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[Sebastianthorson]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

For Novaguards, the only time they're particularly troublesome is when you get hit by a Seeker Swarm with your barrier down. In that situation, death is imminent.

If they hit you while your barriers come up - you "just" become next to useless.

[valium]

brutes and banshees close the distance so quickly and hone in on you which ends your hack, I prefer facing collectors in this situation. collectors rarely troll me on hack objectives

[DHKany]

carrying pugs against collectors is a living nightmare.

[Sebastianthorson]

Project_Lazarus wrote...

The Slayer is also really good against Collectors, as is the Assguard

Slayer is special case, and asari... You`re not going to charge that much against collectors, so why not take any other grenade class?

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Sebastianthorson wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

For Novaguards, the only time they're particularly troublesome is when you get hit by a Seeker Swarm with your barrier down. In that situation, death is imminent.

If they hit you while your barriers come up - you "just" become next to useless.

At least you will have the chance to get yourself to safety before you get splattered.

[Stanry Roo]

Sebastianthorson wrote...

Project_Lazarus wrote...

The Slayer is also really good against Collectors, as is the Assguard

Slayer is special case, and asari... You`re not going to charge that much against collectors, so why not take any other grenade class?

3 points in Stasis can go a long way. 

[Sebastianthorson]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

At least you will have the chance to get yourself to safety before you get splattered.

Yes. But it`s still cheap and irritating.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

I actually dread pugging against collectors cause that usually means I'm gonna revive a ton and have a revive train. Ugh. As much as I like to face them normally, I just don't like to face them with pugs. Tbh, I prefer them and reapers on plat more than any other faction. Manly cause less phantoms (for both) and less Banshees when facing Collectors plat.

[LoyFang]

Praetorians loves everybody! It's just... rough love.

[iOnlySignIn]

UltimateSpinDash wrote...

I looked at the stats, praetorians have twice the armor and barrier of a banshee on the same difficulty. As much as I like having the collectors back, I don't understand why BW made them so powerful.

Praetorians are a lot easier to kill than Banshees because:

(1) They don't teleport to dodge your shots and instead drift very slowly like an idiot.

(2) They can easily be manipulated into standing still and firing their lasers, making them sitting ducks.

(3) Their headshot box is a loooot larger. So much so that it's hard to not score headshots against them.

(4) They suffer from double/tripple hits when you're using penetrating weapons.

(5) They don't have a move that regens barriers again and again regardless of timer. Instead they have possession which is a one time deal only.

(6) They are not deranged Asari b!tches who scream like bad porno actresses.

Seriously, Praetorians are big wussies. It's the Captains that are the real threat.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 11 septembre 2013 - 06:14 .

[jamdjedi]

I'd rather collectors simply because to get sync-killed vs Collectors you have to be sleeping.. sure the giant tick can eat your head but that happens rarely for me.. shoot I've YET to be Brute sync killed... granted the swarms are straight CESO because of their health/armor and what they can do to a power heavy class....now Banshees seem to have it out for me like emotionally distraught ex-wives! I was just playing early today on a gold pug PS3 and it seems like a Banshee hugged me on 3 or 4 of the waves it was MADDENING! I'd personally like to do away with Sync kills UNLESS its a 'boss' Ticks. BRutes. Banshees... Phantom ninja sync kills are coooorrny!

[Gr1ng0]

Reasons collectors are ok in my experience.

- Big heads mean easier headshots for not-so-sharp shooters such as myself. I also have a big head so big heads are ok.

- Keep moving around as a team and they get a lot more spread out;

- Not as noisy as reepahs

Reasons they're not ok:

- Off host cheats (butt lazers, scion time warp sniping, downed by invisible collector captain shots

- Casters getting power cancelled

- Too much AoE (clustergrenades / abnominations / swarms etc)

[MGW7]

Collectors are hard, hit hard, bet are so easy to manipulate,

Troopers and captains are like any other mook unit, only really bad at melee, compared to marauders at least, get close and they will chase you a bit, not shooting, they take time to prepare for melee, the melee takes forever, doesn't stagger as much, and when it's over even possessed captains are as easy to stagger as assault troopers, and then they will try it again, sure they are tough and have good guns, but they also have big heads,

