SILENCE, if anyone can find a ****** in their armor it is the mighty and heroic David.MegaSovereign wrote...
Um, you'd have to do a lot of retconning to make conventional victory work....Or you introduce some really stupid weakness.
I don't think the Reaper threat was ever meant to be a conventional one anyway.
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MegaSovereign wrote...
Um, you'd have to do a lot of retconning to make conventional victory work....Or you introduce some really stupid weakness.
I don't think the Reaper threat was ever meant to be a conventional one anyway.
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
David7204 wrote...
I know I'd scrap it. I know I have a list of requirements for the nonconventional solution that would replace it. And of course, the conventional victory I would want to have alongside it.
Okay. How?
MegaSovereign wrote...
Um, you'd have to do a lot of retconning to make conventional victory work....Or you introduce some really stupid weakness.
I don't think the Reaper threat was ever meant to be a conventional one anyway.
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MegaSovereign wrote...
I guess you could say the Reapers were nerfed when the Protheans delayed their arrival...but that would mean that the threat was already half-solved by the time ME3 comes around.
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Singu wrote...
Reaper threat was a fixed threat multiplied by the number of cycles that added another reaper based upon Harbinger's designs. It's really not a strain to imagine a figurative achilles heel to that design that would allow a more probable and controlled solution towards defeating them.
Lukas got away with an exhaust pipe and Orville got away with simple bacteria to a seemingly insurmountable threat. I'm no writer, but I do have imagination and the potential to use it to create a more plausible end than what the crucible turned out to be in the end.
I don't know I think it could work, the Reapers usually steamrolled everyone because they caught the galaxy by suprise, we've got a two year window to research and equip weapons (Thanix cannons), build alliances create a defensive plan, would just have to loose the "Ah yes, Reapers" attitude and the idiot ball the leaders of the galaxy seem to be sharing. Reapers were originally built up as tough but not invincible, Soverign still needed to Geth to help him attach to the Citadel.KaiserShep wrote...
Greylycantrope wrote...
If you want to scrap the crucible you need to give ME2 an actual plot revolving around getting the galaxy ready for the Reapers.
Unfortunately, this is a double-edged sword in this discussion, because any conventional means of defeating the reapers requires the reapers to be nerfed considerably. But then they would be a betrayal of the narrative promise of the reapers steamrolling over the galaxy. You can't win.
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The wisdom<3<3David7204 wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Um, you'd have to do a lot of retconning to make conventional victory work....Or you introduce some really stupid weakness.
I don't think the Reaper threat was ever meant to be a conventional one anyway.
To make things absolutely ideal, yes. (And even then, I wouldn't significant change either the Reapers or the 'preparedness' of the galaxy. The Reapers would still be Reapers and the galaxy would still be the galaxy.)
But I think a reasonable good conventional victory could have been done as of ME 3.
A nonconventional solution not revealed until ME 3.RZIBARA wrote...
David7204 wrote...
I know I'd scrap it. I know I have a list of requirements for the nonconventional solution that would replace it. And of course, the conventional victory I would want to have alongside it.
Can you share it? I want to see it
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It wouldn't make much sense reallyKaiserShep wrote...
Don't get me wrong. I would very much prefer a conventional victory.
The heroism.Steelcan wrote...
The wisdom<3<3David7204 wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Um, you'd have to do a lot of retconning to make conventional victory work....Or you introduce some really stupid weakness.
I don't think the Reaper threat was ever meant to be a conventional one anyway.
To make things absolutely ideal, yes. (And even then, I wouldn't significant change either the Reapers or the 'preparedness' of the galaxy. The Reapers would still be Reapers and the galaxy would still be the galaxy.)
But I think a reasonable good conventional victory could have been done as of ME 3.
And neither stand up to much scutiny.Singu wrote...
Lukas got away with an exhaust pipe and Orville got away with simple bacteria to a seemingly insurmountable threat. I'm no writer, but I do have imagination and the potential to use it to create a more plausible end than what the crucible turned out to be in the end.
