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Magdalena11

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I've sadly never thought about other countries because I live where it happened. We're pretty protected over here. The government, for good or ill, protects its citizens from the atrocities of life.I'd like to think that across the world is a place that people can live their lives and be happy. Obviously, I'm poorly informed and that's too bad.A former co-worker from Bosnia told me about how his father was murdered and I cried in the break room. I'd like to think I live in the land of the free and the brave and what I'm finding out is that I live in the land of the sheltered and the hesitant.

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Bionuts

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Trust me. America is no picnic if you live out here in Dallas. Too much death.

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They may of been strangers but we shared a planet with them so in a way that makes us all neighbors

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Magdalena11

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Death comes to everyone. I'm OK with this. It's the how and the why that bothers me.

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I wonder if muslims remember the people Americans killed in their countries, I also wonder if some of them see americans as the true terrorists.

I'm not taking parts, i'm just wondering.

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I don't think it's a muslim thing. Everyone suffers when someone they cares about isn't there anymore. I just want to remember the 1000+ empty places at the table.

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While I did not lose anyone directly on 9/11, it did affect many I know and have met, including some folks on the Bioware forums that were wanting to talk that day.

And I believe an annual memorial is appropriate so that none forget, and history then can be altered moving forward.

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Bionuts wrote...

I can move one, because death happens all the time. We all get used to it.

I'm not a sociopath, but have very little feeling towards these things, anymore.



Then feel free to vacate a thread that has nothing to offer you.

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RedJohn wrote...

I wonder if muslims remember the people Americans killed in their countries, I also wonder if some of them see americans as the true terrorists.

I'm not taking parts, i'm just wondering.


Of course.

There are no "good guys" when it all comes down to it.

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Bionuts wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

I wonder if muslims remember the people Americans killed in their countries, I also wonder if some of them see americans as the true terrorists.

I'm not taking parts, i'm just wondering.


Of course.

There are no "good guys" when it all comes down to it.


"We're all killers, Alistair."

But we're not.  Don't let hate and prejudice color your life.  Let those who have gone before mean something.

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Bionuts wrote...


Of course.

There are no "good guys" when it all comes down to it.


Nope, there's only ****s who think becase everyone is inherently evil, we shouldn't mourn the death of innocents caused by callous hate. For some reason, it suddenly means we should stop TRYING to even care. 

I had friends who lost their lives that day. So you can leave your insensitive opinions to yourself. 

Modifié par Savber100, 11 septembre 2013 - 07:37 .


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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I will say in here the same I said in the earlier (misplaced) thread:

No single historic event should be attributed special recognition past the historic relevance of remembering and learning.
My condolences to people that lost their lifes and their relatives and friends who lost family/friends.
But bringing this up every year for now over a decade as if it was something that changed the world (which it didn't!) is wrong.


And not only wrong but generally hypocritical, as there's millions of people right now, this very moment, that suffer crisis, droughts, famine, sickness and from those people, again millions suffer all that for most, if not all of their lifes.


I am not an emotional cripple, but this 9/11 yaddayadda is plain wrong.

I gotta agree with this. Pretty much how I feel about the whole thing tbh.

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Watch out, Bionuts. You might cut yourself on all that edge.

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Allan Schumacher wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

I can move one, because death happens all the time. We all get used to it.

I'm not a sociopath, but have very little feeling towards these things, anymore.



Then feel free to vacate a thread that has nothing to offer you.

Allan it might not do anything for her, but it might help others

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This is a reminder that political threads are not permitted, so let's try and keep the "America is better than you" and "America deserved it" type posts out of the discussion. Thank you.

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Might as well lock this thread now.

I can't believe the amount of the posts in here that criticize others for "making a big deal out of this event."

I can appreciate your logic. Many people around the world are suffering as we remember the 9/11 attacks, but for God's sake, calling those who are trying to mourn their love ones and friends "hypocritical" is very inappropriate.

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bmwcrazy wrote...

I can appreciate your logic. Many people around the world are suffering as we remember the 9/11 attacks, but for God's sake, calling those who are trying to mourn their love ones and friends "hypocritical" is very inappropriate.


