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[d-boy15]

Something to do with her face (femshep) look weird compared to promo art?

[Sylvianus]

It's true that defaut femshep was quite ugly compared to defaut maleshep. :/

[Plaintiff]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
The current situation for women in games is. not. that. bad. bro. There is no oppression, segregation or bias going on the industry.

Dontnod Entertainment's difficulty in finding a publisher to accept the female protagonist of Remember Me suggests otherwise.

“We had some that said, 'Well, we don't want to publish it because that's not going to succeed. You can't have a female character in games. It has to be a male character, simple as that,'”

- Jean-Max Moris, director of 'Remember Me'

Source

[The Night Mammoth]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

spirosz wrote...
That's why I'm wondering what all the fuss is about, especially since we're in a day and age, where a cover is irrelevant because of how much we can find out about the game itself.

The supposed irreelevence of videogame covers didn't stop controversy from arising over the designs for The Last of Us and Bioshock Infinite.

The mainstream gaming audience doesn't go out of its way to seek additional information on a new game.

The Last of Us controversy only arised because one of the main characters looked like Ellen Page. I don't even know what you're referring to with Bioshock though.

Ken Levine was reported to have said that people in charge of advertising Bioshock Infinite told Irrational not to put Elizabeth on the cover because Booker, being a strong, white, male action protagonist, was much more marketable.

Okay, maybe I exaggerated that a little. It was basically that, despite Elizabeth being the real heart and soul of the game, and the player only ever getting to see Booker's face once, in pane of glass, Booker was put on the cover holding a gun, and Elizabeth put on the back, because Booker is a more marketable character.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 septembre 2013 - 01:35 .

[spirosz]

Plaintiff wrote...

The supposed irreelevence of videogame covers didn't stop controversy from arising over the designs for The Last of Us and Bioshock Infinite.

The mainstream gaming audience doesn't go out of its way to seek additional information on a new game.

They should.  

[Plaintiff]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

spirosz wrote...
That's why I'm wondering what all the fuss is about, especially since we're in a day and age, where a cover is irrelevant because of how much we can find out about the game itself.

The supposed irreelevence of videogame covers didn't stop controversy from arising over the designs for The Last of Us and Bioshock Infinite.

The mainstream gaming audience doesn't go out of its way to seek additional information on a new game.

The Last of Us controversy only arised because one of the main characters looked like Ellen Page. I don't even know what you're referring to with Bioshock though.

Well, before Ellen Page decided that she's the only person in the world who's allowed to look like Ellen Page, Naughty Dog reported that they were pressured by their marketing team to push the female character into the background of the cover and display the male character, Joel, more prominently.

Bioshock Infinite was the opposite: people complained about Elizabeth's absence from initial cover designs, which showed only the male protagonist. Ken Levine's justification for that decision was because he was trying to appeal to the 'frat boys' that he perceives as making up the majority of the gaming audience.

[spirosz]

Just because something doesn't succeed to the majority, doesn't mean it isn't quality, but 'Remember Me' is a decent title at best, regardless of a female/male lead.

[AresKeith]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
The current situation for women in games is. not. that. bad. bro. There is no oppression, segregation or bias going on the industry.

Dontnod Entertainment's difficulty in finding a publisher to accept the female protagonist of Remember Me suggests otherwise.

“We had some that said, 'Well, we don't want to publish it because that's not going to succeed. You can't have a female character in games. It has to be a male character, simple as that,'”

- Jean-Max Moris, director of 'Remember Me'

Source

And you know what's funny? That game did not succed. I mean, you can't put it all on the main character though. She was the main draw. The fact remains that stuff like GoW and CoD outsell most other games by a considerable margin, and their covers are generic as they get. They're not selling guy characters, they are selling their similarity to those games.

It's sad too because that game had good potential

[spirosz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

It's sad too because that game had good potential

Yeah, I'm not really sure why it didn't do well because I didn't play it, but the consensus is that it didn't live up to expectations. I have a feeling that it's going to have a cult status like Mirror's Edge though.

Well, if you don't have a publisher believing in you, funding you to the point where the game will be magnificent and a good time frame for development - you won't achieve dat "success" - not to say this was the issue for Remember Moi, but who knows.  

These issues are rather all over the place.  

[HiddenInWar]

Just go with the ME3 route and have both genders on a flippable cover?

Modifié par HiddenInWar, 12 septembre 2013 - 01:43 .

[Lenimph]

What expectations did Remember Me even have to live up too? Like I remember when I would read reviews for the game and many would complain that it wasn't open world.

When did they advertise open world... like they were picking on things the game never even tried to be in the first place...

[spirosz]

Flip covers are the best thing since peanut butter and jelly.

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

It's sad too because that game had good potential

Yeah, I'm not really sure why it didn't do well because I didn't play it, but the consensus is that it didn't live up to expectations. I have a feeling that it's going to have a cult status like Mirror's Edge though.

Well, if you don't have a publisher believing in you, funding you to the point where the game will be magnificent and a good time frame for development - you won't achieve dat "success" - not to say this was the issue for Remember Moi, but who knows.  

These issues are rather all over the place.  

Honestly the only issues I had was that the combat felt stiff, the platforming was meh, and the lack of Memory Remix segments

[Eragon-]

Why can't good things (Shadow of the Colossus) be on the PC ?

[spirosz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I have a feeling that I'm about to derail another thread, so let's just pull this back a little bit. Honestly, I think Bioware has a good past of choosing VAs for their female PCs, and I think that having a default female lead would be a nice change of pace. However, I wouldn't like it to be a political or social statement. I also don't think that change would impact the gaming industry in a serious way. I just like it on the grounds that it's different and Bioware has a real good taste in VAs.

No. 

[Plaintiff]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
And you know what's funny? That game did not succed.

So what?

I mean, you can't put it all on the main character though. She was the main draw.

Can you put any of it on the main character? Have you actually played this game in order to be in a position to lecture on its merits or lack thereof?

The assumption these publishers were making, that a game with a female protagonist will fail is a) sexist and intellectually dishonest. There are a dozen reasons that a game with a female protagonist might do poorly, none of which have anything to do with the gender of the character.

When a game with a male protagonist does poorly, the gender of the protagonist is not labelled as the cause for failure.

The fact remains that stuff like GoW and CoD outsell most other games by a considerable margin, and their covers are generic as they get.

The covers are generic because they are populated almost entirely by straight white males. The fact that you refer to that image as "generic" just proves everything I said.

They're not selling guy characters, they are selling their similarity to those games.

Yes. The similarity being that their protagonist is also male and white.

[spirosz]

Eragon- wrote...

Why can't good things (Shadow of the Colossus) be on the PC ?

Sony Exclusives the bomb.

I wish Journey was on the PC as well, ha.  

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Put Cassandra and another main NPC on the cover. Why put the protagonist on the cover? I'd much prefer the Inqusition logo anyways.

Or one that I made a number of months ago:

[Nightdragon8]

KBomb wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The privileged play through is the straight white male of course

Yes, but what if you're a straight white female playing a straight white male?

really people? i think this topic is going off the rails, in a game where you can play multi racial bi-gendered, and have herto or ****** relationships  WTF difference does it make who or what is on the box cover. If you make desionons on whats on the box cover your a moron... I don't care what you are, your just a moron for doing that. the same with all the ads for free to play games, great ad drawings, look any of the in game footage it looks like crap

the only time I can say wither or not buying a game for its cover, is if your collecting game cover art. and thats it. and even then your not going to unwrap the game to play it, your just buying it for the art, thats the only time i can think that you should buy for cover is only for the art of it.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 12 septembre 2013 - 02:03 .