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[Mr.House]

leaguer of one wrote...

Riversong wrote...

If she is his mother, I hope she takes that information with her to the grave. If Alistair has a weakness, it's family. She could use that to manipulate him into gaining support. It would also hurt for people to discover that his mother is not only an elf but the grand enchanter.

He already supports the mages.

Yes he did.... in DA2, beforet he events in Asunder. Peopel forget about one key thing about AListair. He hates blood magic and blood mages. Every time we met a blood mage or blood magic was invovled in DAO he would speak against it. I highly doubt he would help the mages in DAI if the bulk of them are using blood magic, unless he is that weak of a person and only helps them because mommy never knew me!

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 septembre 2013 - 04:09 .

[Milan92]

Mr.House wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If Fiona is in DAI, I hope we can kill her, same with Adrian. Also I hope Alistair if he chooses a faction chooses it on his beliefs, not because of his mommy.

i hate to say it, but you know an unhardened Alistair will side with mommy.

That's why you harden him.

But unhardend Alistair is so much more fun :happy:

[Han Shot First]

Neither do I.

Its a bit of a retcon, and I'd prefer they just kept Goldana's mother as being Alistair's. If Fiona was Alistair's mother, what was the whole point of the quest where you meet Alistair's 'family?'

That all being said as far as I'm concerned Goldana's mother being Alistair's mother is still canon. The way I see it, there are varying degrees of canon just like with the Star Wars universe. With Dragon Age the games would be the highest level of canon, followed by books or comics, and lastly by dev statements made on Twitter or interviews. Since the games implied that Goldana's mother gave birth to Alistair, I see that as still being canon until another Dragon Age game says otherwise.

[Mr.House]

ScarMK wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

That's why you harden him.

That implies Alistair being hardened or not is actually accounted for.

If peopel have Loghain and AListair both alive with Alistair as king, then he is harden, there's no wiggle room.

[Mr.House]

Milan92 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If Fiona is in DAI, I hope we can kill her, same with Adrian. Also I hope Alistair if he chooses a faction chooses it on his beliefs, not because of his mommy.

i hate to say it, but you know an unhardened Alistair will side with mommy.

That's why you harden him.

But unhardend Alistair is so much more fun :happy:

If by fun you mean being a big baby who didn't have a pair, sure.

[Former_Fiend]

Xsari Rose wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Xsari Rose wrote...

Just because the timeline fits with Alistair's birth doesn't prove anything. A man can get two women pregnant at roughly the same time. Maric could have slept with Alistair's mother the night before he went off with the wardens. There is a third son, possibly more and some daughters judging by Maric's reputation.

Then explain why Duncan knew that Fiona was pregnant with Marric's child and years later decided to recruit Alistair into the Grey Wardens?You may wish to deny it but the pieces fit with Alistair being Fiona's son and Duncan deciding to look after him,of course there may be more Therin kids but I doubt Alistair is the son of some random woman.

I can't, haven't read the book. Nor will I ever as it sounds like it really messes up Biowares original DA lore. Sounds like Gaider overlooked a lot of Origins just to try to make his story a bit more interesting. I won't believe Fiona is Alistair's mother untill its 100% proven. If it turns out to be true I'll be annoyed for a bit but won't let it ruin the rest of the franchise for me.

Well, to be perfectly fair, the first two novels, The Stolen Throne and [/i]The Calling[/i] were released before Origins. Presumably they were written at roughly the same time.

That being said, there are a lot of inconsistencies. I prefer to take the games over the books, though.

[ScarMK]

Mr.House wrote...

If peopel have Loghain and AListair both alive with Alistair as king, then he is harden, there's no wiggle room. 

Riiiight.  I forgot they could both be alive.  My mistake.

[leaguer of one]

ScarMK wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

That's why you harden him.

That implies Alistair being hardened or not is actually accounted for.

You do know that Alistar, Harden or not, sides with the mages.

[Milan92]

Mr.House wrote...

Milan92 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If Fiona is in DAI, I hope we can kill her, same with Adrian. Also I hope Alistair if he chooses a faction chooses it on his beliefs, not because of his mommy.

i hate to say it, but you know an unhardened Alistair will side with mommy.

That's why you harden him.

But unhardend Alistair is so much more fun :happy:

If by fun you mean being a big baby who didn't have a pair, sure.

But thats the fun part. He is such a wussy when he isn't hardend 

[leaguer of one]

Han Shot First wrote...

Neither do I.

Its a bit of a retcon, and I'd prefer they just kept Goldana's mother as being Alistair's. If Fiona was Alistair's mother, what was the whole point of the quest where you meet Alistair's 'family?'