Abombs are still just husks+, punch them lightly and back up shooting

Scions suffer the same melee weakness as the troopers, only they deal more damage, take even longer, and have a sync kill at the end if you don't move out of range in the hour or so it takes them to actually preform the attack, also simply walking around them causes them to miss by miles, and they cannot shoot you while flailing like retards, and they turn slowly, and have to set up to fire after turning, making them laughable to melee builds,

Praetorians are vulnerable to walking backwards slowly, if you do it right they will take two steps try to claw you, miss, and try again, and they cannot block powers while doing this, if they do go laser mode simply walking sideways will usually make you effectively immune to them, because they take time to move the laser, and cannot adjust it, or you could just walk up to them and back off before they fire, to get them walking again

Obviously if you are limited by terrain or get ambushed you will likely die, because that is what they are good at

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Veteran players who know the timings can make collectors a cake walk, but obviously if you try to stay as far from them as possible, like any new player, you end up competing against their ranged attacks, Which are far more deadly than their melee, except praetorians I guess, but especially so for scions

Modifié par MGW7, 11 septembre 2013 - 06:43 .

[Andr0idOS]

Instead of repeating my tired old line about how much I hate the Collectors, I'll simply say this.



Collectors always insta-stomp me, significantly more than any other faction. They even surpass Dragoons for their insta-stomping.

[Stanry Roo]

Andr0idOS wrote...

Instead of repeating my tired old line about how much I hate the Collectors, I'll simply say this.



Collectors always insta-stomp me, significantly more than any other faction. They even surpass Dragoons for their insta-stomping.

Don't go down. 

[Andr0idOS]

Project_Lazarus wrote...

Andr0idOS wrote...

Instead of repeating my tired old line about how much I hate the Collectors, I'll simply say this.



Collectors always insta-stomp me, significantly more than any other faction. They even surpass Dragoons for their insta-stomping.

Don't go down. 

[Sailears]

Only thing I hate about them is the "anti-power" stuff they've got going on.

Give us a faction that has tricks for blocking/reducing weapon damage, sabotages our weapons to overheat all the thermal clips or something (like ME1) and so on, but not power damage, then we'll have some fun.

I'm a bit sick of this game boiling down to pure weapon dps because of this nonsense.

[lightswitch]

I don't get what you're all talking about.

They don't have a single unit that's difficult to kill. Phantoms can be a pain, Primes suck, and even today if I'm clutching a wave with double Banshees I'll missile them because fighting two banshees is irritating. But Collectors? they got nothing. I'm convinced the reason Bioware made their troopers so tanky was just to offset their ridiculously large heads.

[GordianKnot42]

I loved them when they first came out. But after scores of hacking objectives made ridiculous by bum-rushing Collector troops and copious amounts of Cluster*** Grenades, I hate them almost as much as the Cheating Geth.

[Fortack]

I enjoy toying with Collectors. If those Scions somehow need to cheat give them buttlasers instead of improved stagger-lock Prime canons - they suck. Swarms are broken too, way too many HP (you can kill Scion faster with Claymore than those bugs).

[Sailears]

I hate praetorians, I hate their bubble, I hate their melee, their laser beams, their armour, their speed, their silence.

So you're left with the most boring way of removing them - pure weapon dps... <_<

[me0120]

Element 0 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

I don't get what you're all talking about.

They don't have a single unit that's difficult to kill. Phantoms can be a pain, Primes suck, and even today if I'm clutching a wave with double Banshees I'll missile them because fighting two banshees is irritating. But Collectors? they got nothing. I'm convinced the reason Bioware made their troopers so tanky was just to offset their ridiculously large heads.

 

I don't get this argument about heads. Their heads are not that much easier to hit than Cerberus or Geth or Reapers. Reaper Cannibals are basically a 1 big head. And Collectors only have 2 units with such heads while Cerberus have at least 4-5. 

If you're always getting headshots it's no difference. The heads have at least twice the profile as any other enemy and both Praetorians and Scions can take multiple hits when you headshot.

[DesioPL]

I love possesed abonimations and scions! They are so cool if they make... BIG BOOM BOOM!