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[ScarMK]

Mr.House wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...


Dev quotes are the highiest form of canon? Something only maybe 10% of their audience sees rather than a product the company actually sells?

If they don't bother seeking it out in the first place, I don't think they really cared for the lore in the first place.  They probably just see it as another game to play.

Not everyone has time to go to a forum you know. To even think that to really care for the lore is to be on the forum or follow the devs is just silly.

Last I checked the wiki has dev quotes, as do fan sites and blogs. (Or they at least provide links to the quotes.) 

Modifié par ScarMK, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:05 .

[leaguer of one]

TK514 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Except Ander's was not born in the circle and he knows who his mother really is.

So does Alistair.  A maid at Redcliffe, and he has a sister named Goldanna.

The only person that says that is Goldanna, who never saw him as a baby or his birth. Added, Fiona ask Maric to cover up the fact  her baby was mothered by an Elf.
It's a cover up.

[TK514]

leaguer of one wrote...

TK514 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Except Ander's was not born in the circle and he knows who his mother really is.

So does Alistair.  A maid at Redcliffe, and he has a sister named Goldanna.

The only person that says that is Goldanna, who never saw him as a baby or his birth. Added, Fiona ask Maric to cover up the fact  her baby was mothered by an Elf.
It's a cover up.

eamon says it.  Maric said it.  Loghain said it.  Teagan said it.  

[Herr Uhl]

leaguer of one wrote...

TK514 wrote...

So does Alistair.  A maid at Redcliffe, and he has a sister named Goldanna.

The only person that says that is Goldanna, who never saw him as a baby or his birth. 

And the only person mentioning Anders mom is Anders, who didn't see himself as a baby or his birth.

Coincidence? I think not!

[leaguer of one]

TK514 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TK514 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Except Ander's was not born in the circle and he knows who his mother really is.

So does Alistair.  A maid at Redcliffe, and he has a sister named Goldanna.

The only person that says that is Goldanna, who never saw him as a baby or his birth. Added, Fiona ask Maric to cover up the fact  her baby was mothered by an Elf.
It's a cover up.

eamon says it.  Maric said it.  Loghain said it.  Teagan said it.  

Maric never says it nor is in any of the games. Eamon is in on the cover up. Teagan does not know about it being that he was young at the time of Alistars birth anyway. Loghain was not involve in the cover up at all.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:11 .

[leaguer of one]

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TK514 wrote...

So does Alistair.  A maid at Redcliffe, and he has a sister named Goldanna.

The only person that says that is Goldanna, who never saw him as a baby or his birth. 

And the only person mentioning Anders mom is Anders, who didn't see himself as a baby or his birth.

Coincidence? I think not!

So his mom is lying to him....

[cjones91]

TK514 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Except Ander's was not born in the circle and he knows who his mother really is.

So does Alistair.  A maid at Redcliffe, and he has a sister named Goldanna.

He was told that.

[Daerog]

leaguer of one wrote...

So his mom is lying to him....

Not that shocking. If people are lying to Alistair, why not the lady who took Anders in to take care of him?

However, the real issue is that Anders' family is from the Anderfels... that'll be quite the trip to hide a bastard of the king.

[leaguer of one]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

So his mom is lying to him....

Not that shocking. If people are lying to Alistair, why not the lady who took Anders in to take care of him?

However, the real issue is that Anders' family is from the Anderfels... that'll be quite the trip to hide a bastard of the king.

True...http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Anders#Background

Anders is not even his real name...

[Potato Cat]

If you look on the front page, I posted words right out of Maric's mouth that strongly suggest that Alistair's mother was more than just a one night stand. Fiona is Alistair's mother.

[DarthLaxian]

Amirit wrote...

I was always skeptical about possibility for Alistair to be Fiona's son. Too many problems.

1. Goldanna. How could Duncan know that there is a maiden ready to give a birth and dye together with the baby (which would work as a cover for Alistair's real parent)? Did Duncan just run around with a baby on his hand desperately looking for such option?

2. Redcliff. Seriously, a Greywarden comes in with a baby on his hands and _nobody_ saw him? Not a single servant? More that this, he left without a baby and still no one had a clue? The whole castle full of blind servants? Otherwise someone would tell Alistair something is wrong here.

3. Arl Eamon. Should he even suspect a drop of elven blood he would never suggest Alistair a throne. Arl Eamon tuned his own son to the Circle - he is obeying low to the latter. No way he would support a half-elf on the throne.

I can go one but the point is - there are too many things against it. Sure, those who want to believe in elven Alistair do not need any evidence. And sure if Gaider decide to canon it in DAI he would not even need to explain anything (take Anders as a proof of unrestricted writers imagination). I personally just curious about resolution of that mystery too.

(Personal dream - we have a companion who tuns out to be Fiona's son and have to help him to find his mother (as a companion personal quest))

there are no "half-elfs" - people with one elf and one human as the parents are always human as far as i know!

and having an elf-mother is not worse then having a bloody servant for a mother! (even more as Fiona is a Grey-Warden and later the leader of the mages - having a connection to her is an advantage if anything!)

greetings LAX

[Daerog]

Elfman wrote...

