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[JonathonPR]

The nanites allow constant indoctrination signals to course through everyone constantly and alert the Reapers to disruptions in the system. I would not be surprised if after achieving its goal starboy handed control of the system over to the Leviathans. Ideas and cognitive processes are mapped so the brain can be rewired to prevent types of thought.

[Sir DeLoria]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I'd like to know how many geth were killed during the Morning War. I think the chances of it being an entirely one sided conflict is low. Also, I'd like to know how many quarians were killed by other quarians.

Who knows? We don't even know how many Quarians lived on Rannoch before the Morning War. All we know, is that the number was presumably smaller than say Earth or Thessia, since only very few areas of Rannoch are hospitable. If you go by Tali's statement in ME1, the number should've been just below 2 billion.

The question how many Geth were destroyed is more or less pointless, as they can create new Geth very quickly.

Modifié par Necanor, 12 septembre 2013 - 12:57 .

[Yestare7]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

For the same reason the quarians forgive the geth for years of slaughter (after you broker peace on Rannoch).


Games move time forward unrealistically fast and idealize certain things. Still, the precedent was set.

Oh smart!!  Quickly focus on another issue...
Distract and evade.

Must be Synthesis supporter  Bwahahaha!!

[The Night Mammoth]

Necanor wrote...

The question how many Geth were destroyed is more or less pointless, as they can create new Geth very quickly.

That depends entirely on the point of asking the question.

[Sir DeLoria]

YourFleshIsMine wrote...
If you believe the records inside the geth server, the Quarians are at fault for the war. They feared the geth the moment they started showing signs of self-awareness and started questioning commands that didn't make sense to them. It's the Quarians' fear that caused them to want to shut down the geth and they resisted. And as such a war was born. When the Quarians ran away as they were losing, the geth let them go as they were unsure of their network's reach and consolidated instead. In essence the geth only fought against their creators, because their creators wanted to exterminate them, the minute the geth became sentient.

What would you do if you became self-aware and your creator feared you so much, that he wanted to shut you down? Would you take it lying down?

I still destroyed the geth in the end because they would wipe out the Quarians by choice, proving they were no better than anyone else. Why choose Quarians over Geth? Well, the Geth did more than attack Quarians and Tali is part of my crew. So what gives me the right? Nothing, but I had the choice and a choice had to be made. So I did.

Any actions against the Quarian military and government can be justified. Both of them endangered and actively harmed the Geth. There is no justification for killing civilians however, especially not in such a huge quantity. ME2 shows, that the Geth also killed non-Quarian civilians on Rannoch. I agree on the last part.

Modifié par Necanor, 12 septembre 2013 - 01:02 .

[Yestare7]

 
amazing that after all this time people STILL try to defend that crap.

Focus people!  This thread is about how stupid Synthesis is.

Modifié par Yestare7, 12 septembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[Mathias]

Necanor wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Even when the Geth took over Rannoch, they didn't go hunting down the remaining Quarians.

That's probably exactly what they did. They let a small group flee and we never found out what happened to the other hundreds of millions of Quarians on Rannoch...

Probably =/= Fact. If the Geth had a few hundred year gap to amass a huge fleet and hunt down the Migrant Fleet they would've done it. Unlike the Reapers that spend every waking minute checking every nook and cranny in the galaxy trying to find all survivors of advanced galactic civilization and exterminate them. 

I'm not painting the Geth as good guys. The Morning War was terrible, but you had a large group of machines that were becoming self aware, and when they were being oppressed and destroyed by their creators, their reaction was natural. They rebelled. Their reason for fighting the Quarians was human in nature, unlike the Reapers.

[Sir DeLoria]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Probably =/= Fact. If the Geth had a few hundred year gap to amass a huge fleet and hunt down the Migrant Fleet they would've done it. Unlike the Reapers that spend every waking minute checking every nook and cranny in the galaxy trying to find all survivors of advanced galactic civilization and exterminate them. 

I'm not painting the Geth as good guys. The Morning War was terrible, but you had a large group of machines that were becoming self aware, and when they were being oppressed and destroyed by their creators, their reaction was natural. They rebelled. Their reason for fighting the Quarians was human in nature, unlike the Reapers.

I'm not talking about the Migrant Fleet, I'm talking about what they did to the remaining Quarians on Rannoch.

[Propelled Rage]

I think this question pertains more to the control ending. Atleast in that one we can say for sure where things stand.

