness and no cyclonics. A well-played volus is a killing machine and
all those terrible, shield-boosting volus pugs are the equivalent of
what the typical puggernaut is to a well-played siege pulse juggernaut.

And the GI is the best weapons platform in the game, so nice comparison there.

Modifié par Cirvante, 12 septembre 2013 - 06:32 .

[Br3admax]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

Volus are support characters.

Maybe to you, but when I play them, I refuse to sit up your butt and shield boost you to oblivion. And, I am quite capable of killing just fine. 

Edit: For obligatory Boogie pls

Picks class who's only point is to boost party's shields. Decides to do nothing but do what they should have picked a better class for. 

[Cirvante]

Br3ad wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

Volus are support characters.

Maybe to you, but when I play them, I refuse to sit up your butt and shield boost you to oblivion. And, I am quite capable of killing just fine. 

Edit: For obligatory Boogie pls

Picks class who's only point is to boost party's shields. Decides to do nothing but do what they should have picked a better class for. 

0/10, wouldn't bang, would throw out the airlock.

[quebra]

Cirvante wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

You're missing the point. Let me
put it this way, put a claymore on a GI and it'll kick ass. Put a
claymore on a volus and it'll kick ass too. Now put a katana on a GI
and it'll still perform well on gold, put a katana on a volus and get
your ass handed to you.

Point is the PPR is what melts enemies not the kit.

The volus mercs powers allow him to dump lots of aggro on his pets and stun
mooks, which he can then obliterate with his guns. He is more of a
weapons platform than the engineer or vanguard. How does that make him
a support kit? If you say he is one, then that just means that you're
not good enough to play him properly.

Shield boost isn't for spamming around your teammates to lock up their weapons, it's for
keeping yourself alive while running around wrecking sh*t with no
fitness and no cyclonics. A well-played volus is a killing machine and
all those terrible, shield-boosting volus pugs are the equivalent of
what the typical puggernaut is to a well-played siege pulse juggernaut.

And the GI is the best weapons platform in the game, so nice comparison there.

Love the analogy to the bs hex sheilding, non-stop melee knuckleheaded Juggys.  Yep, many kits can be played like crap.

[Miniditka77]

Fortack wrote...

The fundamental issue with this game, when it comes to "support", is that there really isn't any. Ideally, the sum of all players combined should be greater than the sum of its individual parts, but that, unfortunately, isn't the case. Hence why "supporting" kits don't truly exist. Four GIs are always going to finish games faster & easier than two GIs and two shieldboost spamming Volus, thus it's safe to say that a GI is a better "support" kit than any Volus.

Not "always" (unless you count wiping on Wave 3 as "finishing faster").  Four GI's in the hands of good players will definitely outperform 2 GI's and 2 Volus.  Four GI's played by some of the herp-derp players I see in PUGS will eat dirt.

You don't need "support" because you're good.  Not everybody is good.  That doesn't mean "support roles" don't exist - it just means they're not useful to you.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 12 septembre 2013 - 07:45 .

[brad2240]

I've only just finished my 200 waves with the Volsent and found that I liked the class a lot more now than I did initially. I wrote it off for a long time. While I was playing it, I spammed drone and decoy for CC and shield boost to keep myself alive. But I also boosted if I heard a nearby character say "shields down" or when I revived somebody. I boosted if we were taking hits during escorts or hacks.

But the whole time I never stopped blasting things in the face with my Talon.

I consider it a support kit, because it has powers that don't inflict much direct damage but help the team in other ways.

Am I doing it wrong?

[HoochieHamiltoe]

Br3ad wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Volus

No.

Volus are support characters.

Maybe to you, but when I play them, I refuse to sit up your butt and shield boost you to oblivion. And, I am quite capable of killing just fine. 

Edit: For obligatory Boogie pls

Picks class who's only point is to boost party's shields. Decides to do nothing but do what they should have picked a better class for. 

Seriously, L2P. 

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

Seriously, L2P. 

Did someone say Volus yet? I certainly hope so.