If you look on the front page, I posted words right out of Maric's mouth that strongly suggest that Alistair's mother was more than just a one night stand. Fiona is Alistair's mother.

You mean the part where Maric says the people he loves are in the Fade, including Alistair's mom?

Maric loved a lot of people and Fiona is still alive (as far as we know). Even that elf rogue who was in Stolen Throne seemed to be in the Fade as well, Maric is going to run into a lot of loved ones....

[DarthLaxian]

Mr.House wrote...
Yes she is, read Asunder.

i did, and she is no extremist (she was for ending the circles, but she was not for blowing up the chantry etc. - she is a "run of the mill libertarian", she is just more outspoken about her views then some others!)

oh and by the way: the extremist is YOU - advocating blindly killing the mage-leaders (hell i would not kill a character just for not liking him or her - i kill with purpose (punishment for example - Loghain was a classic case, he was a traitor and deserved death!) not just for fun (i don't engage people in combat if i don't have to - meaning: if it turns hostile, i have to...meaning i would probably leave animals alone, if they didn't attack me (or if i didn't need something from them, like say a pelt, bones etc.))

no wounder you have that avatar - that's that iron-borne leader from A game of Thrones, isn't it...their motto is that they don't work the fields, they rather steal and pillage what they want from other people, while killing and raping them in the process...pretty sick IMHO!

greetings LAX
ps: please don't talk about Wynn's whimpy son who can't seem to decide stuff for himself...bah i hate that character!

[Amirit]

DarthLaxian wrote...

there are no "half-elfs" - people with one elf and one human as the parents are always human as far as i know!

and having an elf-mother is not worse then having a bloody servant for a mother! (even more as Fiona is a Grey-Warden and later the leader of the mages - having a connection to her is an advantage if anything!)

Tell it to Fenriel, please. Poor guy does not know he is pure human, treated badly by both sides.

And, btw, where did you get the idea about "
having an elf-mother is not worse then having a bloody servant for a mother! "  Any existin nobles in Thedas with elves for mother or father? Please, link one.

[ScarMK]

Amirit wrote...

Tell it to Fenriel, please. Poor guy does not know he is pure human, treated badly by both sides.

And, btw, where did you get the idea about "
having an elf-mother is not worse then having a bloody servant for a mother! "  Any existin nobles in Thedas with elves for mother or father? Please, link one.

I think either Bioware tried to retcon the elf + human offspring looking like human or that the art team didn't know/cared anything about the lore.  (Which given the shoeless elves, the combat animations and the like, makes sense.)

[leaguer of one]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Elfman wrote...

If you look on the front page, I posted words right out of Maric's mouth that strongly suggest that Alistair's mother was more than just a one night stand. Fiona is Alistair's mother.

You mean the part where Maric says the people he loves are in the Fade, including Alistair's mom?

Maric loved a lot of people and Fiona is still alive (as far as we know). Even that elf rogue who was in Stolen Throne seemed to be in the Fade as well, Maric is going to run into a lot of loved ones....

The fade is a place of illustion. Dead people don't go to the fade. We know from the calling that the fade can give the illution of love ones being near. Being that he can manipulate the fade as he sees it he can make anyone he cares for pop up as an illustion.

Again, Dead people don't go to the fade.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 11 septembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Daerog]

Starting a world war and disregarding the mortal danger she is placing all of her subordinates in is a pretty bad thing. I'm not calling her an extremist, but she is a warmonger. If one was to kill Loghain for perceived crimes against his nation (my canon cut him down as well, though not happily, just to get things moving to end the Blight) what about one who plunges the world into war without trying to work with others who could help reform and slowly bring change?

[Daerog]

leaguer of one wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Elfman wrote...

If you look on the front page, I posted words right out of Maric's mouth that strongly suggest that Alistair's mother was more than just a one night stand. Fiona is Alistair's mother.

You mean the part where Maric says the people he loves are in the Fade, including Alistair's mom?

Maric loved a lot of people and Fiona is still alive (as far as we know). Even that elf rogue who was in Stolen Throne seemed to be in the Fade as well, Maric is going to run into a lot of loved ones....

The fade is a place of illustion. Dead people don't go to the fade. We know from teh calling that the fade can give the illution of love ones being near. Being that he can manipulate the fade as he sees it he can make anyone he cares for pop up as an illuiton.

Again, Dead people don't go to the fade.

I think it has been established that the dead do pass through the Fade, and many seem to believe that some linger while others move on. The village in Awakening shows real souls trapped in the Fade even though they are no longer of the living, and they move on afterwards.

I don't know, there is no real solid evidence one way or the other besides dev quotes, illusion realms are always confusing.

[leaguer of one]

Amirit wrote...

DarthLaxian wrote...

there are no "half-elfs" - people with one elf and one human as the parents are always human as far as i know!

and having an elf-mother is not worse then having a bloody servant for a mother! (even more as Fiona is a Grey-Warden and later the leader of the mages - having a connection to her is an advantage if anything!)

