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[kobayashi-maru]

I agree with you accusing individuals of hypocrisy and using emotions for political agenda is wrong. I posted here only to add sympathies and suggest it may be not best topic for BSN as the events surrounding aftermath are so controversial. In fact my original post was actually about the truthers and how this thread could get way out of control primarily for political viewpoints.

[bmwcrazy]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

You should read my previous reply to Mad Hanar. I understand this even affects Americans more than the rest of the world, but my main gripe here is the lack of empathy and sensitivity in the posts made by a few individuals here. Mainly Lady Neofema and Neofelis Nebulosa.

If you don't want a 9/11 thread, fine. Don't participate in it or making it political. 

But don't ever accuse those who are remembering the event in its 11th anniverssary for being hypocritical and brining up emotions for their political agenda.

Well, since you're all eager to keep dragging my name(handle through the proverbial mud, then I'm not above taking some shots either:


Not only do you not understand what I wrote, you also have less clue what you're talking about than you think about yourself.

It's the 12th anniverssary, not the 11th!

Now get off your high horse of imposed emphatical superiourity and try to understand what I'm saying instead of judging me on baseless accusations if you're sensible enough to try and understand me.

If not, you have NO right to accuse me of being insensible.

I thought you were done with the thread. So I mistyped it and there is no need to get personal. 

I still don't understand who are you exactly accusing being hypocritical and "loading history with unnecessary emotion and relevance" in your posts?

If not those who are remembering 9/11 in its 12th anniversary, then who? Are you gonna explain yourself or are you just gonna stay angry for no reason?

[KBomb]

KOM_95 wrote...

Yeah I have no interest in the victims I just flew half way around the world to pay my respects to them, I don't just remember them once a year either. Bias? towards what? If you want to remember them go to the 9/11 memorial and don't just pretend you care behind the keyboard.

So, you keep stating. Trying to convince someone of something?



@OdanUrr You're right, I see what you mean. It is a shame it has to be that way, but you are right. This will be my last post. No need to keep it going.

Modifié par KBomb, 11 septembre 2013 - 11:15 .

[KOM_95]

KBomb wrote...

KOM_95 wrote...

Yeah I have no interest in the victims I just flew half way around the world to pay my respects to them, I don't just remember them once a year either. Bias? towards what? If you want to remember them go to the 9/11 memorial and don't just pretend you care behind the keyboard.

So, you keep stating. Trying to convince someone of something?



@OdanUrr You're right, I see what you mean. It is a shame it has to be that way, but you are right. This will be my last post. No need to keep it going.

I don't care, threads like this shouldn't be allowed if you want to know why read my first post. Don't ever accuse someone of having a lack of empathy again.  You don't come off too well and make the other person very angry.

[Magdalena11]

We want peace, folks. The whole reason I opened my big mouth in the first place is that I want to honor those who've fallen. Please, leave the negative stuff at the door. No one can say anything worse than what I've thought about myself already and I'm entirely certain I'm not alone. If you think this is just a nameless whiny thread or a plea for attention, go home.

[bmwcrazy]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Okay, on the benefit of doubt that you simply didn't understand my argumentation for some reason:

What I am judging as hypocritical is not the act of remembering or mourning. It's the act of blowing it out of proportion like people and the media do. Every year we get a massive media surge of articles about 9/11 as if it just happened again.

Not only is it inaccurate because for that it means, it's "old news", but it's also insensible to all those with genuine cause for emotional involvement to get bombed with memories about it as others had mentioned in this topic.

I can only imagine how it must feel for someone who lost beloveds that day when the media replays those planes crashing into the towers every year. I am certainly not wrong if I assume that more than a few people have, or have had emotional breakdowns because they are being forced to remember that pain in force through that annual coverage bombardment.

In short, remembering is important and is being done, but putting it on the newspapers, the TV screens and on every website on the web is wrong. THAT and only that is the crowd that I call hypocrites.

So your beef is with the news media having bad taste. Why didn't you just say so in your previous posts?

However, I've been watching the news all day as well since this morning, and I can say very comfortably that CNN, MSNBC, CNBC or Fox Business (the channels what we usually watch at the office) haven't been "blowing it out of porportion." We've been seeing more news about Syria than 9/11.

I don't think there's anything wrong with reporting people including the President remembering the 9/11.

In the future, please for the love of God, make your case clear before you go on a rant and keep beating around the bush.

[Isichar]

I am just here to pay my respects to anyone who may have lost someone they cared about in the attack.

[Magdalena11]

Oh, man am I an utter scumbag or not? Believe it or not, I don't want to stir up controversy. I don't think there's anything wrong with honoring the unwitting sacrifice of others. People have laid down their lives to let me be the layabout I am. All I ask is that for those who died, their names aren't forgotten. There's a plaque. Anyone can read it. Today was special and if you aren't on board it's your problem not mine.