That all being said as far as I'm concerned Goldana's mother being Alistair's mother is still canon. The way I see it, there are varying degrees of canon just like with the Star Wars universe. With Dragon Age the games would be the highest level of canon, followed by books or comics, and lastly by dev statements made on Twitter or interviews. Since the games implied that Goldana's mother gave birth to Alistair, I see that as still being canon until another Dragon Age game says otherwise.

It not a retcon. It new info that was previously unknown. A retcon ignores and does not take account of perious info in it's change.

[Mr.House]

leaguer of one wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

That's why you harden him.

That implies Alistair being hardened or not is actually accounted for.

You do know that Alistar, Harden or not, sides with the mages.

He won't be for long if the main mage faction has but loads of blood mages and supprots blood magic. Unless Bioware decides to destroy Alistair even more and spit on anything established, which at that point you might as well make a whole new character.

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 septembre 2013 - 04:01 .

[Mr.House]

leaguer of one wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Neither do I.

Its a bit of a retcon, and I'd prefer they just kept Goldana's mother as being Alistair's. If Fiona was Alistair's mother, what was the whole point of the quest where you meet Alistair's 'family?'

That all being said as far as I'm concerned Goldana's mother being Alistair's mother is still canon. The way I see it, there are varying degrees of canon just like with the Star Wars universe. With Dragon Age the games would be the highest level of canon, followed by books or comics, and lastly by dev statements made on Twitter or interviews. Since the games implied that Goldana's mother gave birth to Alistair, I see that as still being canon until another Dragon Age game says otherwise.

It not a retcon. It new info that was previously unknown. A retcon ignores and does not take account of perious info in it's change.

Until stated in-game, Alistair is the son of a maid, you can argue all you want, in the end. Game trumps book when it comes to a video game.

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 septembre 2013 - 04:03 .

[leaguer of one]

Mr.House wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Riversong wrote...

If she is his mother, I hope she takes that information with her to the grave. If Alistair has a weakness, it's family. She could use that to manipulate him into gaining support. It would also hurt for people to discover that his mother is not only an elf but the grand enchanter.

He already supports the mages.

Yes he did.... in DA2, beforet he events in Asunder. Peopel forget abouto ne key thing about AListair. He hates blood magic and mages. Every time we met a blood mage or blood magic was invovled in DAO he would speak against it. I highly doubt he would help the mages in DAi ift he bulk of them are using blood magic, unless he is that weak of a person and only helps them because mommy never knew me!

In correct. He does not hate mages. You can clearly see that with his relation ship with Wynne. Heck, he can even romance a female mage warden. He hates blood magic. That's different. The only mage he hates is Moragan and it has more to do with her personality then her being a mage. He has no hate or fear of magic, just a hate of blood magic.

[Mr.House]

Um I didn't say mages, I said blood magic and blood mages.

[leaguer of one]

Mr.House wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Neither do I.

Its a bit of a retcon, and I'd prefer they just kept Goldana's mother as being Alistair's. If Fiona was Alistair's mother, what was the whole point of the quest where you meet Alistair's 'family?'

That all being said as far as I'm concerned Goldana's mother being Alistair's mother is still canon. The way I see it, there are varying degrees of canon just like with the Star Wars universe. With Dragon Age the games would be the highest level of canon, followed by books or comics, and lastly by dev statements made on Twitter or interviews. Since the games implied that Goldana's mother gave birth to Alistair, I see that as still being canon until another Dragon Age game says otherwise.

It not a retcon. It new info that was previously unknown. A retcon ignores and does not take account of perious info in it's change.

Until stated in-game, Alistair is the son of a maid, you can argue all you want, in the end. Game trumps book when it comes to a video game.

Execpt much of the books have been Carried to the game. The architect first showed up in the books and so did Utha and they both later show up in DA:A.  That means the events of the calling happened.

[leaguer of one]

Mr.House wrote...

Um I didn't say mages, I said blood magic and blood mages.

And that still would not defer his support of mages. It just means he would support blood mages.

[ScarMK]

leaguer of one wrote...
In correct. He does not hate mages. You can clearly see that with his relation ship with Wynne. Heck, he can even romance a female mage warden. He hates blood magic. That's different. The only mage he hates is Morrigan and it has more to do with her personality then her being a mage. He has no hate or fear of magic, just a hate of blood magic.

I don't see him hating magic, seeing as how his unique gifts have some connection to it.  But I think he is really uneasy around any mage he doesn't know.

leaguer of one wrote...
And that still would not defer his support of mages. It just means he would support blood mages.