That would be accurate ... if it weren't for the fact I didn't.


Because:
Loading history with unnecessary emotion and relevance being hypocritical =/= Calling mourning people hypocritical.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Because:
Loading history with unnecessary emotion and relevance being hypocritical =/= Calling mourning people hypocritical.


And just who exactly is loading history with unnecessary emotion and relevance? What are you talking about?

I'm in New York and most people are simply paying tribute to the fallen their own simple ways. Like posting a picture. Some of you are so out of touch with reality.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 11 septembre 2013 - 09:18 .


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bmwcrazy wrote...

Might as well lock this thread now.

I can't believe the amount of the posts in here that criticize others for "making a big deal out of this event."

I can appreciate your logic. Many people around the world are suffering as we remember the 9/11 attacks, but for God's sake, calling those who are trying to mourn their love ones and friends "hypocritical" is very inappropriate.


I'm not quite sure people have done that. I think the closest people have gotten to that is insinuating that stuff like this happens around the world all of the time, but the people around the world don't mourn every event. Makes sense from them because it happens a lot, makes sense for us since it doesn't happen a lot.

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This thread should be locked based on the principle no one should create a thread on an anniversary of a tragedy. This is a bad example to set. You don't see Irish Catholics coming on every January 30th talking about Bloody Sunday, or Brits coming on talking about July 7th 2005.
Every single week we'd see a new thread based on some past tragedy. I feel sorry for the people that died and their families but this is a Bioware Forum and 9/11 nor ANY other tragedy should be discussed here. I'm sure there are plenty of other forums to discuss such matters, I personally feel this is not the right place to talk about historical tragedy's. May all the innocents who died that day rest in peace.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm not quite sure people have done that. I think the closest people have gotten to that is insinuating that stuff like this happens around the world all of the time, but the people around the world don't mourn every event. Makes sense from them because it happens a lot, makes sense for us since it doesn't happen a lot.


I understand that.

However I just don't think it's appropriate to criticize those who want to remember the event, or accuse them of something as ridiculous as "loading history with unnecessary emotion and relevance."

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I generally adopt the rule of live and let live. The only thing that annoys me about 9/11 is the endless conspiracies. Different annoyance for a different time for a different thread on a different forum though.

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luna1124 wrote...

Geeze @Bionuts What is wrong with you? :(


He's nuts (hint: it's in his name). He thinks all humans are egotists who don't care that others world-wide are dying. I care because it shows the descent of humanity. Yeah there are a lot of egotists and people out for themselves and I have no faith in humanity any longer but I won't condemn the individual for that or any innocent who dies to terrorism.

Things like 9/11 and 7/11 weren't just attacks against the people who died but attacks against our civilization and society and therefore against us.

Next Bionuts will be telling us not to acknowledge Remembrance Day.

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KOM_95 wrote...

This thread should be locked based on the principle no one should create a thread on an anniversary of a tragedy. This is a bad example to set. You don't see Irish Catholics coming on every January 30th talking about Bloody Sunday, or Brits coming on talking about July 7th 2005.
Every single week we'd see a new thread based on some past tragedy. I feel sorry for the people that died and their families but this is a Bioware Forum and 9/11 nor ANY other tragedy should be discussed here. I'm sure there are plenty of other forums to discuss such matters, I personally feel this is not the right place to talk about historical tragedy's. May all the innocents who died that day rest in peace.


EXACTLY. 
A few years ago when I was on this site I was very outspoken about politics, it ruins everything. I have my own believes about 9/11 etc, please don't post stuff :P 

AND. Anybody been in New York and seen the towers? I live in a small place and I can't get my head around the size of those towers lol :whistle:

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I kind of agree with locking this thread, the BW forums are global community and perhaps acknowledging such tragedies like this is a mistake. It becomes an argument of who's tragedy was worse and that's pointless.

The thing that we can all agree on is that horrible tragedies happen every day all over the world. Why don't you pick one day a year and do something positive to help people on that day in honour of the victims all over the World.

And the people actually effected by 911 can mourn in peace without having to suffer the inevitable footage and images of the planes going into the towers being looped constantly on tv and printed in papers.