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[bmwcrazy]

iriotboy wrote...

AND. Anybody been in New York and seen the towers? I live in a small place and I can't get my head around the size of those towers lol 

I moved to NY in 2002 for college. So no, I never got to see the towers. I've only been to the Ground Zero once.

I now work in Midtown Manhattan which is kind of far from Wall Street.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 11 septembre 2013 - 09:59 .

[KBomb]

I think if you're disconnected to the event, you're less likely to relate to it. My friend lost his girlfriend that day. He was in Virginia visiting and I remember watching it unfold on the television with him. He was constantly trying to call her cell phone with no luck. I remember his grief and fear and I remember the small bit of hope he had as the news announcer stated that firemen had entered the building in hopes of finding more survivors and I remember the anguished sob that he made as we saw the entire building collapse, knowing that not only the firemen were now dead, but so was any hope that anyone else inside would make it out.

You don't forget that. I don't care how many years pass. I don't care how many other tragedies happens in the world, you don't forget those moments.

As far as saying, "There are horrible things that happen every single day.", that is a point that is senseless to even try to make. With every event, there is always something worse happening in the world. Always. Your tragedy is nothing compared to someone else's, somewhere in the world and so on and so on. If we follow that logic, then no one should give a crap about anyone. Why care about those miners who died in that cave in? There is something worse happening! Why care about those refugees, there is something worse happening!

I'd like to think a person can have empathy enough without having to "save it up" for a rainy day. If you only have so much and feel you have to divvy it up like a ration, well, then that says more about you than it does about the people who post memorials.

But you know, I guess it's more edgy to be numb.

[iriotboy]

bmwcrazy wrote...


I moved to NY in 2002 for college. So no, I never got to see the towers. I've only been to the Ground Zero once.

I now work in Midtown Manhattan which is kind of far from Wall Street.

I'd love to visit New York, looks damn cool! 

[Magdalena11]

KOM_95 wrote...

This thread should be locked based on the principle no one should create a thread on an anniversary of a tragedy. This is a bad example to set. You don't see Irish Catholics coming on every January 30th talking about Bloody Sunday, or Brits coming on talking about July 7th 2005.
Every single week we'd see a new thread based on some past tragedy. I feel sorry for the people that died and their families but this is a Bioware Forum and 9/11 nor ANY other tragedy should be discussed here. I'm sure there are plenty of other forums to discuss such matters, I personally feel this is not the right place to talk about historical tragedy's. May all the innocents who died that day rest in peace.

Maybe, for the sake of us all, we should remember those days.  The thing that makes us human and not bestial is the capability to care about others.  I really don't care about the politics involved.  You mention Bloody Sunday and I think of the couple dozen children whose fathers didn't come home to tuck them in.  What religion they were is irrelevant.  I'd like to give hate a black eye and stand up for being a decent person.

[KOM_95]

Magdalena11 wrote...

KOM_95 wrote...

This thread should be locked based on the principle no one should create a thread on an anniversary of a tragedy. This is a bad example to set. You don't see Irish Catholics coming on every January 30th talking about Bloody Sunday, or Brits coming on talking about July 7th 2005.
Every single week we'd see a new thread based on some past tragedy. I feel sorry for the people that died and their families but this is a Bioware Forum and 9/11 nor ANY other tragedy should be discussed here. I'm sure there are plenty of other forums to discuss such matters, I personally feel this is not the right place to talk about historical tragedy's. May all the innocents who died that day rest in peace.

Maybe, for the sake of us all, we should remember those days.  The thing that makes us human and not bestial is the capability to care about others.  I really don't care about the politics involved.  You mention Bloody Sunday and I think of the couple dozen children whose fathers didn't come home to tuck them in.  What religion they were is irrelevant.  I'd like to give hate a black eye and stand up for being a decent person.

100% correct we should remember those days, just not here.

[Magdalena11]

iriotboy wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...


I moved to NY in 2002 for college. So no, I never got to see the towers. I've only been to the Ground Zero once.

I now work in Midtown Manhattan which is kind of far from Wall Street.

I'd love to visit New York, looks damn cool! 

NY isn't very different from most cities.  It's cool if you go for that sort of thing and yes, the people really do talk funny.  Having lived next door my whole life, the best thing I can say about it is that it makes you appreciate what you've got.

[LoyFang]

My 2 cents: I don't care about remembering or not, that is not really the relevant part to me. I do care about what little I can do about the ones suffering today. There is no point in seeing the past and mourning it endlessly: there is nothing we can do about the dead, we can only do (or at least try) something about the ones alive, or those who will come to this world.

If remembering makes you move, go ahead! If it just hurts you and nothing else, then you're the one needing help. If you just like to pretend you give a damn to get attention, get b*tch slapped.

But I have to assume that for me, it helps if I don't goo deep in past events, I know that will only makes me depressed and apathetic :'/.

Modifié par LoyFang, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:17 .

[KBomb]

KOM_95 wrote...

100% correct we should remember those days, just not here.

Well, you know, if you didn't open this thread, you could have went on about your day as normal without ever having to witness all this injustice.