Which Alistair does not support at all.  Anytime Blood magic is brought up in Origins, he spoke out against it.  

Modifié par ScarMK, 11 septembre 2013 - 04:12 .

[leaguer of one]

Mr.House wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

That's why you harden him.

That implies Alistair being hardened or not is actually accounted for.

You do know that Alistar, Harden or not, sides with the mages.

He won't be for long if the main mage faction has but loads of blood mages and supprots blood magic. Unless Bioware decides to destroy Alistair even more and spit on anything established, which at that point you might as well make a whole new character.

You do know that mages have factions and don't all agree. Just like how the templars have the red templars, the mages would have there own faction of extemist of there own.

[Wulfram]

It would annoy me if they put the Fiona/Alistair thing into the games because I don't think it makes much sense without the books. There's really nothing in Origins that even hints at it.

[AresKeith]

Mr.House wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Riversong wrote...

If she is his mother, I hope she takes that information with her to the grave. If Alistair has a weakness, it's family. She could use that to manipulate him into gaining support. It would also hurt for people to discover that his mother is not only an elf but the grand enchanter.

He already supports the mages.

Yes he did.... in DA2, beforet he events in Asunder. Peopel forget about one key thing about AListair. He hates blood magic and blood mages. Every time we met a blood mage or blood magic was invovled in DAO he would speak against it. I highly doubt he would help the mages in DAI if the bulk of them are using blood magic, unless he is that weak of a person and only helps them because mommy never knew me!

Hopefully he acts smart and play neutral

[leaguer of one]

ScarMK wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
In correct. He does not hate mages. You can clearly see that with his relation ship with Wynne. Heck, he can even romance a female mage warden. He hates blood magic. That's different. The only mage he hates is Morrigan and it has more to do with her personality then her being a mage. He has no hate or fear of magic, just a hate of blood magic.

I don't see him hating magic, seeing as how his unique gifts have some connection to it.  But I think he is really uneasy around any mage he doesn't know.

He never shown an unease around mages he did not know. He only show unease if there's blood magic involved.

[Mr.House]

leaguer of one wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Neither do I.

Its a bit of a retcon, and I'd prefer they just kept Goldana's mother as being Alistair's. If Fiona was Alistair's mother, what was the whole point of the quest where you meet Alistair's 'family?'

That all being said as far as I'm concerned Goldana's mother being Alistair's mother is still canon. The way I see it, there are varying degrees of canon just like with the Star Wars universe. With Dragon Age the games would be the highest level of canon, followed by books or comics, and lastly by dev statements made on Twitter or interviews. Since the games implied that Goldana's mother gave birth to Alistair, I see that as still being canon until another Dragon Age game says otherwise.

It not a retcon. It new info that was previously unknown. A retcon ignores and does not take account of perious info in it's change.

Until stated in-game, Alistair is the son of a maid, you can argue all you want, in the end. Game trumps book when it comes to a video game.

Execpt much of the books have been Carried to the game. The architect first showed up in the books and so did Utha and they both later show up in DA:A.  That means the events of the calling happened.

Funyy thing aobut that, Architect hardly ever apeaks about the events from the book at all, in fact his new plan is nott he same plan he had in the book. While true a character from the book is in the game, the fact that this character hardly even mentions those events and now has much diffrent motives does not help your case.

I hope it's outright revelaed Fiona is not AListairs mother to at last put this fan wish dream in the casket.

[Knight of Dane]

Inqusition could make hints at it. But I agree, I don't see why it should be in this game unless Alistair and Fiona happens to be heavily involved in the same chunk of the story.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 11 septembre 2013 - 04:13 .

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Riversong wrote...

If she is his mother, I hope she takes that information with her to the grave. If Alistair has a weakness, it's family. She could use that to manipulate him into gaining support. It would also hurt for people to discover that his mother is not only an elf but the grand enchanter.

He already supports the mages.

Yes he did.... in DA2, beforet he events in Asunder. Peopel forget about one key thing about AListair. He hates blood magic and blood mages. Every time we met a blood mage or blood magic was invovled in DAO he would speak against it. I highly doubt he would help the mages in DAI if the bulk of them are using blood magic, unless he is that weak of a person and only helps them because mommy never knew me!

Hopefully he acts smart and play neutral

I'm guessing in someway he is going to support the inquisitor.

[Wulfram]

leaguer of one wrote...

He never shown an unease around mages he did not know. He only show unease if there's blood magic involved.

He makes a comment about Morrigan and Flemeth being Apostates to Duncan right at the start.