Steelcan wrote...
It wouldn't make much sense reallyKaiserShep wrote...
Don't get me wrong. I would very much prefer a conventional victory.
StreetMagic wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
I guess you could say the Reapers were nerfed when the Protheans delayed their arrival...but that would mean that the threat was already half-solved by the time ME3 comes around.
No more nerfed than they were with the ME1 ending. Same thing, basically. It just derails them for a bit.
Arrival would have been interesting to me if they had incorporated the sedation bit, and Harbinger's threat of indoctrination. "Struggle if you wish. Your mind will be mine."
But they didn't.
I think you ought to reexamine who's holding the 'idiot ball' if you seriously think the leaders of the galaxy are stupid simply for not building a bajillion dreadnoughts on Shepard's say-so.Greylycantrope wrote...
I don't know I think it could work, the Reapers usually steamrolled everyone because they caught the galaxy by suprise, we've got a two year window to research and equip weapons (Thanix cannons), build alliances create a defensive plan, would just have to loose the "Ah yes, Reapers" attitude and the idiot ball the leaders of the galaxy seem to be sharing. Reapers were originally built up as tough but not invincible, Soverign still needed to Geth to help him attach to the Citadel.
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Such heroic story telling! Bravo! Bravo! Another fine masterpiece.David7204 wrote...
A nonconventional solution not revealed until ME 3.RZIBARA wrote...
David7204 wrote...
I know I'd scrap it. I know I have a list of requirements for the nonconventional solution that would replace it. And of course, the conventional victory I would want to have alongside it.
Can you share it? I want to see it
No significantly effective preparations made until ME 3. (Although great progress can be made in weakening the Reapers before ME 3.)
A conventional victory and nonconventional solution alongside each other.
Shepard working on conventional assets and the nonconventional solution in parallel throughout ME 3, with the conventional victory hinted at but only ultimately revealed at the very end.
The nonconventional solution not going to waste somehow.
Both the conventional and nonconventional solutions being avaliable directly as a result of Shepard.
Conventional victory attained by Shepard in a single moment of great skill, willpower, or truth.
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I don't see what's so difficult to understand behind what I said, even with the sarcasm.David7204 wrote...
And this goes back to me wondering if you know what I'm talking about or not. Did you read the post proposing this idea? The post which specifically said proposed bonuses being much larger but only applying to single characters?The Night Mammoth wrote...
I just forgot every character had exactly the same stats and powers, is all.
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David7204 wrote...
A nonconventional solution not revealed until ME 3.RZIBARA wrote...
David7204 wrote...
I know I'd scrap it. I know I have a list of requirements for the nonconventional solution that would replace it. And of course, the conventional victory I would want to have alongside it.
Can you share it? I want to see it
No significantly effective preparations made until ME 3. (Although great progress can be made in weakening the Reapers before ME 3.)
A conventional victory and nonconventional solution alongside each other.
Shepard working on conventional assets and the nonconventional solution in parallel throughout ME 3, with the conventional victory hinted at but only ultimately revealed at the very end.
The nonconventional solution not going to waste somehow.
Both the conventional and nonconventional solutions being avaliable directly as a result of Shepard.
Conventional victory attained by Shepard in a single moment of great skill, willpower, or truth.
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MegaSovereign wrote...
StreetMagic wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
I guess you could say the Reapers were nerfed when the Protheans delayed their arrival...but that would mean that the threat was already half-solved by the time ME3 comes around.
No more nerfed than they were with the ME1 ending. Same thing, basically. It just derails them for a bit.
Arrival would have been interesting to me if they had incorporated the sedation bit, and Harbinger's threat of indoctrination. "Struggle if you wish. Your mind will be mine."
But they didn't.
Yea that would have been cool in terms of further expanding the Reapers' interest in Shepard. I still don't see how resisting indoctrination would have solved the Reaper threat.
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