In Synthesis, the organic and dna is modified along with whatever in synthetics to help them gain the understanding of an organic. One thing that is still stuck in my head is when the starchild says "You will be connected to us" It only hit me once the epilogue cutscenes started rolling. Somehow I for the life of me just cannot derive any positive angle from that statement.

The EC epilogue (and the ending in its original form ofc) never really explain the scientific phenomenon behind this change. What exactly happened that will evolve us to our pinnacle? Nothing is clear as to how people are perceiving it. The EC just forces a sunshine explanation of everyone being just fine with it.

For all we know the change is a new form of subjugation in which the organics do not even know what's happening to them. I mean who knows what mumbo jumbo that starchild did? Why would Shepard trust him to take a decision of such gigantic scale based on 10 minutes of dialogue? That's when he has stood for the exact opposite throughout the 3 games?

I believe things are too murky and speculative at the end of synthesis. Surely we can come to any conclusion in fanfics or headcannon, but story does little to explain the long terms effects and those are needed for this decision.

[His Name was HYR!!]

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... take a looksie at my latest thread; I was thinking of you as I posted it . I think you'll like what I have to say. 

Yestare7 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

For the same reason the quarians forgive the geth for years of slaughter (after you broker peace on Rannoch).


Games move time forward unrealistically fast and idealize certain things. Still, the precedent was set.

Oh smart!!  Quickly focus on another issue...
Distract and evade.

Must be Synthesis supporter  Bwahahaha!!

Actually, that was a straight-up answer to the OP's quetion.  Bwahahahaha!!

[shodiswe]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Necanor wrote...

The question how many Geth were destroyed is more or less pointless, as they can create new Geth very quickly.

That depends entirely on the point of asking the question.

Yeah, the Geth can live for a million years the Quarians can give birth to a hundred thousand generations in that time and about as many will pass away in that time. The Quarians can easily reproduce as long as there are enough of them.

You can even put them in a zoo like the Pandas and keep them going as a species, if you're really concerned about their continued existance and they arn't. Salarian experiments with the Yagh commes to mind and the fact that Javik said they were now triple the size compared to his cycle.

Modifié par shodiswe, 12 septembre 2013 - 04:11 .

[Br3admax]

If you choose Synthesis, it's likely that whatever stupidity possessed Shepard enough to choose it has spread to the rest of the galaxy.

[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...

Yeah, the Geth can live for a million years the Quarians can give birth to a hundred thousand generations in that time and about as many will pass away in that time. The Quarians can easily reproduce as long as there are enough of them.

You can even put them in a zoo like the Pandas and keep them going as a species, if you're really concerned about their continued existance and they arn't. Salarian experiments with the Yagh commes to mind and the fact that Javik said they were now triple the size compared to his cycle.

Your analogy makes no sense and I don't get the point of it either. That's wrong btw, you couldn't put a small amount of humans, turians or quarians in a zoo and let them reproduce for all eternity. They'd eventually run out of genetic material.

[shodiswe]

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Yeah, the Geth can live for a million years the Quarians can give birth to a hundred thousand generations in that time and about as many will pass away in that time. The Quarians can easily reproduce as long as there are enough of them.

You can even put them in a zoo like the Pandas and keep them going as a species, if you're really concerned about their continued existance and they arn't. Salarian experiments with the Yagh commes to mind and the fact that Javik said they were now triple the size compared to his cycle.

Your analogy makes no sense and I don't get the point of it either. That's wrong btw, you couldn't put a small amount of humans, turians or quarians in a zoo and let them reproduce for all eternity. They'd eventually run out of genetic material.

It depends on the initial population. 300 people would be more than enough tbh assuming they arn't all very closely related.

Modifié par shodiswe, 12 septembre 2013 - 05:03 .

[Fixers0]

Because space magic.

[Br3admax]

shodiswe wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Yeah, the Geth can live for a million years the Quarians can give birth to a hundred thousand generations in that time and about as many will pass away in that time. The Quarians can easily reproduce as long as there are enough of them.

You can even put them in a zoo like the Pandas and keep them going as a species, if you're really concerned about their continued existance and they arn't. Salarian experiments with the Yagh commes to mind and the fact that Javik said they were now triple the size compared to his cycle.

Your analogy makes no sense and I don't get the point of it either. That's wrong btw, you couldn't put a small amount of humans, turians or quarians in a zoo and let them reproduce for all eternity. They'd eventually run out of genetic material.

It depends on the initial population. 300 people would be more than enough tbh assuming they arn't all very closely related.

Did you really just compare people to animals in a stupid zoo scenario? 