[bmwcrazy]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I didn't do that.

I remember it too. I was watching TV that day at morning and saw the news. Of course I thought and still think it's sad.

But that doesn't mean it's anymore important than anything else. And we can't remember every gruesome tragedy every year, not even the most foul ones, because the year doesn't have enough days for it to begin with.


So the fact that some people think it's necessarily to come out every eleventh September and "remember" is loading a specific historical event with relevance ("it's special, it has to be remembered") and load this day with emotion ("omg I haz a big sad everytime this day") even though 99% of the world barely got anymore to do with it than having seen it on the news.

Remembering is good, remembering is important.
But remembering doesn't mean I should go out and tell everyone "xx years ago I was born" when it's my birthday. What do people care for it? And yes, for random people, my birthday is about as important as 9/11, because it's in the past, a footnote in history, because NOTHING changed that day for them.

9/11 is an important event in the American history, there's no arguement about that.

It's in the American history books and it will stay there forever. So what is wrong with Americans remembering the even in its 11th anniversary?

You certainly won't see me making smirk remarks when you visit mother's grave like "omg u haz a big sad, people die every day, get over it already. there are millions of people suffering all over the world and you're making a big deal out of this dead woman?"

I can't believe the things you're saying, Neofelis.

Bionuts gets a free pass because he's a known troll, but if you really believe in the things that you've typed in this thread, you're a very sad man.

[KOM_95]

KBomb wrote...

KOM_95 wrote...

100% correct we should remember those days, just not here.

Well, you know, if you didn't open this thread, you could have went on about your day as normal without ever having to witness all this injustice.

Yeah but I did open this thread and had something to say.  Threads like these shouldn't be allowed in the first place.

[bmwcrazy]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Have you read anything I wrote?
Or more accurately, have you UNDERSTOOD what I wrote?

Because you don't make the impression as if you did.

In any event, I have made my position perfectly clear. It's all there, explained in sufficient detail, if you don't understand it or mayhaps chose to not understand it in order to try to argue that I wouldn't give a crap and am accusing mourning people of being hypocrites or other things, then that's your fault, not mine.

I will not be going to try and break it down even more. If you didn't get what I was saying and likely more important, what I WASN'T saying, by now then you won't ever.

Peace, I'm out.

Because you failed at explaining yourself and your position in any of your posts. Frankly, you haven't been making any sense in this thread at all.

The amount of apathy and insensibleness in this thread is unbelievable.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:36 .

[KBomb]

KOM_95 wrote...

Yeah but I did open this thread and had something to say.  Threads like these shouldn't be allowed in the first place.

Why? Because other people showing empathy makes you uncomfortable? If you don't empathize, then there isn't a need to say anything, is there? Is it so offensive to you?

[Magdalena11]

Thank you for keeping the spirit alive.

My late father was a marine in his fist life who was a bit frustrated by having daughters. He didn't know what else to do so he raised us as he would have sons. I'd like to think that he saw how awesome we were and saw the potential but I do know better. Having a kid of each gender myself now, I know that he just did the best he did with what he had to work with. I was the empathic one, considering my early exposure to tragedy and all. My sister was the smart one, having climbed all over obstacles to achieve what she wanted. My brother, well my brother. He is some kind of big deal at the Mayo Corporation. I'll never forget the time he let it all hang out in front of my mom when we had to pick him up at the hospital on prom night.

My point (yes, there is one): we're all just people. When history is said and done we won't even be footnotes. We've all got stories though, and they shouldn't be cut short.

[KOM_95]

KBomb wrote...

KOM_95 wrote...

Yeah but I did open this thread and had something to say.  Threads like these shouldn't be allowed in the first place.

Why? Because other people showing empathy makes you uncomfortable? If you don't empathize, then there isn't a need to say anything, is there? Is it so offensive to you?

You know what? **** you. I flew from Dublin to New York and visited ground zero, donated to the 9/11 memorial fund for their families last June,I cried and read every single name on the two memorials So don't you dare try give me a lecture about empathy. These threads shouldn't be allowed because it's a gaming forum.  If you wanted to remember the dead go visit their graves.

Modifié par KOM_95, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:40 .

[kobayashi-maru]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I didn't do that.

I remember it too. I was watching TV that day at morning and saw the news. Of course I thought and still think it's sad.

But that doesn't mean it's anymore important than anything else. And we can't remember every gruesome tragedy every year, not even the most foul ones, because the year doesn't have enough days for it to begin with.


So the fact that some people think it's necessarily to come out every eleventh September and "remember" is loading a specific historical event with relevance ("it's special, it has to be remembered") and load this day with emotion ("omg I haz a big sad everytime this day") even though 99% of the world barely got anymore to do with it than having seen it on the news.

Remembering is good, remembering is important.
But remembering doesn't mean I should go out and tell everyone "xx years ago I was born" when it's my birthday. What do people care for it? And yes, for random people, my birthday is about as important as 9/11, because it's in the past, a footnote in history, because NOTHING changed that day for them.