[Isichar]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Oh, man am I an utter scumbag or not? Believe it or not, I don't want to stir up controversy. I don't think there's anything wrong with honoring the unwitting sacrifice of others. People have laid down their lives to let me be the layabout I am. All I ask is that for those who died, their names aren't forgotten. There's a plaque. Anyone can read it. Today was special and if you aren't on board it's your problem not mine.

Its really just the nature of the subject and the internet. This is why many religious and political threads get shut down, not because the subject is a bad one, but because people are not willing to discuss things maturely.

Theres quite a few people here I would love to go off on, tbh, but theres just no point, they would only keep arguing...

[Chromie]

Bionuts wrote...

I'm supposed to believe you care about the deaths of strangers?

Well I was in a child and saw the plane hits when I was in school. I did feel something then. As a NY'er I think we need to stfu though as some point it's time to move on.

Modifié par Skelter192, 12 septembre 2013 - 12:27 .

[bmwcrazy]

Skelter192 wrote...

Well I was in a child and saw the plane hits when I was in school. I did feel something then. As a NY'er I think we need to stfu though as some point it's time to move on.

Most people have moved on years ago. 

However, it will still be talked about for many years to come.

Your children and their children will learn it in their history classes and write reports about it. 

[Ninja Stan]

Spam removed. Bans handed out.

[Magdalena11]

Yes, moving on is where we need to go. Where shall that be?

[Magdalena11]

Thanks, Ninja Stan. I'm sorry you had to step in. It seems such an innocuous subject and people can be real idiots.

[Magdalena11]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

You should read my previous reply to Mad Hanar. I understand this even affects Americans more than the rest of the world, but my main gripe here is the lack of empathy and sensitivity in the posts made by a few individuals here. Mainly Lady Neofema and Neofelis Nebulosa.

If you don't want a 9/11 thread, fine. Don't participate in it or making it political. 

But don't ever accuse those who are remembering the event in its 11th anniverssary for being hypocritical and brining up emotions for their political agenda.

Well, since you're all eager to keep dragging my name(handle through the proverbial mud, then I'm not above taking some shots either:


Not only do you not understand what I wrote, you also have less clue what you're talking about than you think about yourself.

It's the 12th anniverssary, not the 11th!

Now get off your high horse of imposed emphatical superiourity and try to understand what I'm saying instead of judging me on baseless accusations if you're sensible enough to try and understand me.

If not, you have NO right to accuse me of being insensible.



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I'm sorry Madgalena, you already seem to understand I mean no disrespect, so for derailing the thread like it ended up being, my apologies. But I will not stand here and letting me insulted like this.

I totally get that you don't mean to be disrespectful.  Your opinion is important.  As is that ditzy chick with the curled eyelashes.  The whole point of a forum is to allow your colors to show.  If anyone wants to know me, I'd rather be sentimental than stoic.  It's a choice.  I respect yours.  Tomorrow I'll wake up and it will be a brand new day with something new to gripe about.  For all our tomorrows I respect the options that have been given to us.

[addiction21]

The whole "stop talking about it because others are suffering" is a pathetic defense. You not only only dishonor those innocents lost and made to suffer but all those suffering people. Using the suffering of others to make yourself out to be enlightened while looking down your nose like those that suffered because of these attacks can only think about that ONE thing.

Just because you are a New Yorker or traveld to the sight does not make your opinions more valid. It does not give you a right to mock or look down on those that choose to remember and talk about it. How about you all be the big cool people you try so hard to portray yourselves as and let them do it. It doesnt harm you. This is the off-topic section of a video game developers forum it gets its space as much as anything else.

Kobayshi.

ANd if you so decided to post about those lives lost I would not trivilize them, Most likely I would either ignore it or read and not post. Not because I am cold but because I dont know you, you dont know me, I wasnt there and I know no one that was their. I have no connection to it and my words imho would be a trivial thing.
I would tell these same people to stfu because they have no right no matter how self-righteous they believe themselves to be to tell others to move on.

[Magdalena11]

Quick reminder. We're only human. Not everyone is going to get it. If they don't, it's OK, they might sometime. I don't want to see the community I speak in getting smaller because someone hasn't got it yet. Be kind to each other and yourselves.

[LPPrince]

On 9/11/01 I was a 9 year old kid in 5th grade. Public School 173. Manhattan, NYC, NY. Room/Class 501.

My teacher was Mr. Young(I know his first name but of course I wouldn't share that here). He used to be in the military before teaching, though he looked like a young guy, no pun intended. School started not too many days prior so I didn't spend too much time with him but he always had a smile on his face.

We got a phone call and his face told the whole story. Went from, "Good morning" to "this is what my military training prepared me for".

