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[In Exile]

Herr Uhl wrote...
That doesn't cut it. I've brought up this post before, and people have said that "aware" was too vague to definitely say it was golden. Then we had the WoT thing where they put in black city instead of golden city as a typo which fueled the theories even further. They are built on that it wasn't a typo, but them mistakenly putting in a spoiler.

I wouldn't put much stock in fan conspiracy theories. There were a bazzilion threads about IT in the ME3 forums about how the pillars in the ending where too perfect for it not to be IT! Fan theories are whack. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

World of Thedas also says that when she was young, Andraste had "dreams of a then obscure god called the Maker."

[snackrat]

The line "never to rule over [man]" was supposed to refer to mind control and using their magic to subjugate. It is the Chantry that decided to say that meant they had to always be lower class and could not obtain leadership authority over anyone else (except other mages, in the case of First Enchanter, which has Templar accountability anyway).

The Tevinter Imperiem saw it the first way - they couldn't mind-control or dominate. However because mages with enough ambition were still allowed to get power, eventually blood magic was allowed back into society again (though I imagine mind-control is still a no-no, at least officially).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think the line is simply a condemnation of the magocrentric culture of Tevinter, I'm not sure there was a specific prohibition written into the initial line of the Chant.

[snackrat]

Andraste was the one to say "Magic is made to serve man, never to rule over him". Though the Chantry adopted the saying (and interpreted as no authority allowed, accidentally or otherwise) they did not originate it.
But yes, Andraste uttered it because she was disgusted by the manipulation over mankind that was being exhibited by magic users. It's just that she never specified if she meant "srsly guys no mind ctrl pls" or if she was designating mages to always hold positions little better than prisoners or second-class prisoners.

The reason we have the male and female Divines (Tevinter's Black Divine and Orlais's White Divine respectively) is because the disagreed on how the chantry should be run. Both in priest gender (as noted by the Black Divine being male) and the role mages can play in society.

Now that the Chantry and its Templars are in disarry, maybe the Inquisitor support's the Black Divine's interpretation, and thus can be a mage yet following Andraste's comment.

[azarhal]

Karsciyin wrote...

Andraste was the one to say "Magic is
made to serve man, never to rule over him". Though the Chantry adopted
the saying (and interpreted as no authority allowed, accidentally or
otherwise) they did not originate it.
But yes, Andraste uttered it
because she was disgusted by the manipulation over mankind that was
being exhibited by magic users. It's just that she never specified if
she meant "srsly guys no mind ctrl pls" or if she was designating mages
to always hold positions little better than prisoners or second-class
prisoners.

The reason we have the male and female Divines
(Tevinter's Black Divine and Orlais's White Divine respectively) is
because the disagreed on how the chantry should be run. Both in priest
gender (as noted by the Black Divine being male) and the role mages can
play in society.

Now that the Chantry and its Templars are in
disarry, maybe the Inquisitor support's the Black Divine's
interpretation, and thus can be a mage yet following Andraste's
comment.

Andraste was disgusted by Tevinter, not just blood magic. She caused the nations of Thedas oppressed by Tevinter to raise up and bring them to their knees, not just spank them for being bad magic users. She wanted to destroy the Imperium and all the magisters, only her husband jealousy and greed stopped that from happening.

And nobody will follow a Inquisitor that support the Tevinter Chantry dogma. They are preaching that "magic must rule over men" there (from World of Thedas), only Tevinter would accept that, no other nations will. This is also what caused the schism to happen in the first place too.

[Eveangaline]

azarhal wrote...

Karsciyin wrote...

Andraste was the one to say "Magic is
made to serve man, never to rule over him". Though the Chantry adopted
the saying (and interpreted as no authority allowed, accidentally or
otherwise) they did not originate it.
But yes, Andraste uttered it
because she was disgusted by the manipulation over mankind that was
being exhibited by magic users. It's just that she never specified if
she meant "srsly guys no mind ctrl pls" or if she was designating mages
to always hold positions little better than prisoners or second-class
prisoners.

The reason we have the male and female Divines
(Tevinter's Black Divine and Orlais's White Divine respectively) is
because the disagreed on how the chantry should be run. Both in priest
gender (as noted by the Black Divine being male) and the role mages can
play in society.

Now that the Chantry and its Templars are in
disarry, maybe the Inquisitor support's the Black Divine's
interpretation, and thus can be a mage yet following Andraste's
comment.

Andraste was disgusted by Tevinter, not just blood magic. She caused the nations of Thedas oppressed by Tevinter to raise up and bring them to their knees, not just spank them for being bad magic users. She wanted to destroy the Imperium and all the magisters, only her husband jealousy and greed stopped that from happening.

And nobody will follow a Inquisitor that support the Tevinter Chantry dogma. They are preaching that "magic must rule over men" there (from World of Thedas), only Tevinter would accept that, no other nations will. This is also what caused the schism to happen in the first place too.

Unless they're afraid of the inquisitor, then they'll follow them.

[Alpha452]

In my humble opinion the Chantry has misunderstood and therefore misused that line of "Magic exists to serve man and never rule over him". It is clear to me what that means is that magic is meant to be a tool and nothing more. Cassandra even makes a comment later at Skyhold something along the lines of how power can become its own master. That's what Andraste meant when she said magic exists to serve man. The magisters of the Tevinter Imperium served their magic rather than the magic serving them and their power essentially became their master rather than it serving them.

 

So for a thousand years of Thedas history the Chantry has been acting on a flawed view of that Andrastian teaching of magic to put mages under lock and key like criminals. This is why almost every play through where I was a mage I took every opportunity to thumb my nose at the chantry and the circle system. The Chantry has this nasty habit of twisting things to suit them..largely by imprisoning mages (well minus Vivienne..which is why she likes the Circle so much) and if they maker forbid have a child..they take the child away from them. So in short the most misunderstood, used and abused teaching of Andraste is the one who has done countless harm to mages and their families for a thousand years..all because people fear what they don't understand.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Holy necro batman

[robertthebard]

Sorry if this came up already, but I didn't read the entire thread:

I'm sure the populace, religious leaders et al can oust my mage Inquisitor, just as soon as they figure out how to close the Breach/Fade Rifts on their own. Until then, I guess they're going to have to grin and bear it, eh?

[The Oracle]

You know what I don't get? When did the whole, "magic exists to serve man" turned into "No marriage, not allowed to raise your kids, must live in a tower under guard" etc.

[Aren]

You know what I don't get? When did the whole, "magic exists to serve man" turned into "No marriage, not allowed to raise your kids, must live in a tower under guard" etc.

"magic exists to serve man"

"Enter the gates,the tower awaits"

[Nefla]

Someone call a Witcher, the necrophages are on the loose!