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[Br3admax]

Steelcan wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

What's the actual case for organic consciousness being altered in Synthesis? What do we see?

We don't see cheering soldiers on Earth

We see organics not holding a grudge against Reapers, despite the deaths of billions at their hands.  In fact, I see no objection at all to coexistence with the very creatures that did their utmost to exterminate them.

We see Wreav NOT starting a war

Of course in Destroy, they try to distract you with Bakara holding ONE baby. And in the other endings we see krogan with ONE child. The slides are lies. 

[Yestare7]

Br3ad wrote...

If you choose Synthesis, it's likely that whatever stupidity possessed Shepard enough to choose it has spread to the rest of the galaxy.

Good, good, I agree.

[Yestare7]

RZIBARA wrote...

Synthesis is bad, and anyone who chooses it is bad and should feel bad

I like this person.  Clear thoughts, and nice Avatar as well.

[Seival]

Br3ad wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

For some reason I didn't think about this until now. I was always too busy concentrating on why Synthesis is wrong for other reasons, I didn't look at it from the most basic point of view. This to me just reinforces how incredible stupid and unbelievable the Synthesis ending is. There's is no way people would just automatically forgive and get along with beings who had just recently destroyed their homes and killed their families. I don't care if the effects of Synthesis is suppose to make them understand each other. I understand why Muslim Extremists suicide bomb the hell outta each other, doesn't mean I'm happy or agree with what they're doing.

It's such complete nonsense. How can anyone buy this scenario?  

Actually, you'll really want to ask Seival.

Perspective #1.
Why should Quarians forgive the Geth after the peace was achieved on Rannoch?
Why should Krogan forgive Salarians and Turians after the Genophage was destroyed?
Why should Humans forgive the Turians after the First Contact War was over?
...etc.

Perspective #2.
Why should organics forgive or not forgive someone who is not responsible for the disaster? Reapers stopped being
The Reapers after Synthesis, moreover, they helped to repair the damage.



I hope I answered your question?

No, you answered that you lacked sanity long ago. None of those parties should just trust the others. Its been 30 years and the humans still don't trust the turians, or vise versa. What is your point? 

My point is that even initially relationship between ex-reapers and the rest of galactic civilization will not be worse than relationship between Turians and Humans long after the first contact war.

Full-scale conflict between ex-reapers and the rest of galactic civilization  will be impossible for the following main reasons: 
 - Many critical differences and barriers between different races and people were erased.
 - The rest of galactic civilization know what ex-reapers are capable of, and so never dare to attack.
 - Ex-reapers have no reasons to attack the rest of galactic civilization.
 - Time will pass, and the rest of galactic civilization will have no more reasons to attack ex-reapers than to attack anyone else in the galaxy.

[JonathonPR]

In the synthesis ending there is peace because everything is dead. All organic and synthetic life if killed by the wave. The extended scenes are the illusion of hope before the realization of the truth of nihilism. There can be no conflict. A solution was found. The cycles are complete. Eventually the control ending Shepard will come to realise what the catalyst knew and the futility of its efforts. Shepard will implement the synthesis systems and bring an end to suffering and strife. Destruction will eventually create advanced AIs of their own. Built on the legacy of the Reapers. In all scenarios lasting peace will be found. Though not all will understand those with true power will. The entropy of the universe will continue until the stars burn out and the last civilizations huddle around the remaining red dwarfs seeking to avoid the inevitable. They said they wanted deep and dark. How light their world must now appear that the Neverborn become restless in their sleep.

http://youtu.be/0oHtLmjKRbE?t=1m10s

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

My point is that even initially relationship between ex-reapers and the rest of galactic civilization will not be worse than relationship between Turians and Humans long after the first contact war.

Full-scale conflict between ex-reapers and the rest of galactic civilization  will be impossible for the following main reasons: 
 - Many critical differences and barriers between different races and people were erased.

Yay for homogenisation.

- The rest of galactic civilization know what ex-reapers are capable of, and so never dare to attack.

Yay for a galaxy that lives in fear. 

- Ex-reapers have no reasons to attack the rest of galactic civilization.

Yay for headcanon.