We got escorted to the gymnasium. Everyone was in there. No one told us what was going on, so me and my friends assumed there was some crazy guy outside the school with a gun or something.

Parents started rolling in, getting their kids and running. Straight up taking off. Sprinting.

P.S. 173 is on, surprise surprise, 173rd St. in Washington Heights. Bit far from the towers. And still, there was running.

Kids continue to get picked up. Eventually my dad comes round, gets me.

We haul ass.

We're outside, and EVERYONE is running. Think of the zombie outbreaks you see in your video games where people are running all over the place.

That, but in real life, and no zombies.

Just people. Lots and lots of people.

My dad tells me the twin towers were being "leveled". At the time, I didn't know what that meant.

By the time we got to the apartment(really just two or so blocks away), I figured out what was happening.

TV turns on, and me, him, my maternal grandmother, we're watching the chaos on screen.

Days later, we couldn't go outside because there was potential bad stuff in the air(which is nuts given Manhattan Island's size).

So the WTC Fund was a thing. They'd ask kids for quarters and dimes. Nickels and pennies. I asked my dad if I could have $500 out of my savings to donate instead. He obliged, money went out in my name, and I got three letters from the governor of NY thanking me.

Then time passed. Fear and hate grew in the thoughts of the closed-minded. They needed a villain. A scapegoat.

I became the scapegoat. Dad too. Dad's Indian, and most of my appearance comes from his side even though I'm ridiculously multicultural with ancestry from everywhere.

He got hit by a car once. Not like "run over" getting hit, more like getting slightly tagged/bumped. Like if someone tapped you in the shoulder, except with a car. Afterward, someone who knew what my father was told the guy behind the wheel and he apologized. As if that mattered.

As for me, being a kid, I got the usual bullies trying to bully. The weak taking advantage of a situation trying to look strong. Usually the insults were related to making bombs, living in caves, believing I was related to the big names in the news that were supposedly responsible.

I can't remember how I reacted to all that stuff. I think I shrugged it off, though I'm sure at the time it hurt a little bit. I guess I tried to forget that stuff so much that its all a blur. I've got great episodic memory though so that would be a bit tough.

Anyway, the insults, all that stuff, it ended a long time ago. I think some people(at least) finally came around to the fact that the people responsible are not your neighbors or people you happen to run into.

So when people bring up 9/11 and talk about how horrible it was, how bad they feel about what happened, I wonder if they give a single fornication about all the innocent people affected by the event afterward. Not just those that lost friends and family, homes and vehicles, etc etc.

I wonder how people feel about the very people that sometimes still get persecuted against today.

Its not to me anymore, but there's a lot of bigotry still floating around.

Personally? I think the best course of action is to instead of talking about how horrible that day was and how bad we feel about it, why don't we just try to be better people to those around us?

We're all humans anyway, regardless of what we look like or where we come from, what our blood makes us or what position in society we hold.

Just sayin. If we were more accepting and tried to be more positive people, the world wouldn't be as depressing as it can be at times.

This forum, too. Hah.

So I'm not gonna go on some long, "My condolences" speech. Thats been heard before.

I'm just gonna be the best me that I can be for the sake of myself and the World I live in.

Hopefully more people follow that train of thought.

[Lenimph]

Holy crap I didn't even realize it was 9/11 until I saw this thread.

We didn't talk about it at work at all and I work a federal funded job...

Heh Everyone talks about how the USA doesn't let it go but I think that proves country has come a long way from then...

Anyway I was 10 when it happened and It was a horrible experience I will never forget seeing on TV. Last summer I went to New York and we visited the new ground zero memorial and it was really heartbreaking. I don't think you really realize how many people died on that day until you see the names spread out like that.

But still it's time to move on.

[LPPrince]

Lenimph wrote...

But still it's time to move on.

^Thats where I'm at with it.

[Magdalena11]

OMG, Prince. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the loss of a piece of your childhood. I'm sorry you had to see that side of humanity. I'm an old lady, kinda, so it doesn't matter anymore for me, but it does for you and everyone else who lost a piece of themselves that day. I logged on intending to put the thread to bed since the day is over and everything has to end one way or another. For you, it was the beginning, wasn't it? My hopes are a mother's hope for a better world for her children.

[LPPrince]

My day is ending too. Almost midnight here in South Jersey.

Saw the thread, realized it was kinda political, figured it might get closed, saw Allan posted in it, thread wasn't closed, figured if it was okay I'd post my piece.

I didn't even realize it was 9/11 until I was in the kitchen this morning with my mom. Had a Pumpkin Spice Latte while mom was watchin Good Morning America.

Oh, the irony.

[Elhanan]

Hatred and prejudice led to 9/11, and sadly, some chose to reflect that same kind of vitriol afterwards instead of honoring those lost with something better. With hope, the future can change, but it cannot happen if people choose to forget and try and bury the past along with the dead.