9/11 is an important event in the American history, there's no arguement about that.

It's in the American history books and it will stay there forever. So what is wrong with Americans remembering the even in its 11th anniversary?

You certainly won't see me making smirk remarks when you visit mother's grave like "omg u haz a big sad, people die every day, get over it already. there are millions of people suffering all over the world and you're making a big deal out of this dead woman?"

I can't believe the things you're saying, Neofelis.

Bionuts gets a free pass because he's a known troll, but if you really believe in the things that you've typed in this thread, you're a very sad man.

This is why thread should close. You made the point American history, not world history and this forum is global not American. It leads to the circular arguments like why don't we all do similar thing around the 2004 Tsunami which killed 240,000+ people or the 7/7 attacks etc. It's an American tragedy for the most part and this is not an American forum.

As horrible as it was, and those it effected have my sympathy, for world history it will be a footnote reference as catylist to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm sorry that sounds harsh but it is the truth. To those directly effected it will always be much, much more, but for the rest of us it's just another horrific event. 

That doesn't mean we can't have sympathy for people but it's just not appropriate for this board. We all have different cultural reference points. I'm sitting in a flat in Scotland at the moment in a town which got destroyed during WW2. A group of people where in a shelter during it and the flames from the bomb went from one end to the other like smoke through a chimney. It was the worst attack on Scotland during the war and obliterated the town. Americans don't have similar type reference point but that's one of mine.

[KBomb]

KOM_95 wrote...

You know what? **** you. I flew from Dublin to New York and visited ground zero, donated to the 9/11 memorial fund for their families last June,I cried and read every single name on the two memorials So don't you dare try give me a lecture about empathy. These threads shouldn't be allowed because it's a gaming forum.  If you wanted to remember the dead go visit their graves.

And this gives you a right to come into a thread that you clearly have no interest in, just to tell people how wrong they are for having the tread open in the first place? Because you shed some tears, you can now explode and tell other people to go **** themselves? Yeah, because that belongs on a forum.

This is a sub-forum that allows Off-Topic threads. There are loads of threads in this sub-forum that has nothing to do with gaming. Your bias is showing. However, this thread has run it's course and it's a shame that insulting and name-calling has been the summary of it.

Modifié par KBomb, 11 septembre 2013 - 10:54 .

[OdanUrr]

KBomb wrote...

This is a sub-forum that allows Off-Topic threads. There are loads of threads in this sub-forum that has nothing to do with gaming. Your bias is showing. However, this thread has run it's course and it's a shame that insulting and name-calling has been the summary of it. 

I do believe this is a tad too off-topic and, as has been proven, likely to cause friction.

My respects.

[KOM_95]

KBomb wrote...

KOM_95 wrote...

You know what? **** you. I flew from Dublin to New York and visited ground zero, donated to the 9/11 memorial fund for their families last June,I cried and read every single name on the two memorials So don't you dare try give me a lecture about empathy. These threads shouldn't be allowed because it's a gaming forum.  If you wanted to remember the dead go visit their graves.

And this gives you a right to come into a thread that you clearly have no interest in, just to tell people how wrong they are for having the tread open in the first place? Because you shed some tears, you can now explode and tell other people to go **** themselves? Yeah, because that belongs on a forum.

This is a sub-forum that allows Off-Topic threads. There are loads of threads in this sub-forum that has nothing to do with gaming. Your bias is showing. However, this thread has run it's course and it's a shame that insulting and name-calling has been the summary of it.

Yeah I have no interest in the victims I just flew half way around the world to pay my respects to them, I don't just remember them once a year either. Bias? towards what? If you want to remember them go to the 9/11 memorial and don't just pretend you care behind the keyboard.

[bmwcrazy]

kobayashi-maru wrote...

This is why thread should close. You made the point American history, not world history and this forum is global not American. It leads to the circular arguments like why don't we all do similar thing around the 2004 Tsunami which killed 240,000+ people or the 7/7 attacks etc. It's an American tragedy for the most part and this is not an American forum.

As horrible as it was, and those it effected have my sympathy, for world history it will be a footnote reference as catylist to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm sorry that sounds harsh but it is the truth. To those directly effected it will always be much, much more, but for the rest of us it's just another horrific event. 

That doesn't mean we can't have sympathy for people but it's just not appropriate for this board. We all have different cultural reference points. I'm sitting in a flat in Scotland at the moment in a town which got destroyed during WW2. A group of people where in a shelter during it and the flames from the bomb went from one end to the other like smoke through a chimney. It was the worst attack on Scotland during the war and obliterated the town. Americans don't have similar type reference point but that's one of mine.

You should read my previous reply to Mad Hanar. I understand this even affects Americans more than the rest of the world, but my main gripe here is the lack of empathy and sensitivity in the posts made by a few individuals here. Mainly Lady Neofema and Neofelis Nebulosa.

If you don't want a 9/11 thread, fine. Don't participate in it or making it political. 

But don't ever accuse those who are remembering the event in its 11th anniverssary for being hypocritical and brining up emotions for their political agenda.