- Time will pass, and the rest of galactic civilization will have no more reasons to attack ex-reapers than to attack anyone else in the galaxy.

Yay for brainwashing.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2013 - 10:22 .

[dreamgazer]

Seival wrote...

 - Many critical differences and barriers between different races and people were erased.
 - The rest of galactic civilization know what ex-reapers are capable of, and so never dare to attack.
 - Ex-reapers have no reasons to attack the rest of galactic civilization.
 - Time will pass, and the rest of galactic civilization will have no more reasons to attack ex-reapers than to attack anyone else in the galaxy.

(laughs)

Fantastic.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

My point is that even initially relationship between ex-reapers and the rest of galactic civilization will not be worse than relationship between Turians and Humans long after the first contact war.

Full-scale conflict between ex-reapers and the rest of galactic civilization  will be impossible for the following main reasons: 
 - Many critical differences and barriers between different races and people were erased.

Yay for homogenisation.

- The rest of galactic civilization know what ex-reapers are capable of, and so never dare to attack.

Yay for a galaxy that lives in fear. 

- Ex-reapers have no reasons to attack the rest of galactic civilization.

Yay for headcanon.

- Time will pass, and the rest of galactic civilization will have no more reasons to attack ex-reapers than to attack anyone else in the galaxy.

Yay for brainwashing.

I see you've reached stage 5 at last. Good

It's better to be brainwashed peaceful civilian than an angry unstable person. Better for both this person and everyone around that person.

[The Night Mammoth]

I'd rather be my angry, unstable self than your idea of a peaceful, brainwashed automaton. I'd rather we were all angry and unstable, and kept everything that makes us who we are, instead of having our culture and identity stripped away.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2013 - 10:35 .

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

I see you've reached stage 5 at last. Good

It's better to be brainwashed peaceful civilian than an angry unstable person. Better for both this person and everyone around that person.

Is that you Alliance Command?

Behold your efforts

[Wynterdust]

Would you enjoy it if you were brainwashed into thinking destroying them was the best thing? Or would the brainwashing then be abhorrent?

[Singu]

"Resistance is futile and ignorance is bliss."

- Human software platform #119812525

[General TSAR]

Seival wrote...

It's better to be brainwashed peaceful civilian than an angry unstable person. Better for both this person and everyone around that person.

Where's the men in white coats when you need them?

[MegaSovereign]

Is the whole brainwashing concept part of the Deception theory?

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Is the whole brainwashing concept part of the Deception theory?

Brainwashing is a natural part of any society. And it's a natural part of growth of any intelligent living being.

Modifié par Seival, 13 septembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[General TSAR]

Seival wrote...

Brainwashing is a natural part of any society. And it's natural part of growth of any intelligent living being.

Keep drinking that kool-aid.

[Wynterdust]

Forcibly changing something does not classify as "natural" however.

[Br3admax]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Is the whole brainwashing concept part of the Deception theory?

Brainwashing is a natural part of any society. And it's a natural part of growth of any intelligent living being.

What do you know about intelligence? 

[RZIBARA]

Yestare7 wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Synthesis is bad, and anyone who chooses it is bad and should feel bad

I like this person.  Clear thoughts, and nice Avatar as well.

Not sure if sarcasm. But thanks anyways

[RZIBARA]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Is the whole brainwashing concept part of the Deception theory?

Brainwashing is a natural part of any society. And it's a natural part of growth of any intelligent living being.

[General TSAR]

Wynterdust wrote...

Forcibly changing something does not classify as "natural" however.

Especially on the freakin' galactic level.

But I'm sure the Reaper sympathizer will find a way to justify it.

[Br3admax]

It's someone who is crazy. Crazier than most of the other people here, anyway.

[Killdren88]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Is the whole brainwashing concept part of the Deception theory?

Brainwashing is a natural part of any society. And it's a natural part of growth of any intelligent living being.

At least now your being honest about all individuality being removed in synthesis.

[Seival]

Wynterdust wrote...

Forcibly changing something does not classify as "natural" however.

Everything is natural.
Nature does not contain unnatural things.
The word "unnatural" can only show your personal attitude towards something.

...Heh, people even born forcibly. No one asks you if you really want to be born or not