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[Sylvianus]

WildOrchid wrote...

ScarMK wrote...


If we're going by looks, how do you know they're gay?

I know right, as if they assume the protagonists are straight.

That's funny. Each time I read your posts, in every topic, there's almost always the word straight somewhere. :/

Sounds like obession lol.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 septembre 2013 - 09:28 .

[mikeymoonshine]

This isn't about Political correctness! Well ok it is for some people but those people can go hang for all I care. This is about game developers and marketers doing something differently occasionally.

I think we are all gonna play inquisition regardless of who the Default is.

[AresKeith]

This is why games that allow players to choose Gender and/or race shouldn't market the PC (as much) or put them on the box art

[FKA_Servo]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

This isn't about Political correctness! Well ok it is for some people but those people can go hang for all I care. This is about game developers and marketers doing something differently occasionally.

I think we are all gonna play inquisition regardless of who the Default is.

Yep. Although I would add that most people who use the term "political correctness" without irony probably aren't at all interested in anything resembling the notion. I've found that when someone does, their whole ideology is pretty much laid bare. The rest of us just call it "empathy" or "not being a giant douche about everything."

The fact that people can be passionately in favor of a diverse representation in the marketing of a medium they enjoy is not at all surprising. The fact that some people can be so passionately against it, as are some of the posters in this thread, actually blows my mind.

Modifié par TommyServo, 11 septembre 2013 - 09:37 .

[mikeymoonshine]

TommyServo wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

This isn't about Political correctness! Well ok it is for some people but those people can go hang for all I care. This is about game developers and marketers doing something differently occasionally.

I think we are all gonna play inquisition regardless of who the Default is.

Yep. Although I would add that most people who use the term "political correctness" without irony probably aren't at all interested in anything resembling the notion. I've found that when someone does, their whole ideology is pretty much laid bare. The rest of us just call it "empathy" or "not being a giant douche about everything."

The fact that people can be passionately in favor of a diverse representation in the marketing of a medium they enjoy is not at all surprising. The fact that some people can be so passionately against it, as are some of the posters in this thread, actually blows my mind.

Yeh it just always become a flame war with one side saying Biggot and the other side saying "Anti white" 

There may well be people like that on this thread but in general they are pretty silly things to be saying to eachother. 

[Seboist]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

This isn't about Political correctness! Well ok it is for some people but those people can go hang for all I care. This is about game developers and marketers doing something differently occasionally.

Yes, forget logic and making money, they should just try "something different" just cuz, lol.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Seriously? You can select gender, race, all of that, yet some here are going to be offended if the "default" happened be male, or white, or both? The nerve of them implying that the PC could be such privileged scum.

This isn't a problem outside of the realm of people looking for a stupid reason to be offended by something, perhaps in the hope it will get them some attention.

If you want a black woman on the box, just say that instead of dressing it up in this talk of "diversification", "inclusion", etc.

[mikeymoonshine]

Seboist wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

This isn't about Political correctness! Well ok it is for some people but those people can go hang for all I care. This is about game developers and marketers doing something differently occasionally.

Yes, forget logic and making money, they should just try "something different" just cuz, lol.

Games with female protags, defaults and women on the cover have managed to sell and we all know that. 

Allot of people who play games like one this are women or gay or just not your typical "it has a woman in it so I won't buy it" person who I don't think even exists tbh. 

Modifié par mikeymoonshine, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:00 .

[RepHope]

Why? To make a statement about what that women are important? Uh yeah bioware already believes that hence why you get the option to play as a female at all. This seems stupid and rather pointless, I mean people are just going to pick the male option if they don't want to play as a female.

[Volus Warlord]

Make a two-sided box art that you can take out and flip for a female inquisitor on the cover.

Maybe then they'll shut the heck up.

[Wifflebottom]

You people say"politically correct" like it's an insult. That term is pretty much synonymous with being polite. Since when was being polite a bad thing?

Modifié par Wifflebottom, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:09 .

[KBomb]

Wifflebottom wrote...

You people say"politically correct" like it's an insult. That term is pretty much synonymous with being polite. Since when was being polite a bad thing?

It is little to do with politeness and more to do with the fact that some people think they're being treated poorly because they aren't as equally represented as much as the "privileged elite white man".

[Volus Warlord]

Wifflebottom wrote...

You people say"politically correct" like it's an insult.

It is an insult.

Wifflebottom wrote...
That term is pretty much synonymous with being polite.

No, not really, no. The term is synonymous with inauthenticity-making an effort to show an image of something that does not exist. 

[Sylvianus]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Seboist wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

This isn't about Political correctness! Well ok it is for some people but those people can go hang for all I care. This is about game developers and marketers doing something differently occasionally.

Yes, forget logic and making money, they should just try "something different" just cuz, lol.

Games with female protags, defaults and women on the cover have managed to sell and we all know that. 

Allot of people who play games like one this are women or gay or just not your typical "it has a woman in it so I won't buy it" person who I don't think even exists tbh. 

While I'm not really convinced by the argument that a female protagonist on the cover would mean that Bioware couldn't sell well the game, the " it has a woman in it, so I won't buy it " exists out there, I can tell that this is something that a lof of male gamers infortunately feel. And  I've seen myself this behavior a lot.

Well, I don't want to be rude, but out there, it's simple : There are male gamers that can't see, can't take seriously,  or can't buy the " female hero in their game. "  They don't even want to try and don't even give a chance to be interested into the game. It's not about, * ooh I'm really interested, I'd buy it buuut  a woman, so I won't buy it *, but more like : * well, Which game will I buy today ?  A female protagonist, yeah no, next. I don't even try to read what is written on the back of the cover and I look forward to another game. *

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:47 .