Tell it to Fenriel, please. Poor guy does not know he is pure human, treated badly by both sides.

And, btw, where did you get the idea about "
having an elf-mother is not worse then having a bloody servant for a mother! "  Any existin nobles in Thedas with elves for mother or father? Please, link one.

1. The fact that you noted how half bloods are not welcome on both sides show how it's worse then being a child of a servent.

2. This is a fereldin. There is not class system. It matters not what class you are born in. Heck, Loghain himself is the hand of the king and he start out a son of a farmer.

[Maugrim]

leaguer of one wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Elfman wrote...

If you look on the front page, I posted words right out of Maric's mouth that strongly suggest that Alistair's mother was more than just a one night stand. Fiona is Alistair's mother.

You mean the part where Maric says the people he loves are in the Fade, including Alistair's mom?

Maric loved a lot of people and Fiona is still alive (as far as we know). Even that elf rogue who was in Stolen Throne seemed to be in the Fade as well, Maric is going to run into a lot of loved ones....

The fade is a place of illustion. Dead people don't go to the fade. We know from teh calling that the fade can give the illution of love ones being near. Being that he can manipulate the fade as he sees it he can make anyone he cares for pop up as an illuiton.

Again, Dead people don't go to the fade.

Ding ding ding.

Also mages DO go to the Fade in their sleep, so it's doubly covered.  Gotta love people preaching about lore and not understanding a lick of it.

[Taleroth]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Starting a world war and disregarding the mortal danger she is placing all of her subordinates in is a pretty bad thing.

And the circle is an act of genocide.

Somehow, I don't think fighting against it should be treated as bad as you claim.

[leaguer of one]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Elfman wrote...

If you look on the front page, I posted words right out of Maric's mouth that strongly suggest that Alistair's mother was more than just a one night stand. Fiona is Alistair's mother.

You mean the part where Maric says the people he loves are in the Fade, including Alistair's mom?

Maric loved a lot of people and Fiona is still alive (as far as we know). Even that elf rogue who was in Stolen Throne seemed to be in the Fade as well, Maric is going to run into a lot of loved ones....

The fade is a place of illustion. Dead people don't go to the fade. We know from teh calling that the fade can give the illution of love ones being near. Being that he can manipulate the fade as he sees it he can make anyone he cares for pop up as an illuiton.

Again, Dead people don't go to the fade.

I think it has been established that the dead do pass through the Fade, and many seem to believe that some linger while others move on. The village in Awakening shows real souls trapped in the Fade even though they are no longer of the living, and they move on afterwards.

I don't know, there is no real solid evidence one way or the other besides dev quotes, illusion realms are always confusing.

No it has not. It was made clear that they don't. Justice for one makes it clear of that. Peoples souls can get trapped in the fade or held there by demons but they don't go to the fade. The village is an exaple of souls being trapped in the fade by a demon. That is the only way they get stuck there. Outside of that the dead are not connect to the fade in any way.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 11 septembre 2013 - 06:00 .

[leaguer of one]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Starting a world war and disregarding the mortal danger she is placing all of her subordinates in is a pretty bad thing. I'm not calling her an extremist, but she is a warmonger. If one was to kill Loghain for perceived crimes against his nation (my canon cut him down as well, though not happily, just to get things moving to end the Blight) what about one who plunges the world into war without trying to work with others who could help reform and slowly bring change?

She did not start the war. All she did is start the discussion of seperation. It was the actions of others that started the war.

[Daerog]

Taleroth wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Starting a world war and disregarding the mortal danger she is placing all of her subordinates in is a pretty bad thing.

And the circle is an act of genocide.

Somehow, I don't think fighting against it should be treated as bad as you claim.

Her ill preparation of it was bad. She had no plan for the afterwards, except to split and everyone had to deal with it, which she should have known what the actions of others would have been. True it was others reactions that truly initiated the war, but she had to have known that it would have been the likely reaction.

Being against the Circle is not bad, it's how she went about it considering her responsibilities that was bad, it seemed to me that she only cared about the fight and not the many lives of mages, Templars, and civilians that would be lost.

I would think she is as responsible as Lambert.

(if it seems my stance is changing in my posts, it may well be, I don't have a clear standing on any side, I just want to bring up points and see the responses by others to see if new views or points can be brought up.)

As for the Fade, sure, correction acknowledged, as it is only the belief of the people of Thedas and not fact.

As for the topic, I've said in another thread that I would like the third theirin theory to be true, but with timeline changes designed to coincide Alistair with Fiona, the Fiona-Alistair connection seems to be the preferred theory by the powers of BW.

Again, just thoughts, not actually a card carrying mage or Templar supporter personally. Although my characters are.

[Mead Knight]

Here's my theory:
Seeing how much importance is placed on the Therin bloodline in the comics, and how Alistair can be dead in some playthroughs, they needed to leave in the possibility of a third Therin.
If Alistair is still alive in your personal canon, he will be the child of Maric and Fiona.
But if Alistair is dead, there will conveniently be a third Therin to continue the bloodline and further the story.