[robarcool]

Heldarion wrote...

Fortack wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

It's the PPR X + what look like incendiary IV that causes the havoc not the kit . You can put a PPR X+ incendiary IV on almost any kit in the game and it'll be good.

Yeah, the GI is a poor kit too. Tactical Cloak? Hunter Mode? Lol, they don't deal any damage unless you use a gun ...

Nah, lolGI is a crutch and takes no skill to play, cause obviously, you just slap Cyclonic IV on him and you're good to go! 

Damn it, I thought I was so skilled

[Xplode441]

What's with all this Volus hate here? You indentured servants mad because the Volus literally own you? Volus Adept has great survivability.

[Tokenusername]

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

Seriously, L2P. 

Did someone say Volus yet? I certainly hope so.

It was your good twin, Boogerman.

[Fortack]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Fortack wrote...

The fundamental issue with this game, when it comes to "support", is that there really isn't any. Ideally, the sum of all players combined should be greater than the sum of its individual parts, but that, unfortunately, isn't the case. Hence why "supporting" kits don't truly exist. Four GIs are always going to finish games faster & easier than two GIs and two shieldboost spamming Volus, thus it's safe to say that a GI is a better "support" kit than any Volus.

Not "always" (unless you count wiping on Wave 3 as "finishing faster").  Four GI's in the hands of good players will definitely outperform 2 GI's and 2 Volus.  Four GI's played by some of the herp-derp players I see in PUGS will eat dirt.

You don't need "support" because you're good.  Not everybody is good.  That doesn't mean "support roles" don't exist - it just means they're not useful to you.

If you get wiped on Wave 3 you're playing on a difficulty you're not (yet) ready for. Anyone who constantly goes down with a GI isn't going to be of much use when playing a Volus (or any other kit) either.

Unfortunately, "true support classes" do not exist in this game. Some kits have abilities that benefit the whole team but they are simply to insignificant to make much of a difference. Having said that, I do like people who try their best to help the team instead of score-whoring. But that does not change the fact that the latter are usually the more useful teammembers for quick games.

Modifié par Fortack, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:32 .

[lightswitch]

 this thread is juicy. I like it.

few things

Br3ad wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

A support character is one that makes the game easier for everyone. We are all support characters.

Even the Cabal Vanguard? 

Cabal is the best rez monkey in the game

PronozaSoldier wrote...

Volgineer would be my perception of a support character.

Pretty bad in taking or dishing out damage but can help other teammates be more effective by boosting their shields, revealing enemy positions and mass debuffing with recon mine and further debuffing with proxy mine.

I agree with this. Volgineer is so supportive he can't do anything without being at risk of helping his teammates. This makes him a horrible score****r and so I never play him.

robarcool wrote...

Still wrong. Volus aren't support kits.

uhhh I don't know man. Volus were obviously designed as support kits - they're mostly set up to do things like heal, debuff, draw aggro, and detonate stuff (and also tank and draw aggro especially in the case of the merc) - but we all know this game doesn't require team work or team roles, and especially once level X URs get involved every kit is basically turned into Rambo.

Fun facts about the Volus Engineer, once he gets both debuffs going on a target he has better weapon damage output than a Human Soldier. Unless, of course, said HSol is shooting at the same target the Engineer is debuffing, in which the HSol all of a sudden becomes a 5000 DPS capable kit with appropriate weaponry. Which is kind of a lot compared with the 2-3k DPS the Engineer will be doing.

If you pair him off with weapons platforms that don't really have debuffs (Destroyer, TGI, TSol) the levels of damage you can generate are pretty ridiculous - much more than the engineer would be able to generate on his own.

So you guys can go back to arguing whether or not Volus are limited to being support kits or not, but either way I will say this: the Engineer is definitely a team player.

Modifié par lightswitch, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:01 .

[Tokenusername]

lightswitch wrote...

*attempts at reason*

Stop it, you'll scare away the stupid.

Modifié par Tokenusername, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:02 .