[Scarlet Rabbi]

I would love to see a female Inquisitor on the box art.

[Davrel]

I read the entire thread, this was the highlight:

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Look, I'm an Indian (feather, not dot)

Thank you sir, I laughed for a full minute.

Modifié par Davrel, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:55 .

[KBomb]

Sylvianus wrote...

While I'm not really convinced by the argument that a female protagonist on the cover would mean that Bioware couldn't sell well the game, the " it has a woman in it, so I won't buy it " exists out there, I can tell that this is something that a lof of male gamers infortunately feel. And  I've seen myself this behavior a lot.

Well, I don't want to be rude, but out there, it's simple : There are male gamers that can't see, can't take seriously,  or can't buy the " female hero in their game. "  They don't even want to try and don't even give a chance to be interested into the game. It's not about, * ooh I'm really interested, I'd buy it buuut  a woman, so I won't buy it *, but more like : * well, Which game will I buy today ?  A female protagonist, yeah no, next. I don't even try to read what is written on the back of the cover and I look forward to another game. *

True, but how much of that is more about preference than about sexism? Sexism is a word that gets thrown around way too much. (That wasn't directed at you, btw!).

You can't make everyone happy and trying to do so will just water down the game eventually. It'll be more about trying to please as many people as they can and less about just making a damned good game. That is the issue I have with making everything politically correct and socially acceptable. Too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.

[carine]

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

I would love to see a female Inquisitor on the box art.

Same here.

Or at least do what they did with Mass Effect and market both male and female Inquisitor.

[Angrywolves]

Can we avoid the sex arguments please?

[Wifflebottom]

KBomb wrote...
It is little to do with politeness and more to do with the fact that some people think they're being treated poorly because they aren't as equally represented as much as the "privileged elite white man".

Volus Warlord wrote...
It is an insult.
No, not really, no. The term is synonymous with inauthenticity-making an effort to show an image of something that does not exist. 

Merriam-Webster fully defines politically correct as: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

To me that sounds like political correctness is the belief that one shoud not be offensive in regards to race, sex, etc. That sounds alot like being polite. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I just thought being polite was the same as being unoffensive and being unoffensive is the same as being politically correct according to the definition of the term. Apologies for the being somewhat offtopic but I'm genuinely curious :happy:

OT: I think there should just be a nice symbol or logo on the cover and I'd enjoy it if there were no default inquisitors. But if there are that's fine I just won't use them 

Modifié par Wifflebottom, 11 septembre 2013 - 11:18 .

[Sylvianus]

KBomb wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

While I'm not really convinced by the argument that a female protagonist on the cover would mean that Bioware couldn't sell well the game, the " it has a woman in it, so I won't buy it " exists out there, I can tell that this is something that a lof of male gamers infortunately feel. And  I've seen myself this behavior a lot.

Well, I don't want to be rude, but out there, it's simple : There are male gamers that can't see, can't take seriously,  or can't buy the " female hero in their game. "  They don't even want to try and don't even give a chance to be interested into the game. It's not about, * ooh I'm really interested, I'd buy it buuut  a woman, so I won't buy it *, but more like : * well, Which game will I buy today ?  A female protagonist, yeah no, next. I don't even try to read what is written on the back of the cover and I look forward to another game. *

True, but how much of that is more about preference than about sexism? Sexism is a word that gets thrown around way too much. (That wasn't directed at you, btw!).

Yeah overall It would be more about preferences than anything else. ( I didn't even think about sexism personally, it was just an observation. ) There are also female gamers that don't play one game or another because the protagonist isn't female, aren't at all interested into male protagonists ( don't know why and never bothered to ask though ). For example my sister only play games with female protagonists ( couldn't connect to male protagonists except if they are hot guys like Ezio. <_< )

So if it is sexism, it goes both way lol.

For a long time, I couldn't stand myself games with female protagonists. Never was attracted, never wanted to try. And I'm not sure which was the reason that led me to think that way. It's after trying femshep in M2 that I totally changed my mind.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 septembre 2013 - 11:23 .

[Red Panda]

Dragon Age has a different fanbase than Mass Effect.

Sure there's some overlap, but Mass Effect's stats are terrible to use and bring up when DA2's are far more accurate.


Using DA2's stats, I'm sure a case could be made for a female default protagonist.

[KBomb]

Sylvianus wrote...

Yeah overall It would be more about preferences than anything else. ( I didn't even think about sexism personally, it was just an observation. ) There are also female gamers that don't play one game or another because the protagonist isn't female, aren't at all interested into male protagonists ( don't know why and never bothered to ask though ). For example my sister only play games with female protagonists ( couldn't connect to male protagonists except if they are hot guys like Ezio. <_< )

So if it is sexism, it goes both way lol.

For a long time, I couldn't stand myself games with female protagonists. Never was attracted, never wanted to try. And I'm not sure which was the reason that led me to think that way. It's after trying femshep in M2 that I totally changed my mind.

I remember a discussion I had with someone about the lack of romance options for female Shepard and I was naming off the available options when the person I was discussing it with mentioned that I forgot Samantha. I stated I don't do gay romances and they person called me a homophobe. I have also been called a "racist" because I won't romance dwarves either. So, words like that float around constantly in place of simple personal preference. I think the number of people who refuse to play a game unless it has an >insert male or female< , or chooses the game based strictly on box art is probably a low number when compared against those who play games based on word of mouth, reviews, experiences, etc.

I'd rather not see a floodgate open of video games being used as a medium to right social "wrongs". That's just my feeling on it.

[spirosz]

J. Reezy wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Why is this even important if you have the option of selecting your gender?

Because equal opportunity representation in marketing or you're a bigot!