[Mysten]

Nothing would be instantaneous. There would be days, weeks and months of instability - maybe even years. In time, people would come to accept the new perspectives that life as a synthesized galaxy offered - the perspective of the machine races organics once sought to subjugate, the perspective of their fellow organics with whom they once fought petty wars, the perspective of the long-dead races who came before them and the reaper intelligence that replaced them.

They would view the galaxy through the eyes of a billion individuals and know the futility of war.

To embrace a former enemy as a friend and do so sincerely is difficult but not unheard of. More so, perhaps, when you could not comprehend the enemy to begin with - their actions, their motivations - but nothing is impossible.

We once stood as a united galaxy and believed in our hearts that victory was not impossible. Now we stand as a united galaxy once more and know that peace is also not impossible.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Mysten wrote...

Nothing would be instantaneous. There would be days, weeks and months of instability - maybe even years. In time, people would come to accept the new perspectives that life as a synthesized galaxy offered - the perspective of the machine races organics once sought to subjugate, the perspective of their fellow organics with whom they once fought petty wars, the perspective of the long-dead races who came before them and the reaper intelligence that replaced them.

They would view the galaxy through the eyes of a billion individuals and know the futility of war.

To embrace a former enemy as a friend and do so sincerely is difficult but not unheard of. More so, perhaps, when you could not comprehend the enemy to begin with - their actions, their motivations - but nothing is impossible.

We once stood as a united galaxy and believed in our hearts that victory was not impossible. Now we stand as a united galaxy once more and know that peace is also not impossible.

Son...


... I am impress!

[thehomeworld]

Because some people have such a child sized brain that they think the victims would forgive the reapers for eating all their friends and family and decimating their cities without them having to be brainwashed into it. Which BW devs who made this ending and approved it seem to have.

There is such a thing as natural forgiveness but that takes a long time and not many people would even be capable of doing so. Have we forgiven Hitler and the N.a.z.i.s yet world wide? What about Col Pot for the killing fields? So why would anyone expect the whole or even half the galaxy to forgive the reapers of their own accord without any tampering?

Personally I think they all have their minds erased from what the reapers did to them then later they all get hacked and used by the reapers to destroy the next galaxy.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 12 septembre 2013 - 05:38 .

[RiouHotaru]

Because perspective. It's easy for us, as people not in that situation, to say "Well we would've NEVER forgiven them and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot!" But we're not in a society like the one in Synthesis. We're not in a reality where such a thing is even possible, so it's impossible to say with certainty.

If you ask me "forgiveness" didn't come easy. But it's a little difficult, IMO, to not feel a little sorry for them if you've played Leviathan. Hell, I even feel sympathy for the Catalyst of all things. His only crime was obeying his creators and doing exactly what they wanted him to do. The Reaper's only crime is being the product of the Catalyst obeying the Leviathans.

If there is anyone to blame, it's the Leviathans. All your anger over the cycles should be directed at them. They're the reason the cycle existed, they're the reason so many people died.

[Killdren88]

Ravensword wrote...

This thread needs Seival's expertise.

To Quote Alistair "More crazy? I thought we were all full up"

[Zaalbar]

The galaxy is turned into the BORG Collective... Forgiveness is Irrelevant!

[elrofrost]

And that's why i usually choose Control. Unless I kill off the Geth, then it's Destroy (screw EDI).

[Iakus]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Because perspective. It's easy for us, as people not in that situation, to say "Well we would've NEVER forgiven them and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot!" But we're not in a society like the one in Synthesis. We're not in a reality where such a thing is even possible, so it's impossible to say with certainty.

If you ask me "forgiveness" didn't come easy. But it's a little difficult, IMO, to not feel a little sorry for them if you've played Leviathan. Hell, I even feel sympathy for the Catalyst of all things. His only crime was obeying his creators and doing exactly what they wanted him to do. The Reaper's only crime is being the product of the Catalyst obeying the Leviathans.

If there is anyone to blame, it's the Leviathans. All your anger over the cycles should be directed at them. They're the reason the cycle existed, they're the reason so many people died.

"I control the Reapers.  They are my solution"

Not the Leviathan's solution.  The Catalyst's

And apparantly this little darling, so so advanced that it is an AI "as much as you are just an animal" isn't even as sophisticated an AI as EDI, who can alter her programming in the face of new information and perspective.

The only people I feel sorry for are the players who were subjectied to these endings.

[AlanC9]

Maybe they wouldn't. It's quite possible that most people would never see that Reapers weren't actually ever responsible for anything, any more than indoctrinated people could be held responsible for their actions.