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[Legbiter]

You've husked everyone with synthesis so they don't object.

[Br3admax]

shodiswe wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Is the whole brainwashing concept part of the Deception theory?

Brainwashing is a natural part of any society. And it's a natural part of growth of any intelligent living being.

I'm pretty sure you mean "social conditioning," not brainwashing. 

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Any intelligent influence is brainwashing. It can be both positive and negative.

No. You obviously have finally lost what was left of your sense. One teaches you how to live with others, the other strips away free will and forces you to do something. Social Conditioning is optional, in the long run, brainwashing is not.

It's actualy the same concept, it's usualy society which determiens what's acceptable though.
Normaly it isn't acceptable to force people by the use of medication and other technical equipment against their will.. Though, it's common that it's done on people who don't follow the expected norms.
Some people are just more right and stronger than others which gives them more right to exert their will on other people.
Being part of a special belief or system we would think it best for everyone, because we can't be wrong, right?

No it's not the same concept. Teaching someone still allows for them to make the choice in the end. Brainwashing forces someone to believe something and they never get to make the choice themselves. To pretend any different is wrong. 

[JonathonPR]

Brainwashing is any set of techniques intended to deprive an individual of their normal decision making process with the intent of producing a specific outcomes of belief and behavior. Indoctrination (not the MEU version) is the passive application of exposing an individual to ideas and experiences with the intent to alter behavior but not preventing them from rejecting the process at any time. There must be a meaningful option to chose not to continue or alter the experience.

In South America there was a tribe that had a mystery cult. The main process of conversion was to deprive the person of food, sleep, and then drug them while priests in masks pretended to be spirits who would test the initiate until the priests believed the process was complete and that the initiate believed what they had been taught. The initiate was then led out of the caves and allowed to eat and rest. That is indoctrination.

Indoctrination would be along the lines of say an individual liking what they read in a book and reading more books by the same author of group. if over time the individual behaves and thinks more in line with what they consumed than they have been indoctrinated. It can happen with any medium, including talking, and is common when making friends at younger ages. Though at older ages people can still be greatly affected by their peer group.

[RiouHotaru]

This is ridiculous. I mean, I don't see people denouncing Destroy or Control to the level that Synthesis is. Where was all this vitrol when Deus Ex and Invisible War used the idea of connecting everyone to each other as a part of a super-network of consciousness? Especially since you do so without the consent of the population of the world.

Meh, whatever. I take Synthesis for what it is as presented by the ending, a possible outcome that's one of those esoteric, "transcendent"-style endings where people end up becoming more than they once were. Which has both it's upsides and it's downsides. You can debate about brainwashing or indoctrination till you're sick of it, but it's very obvious that no one is negatively effected by it.

If you don't like that it feels idyllic, than that's fine. But at least admit that it's a personal thing. Because as presented, it's not nearly as bad as people would LIKE it to be.

[YourFleshIsMine]

I chose destruction as the only logical outcome based on my views. We don't all have the same views of course, but I haven't seen any comments that would make me rethink that choice. Still, that doesn't mean that my choice is "the right one". It is for me and that's what I care about

[Eterna]

Understanding usually makes the need for vengeance moot.

[YourFleshIsMine]

Eterna5 wrote...

Understanding usually makes the need for vengeance moot.

Not really. But what vengeance are you speaking about? Destruction was a logical choice for me and wasn't about vengeance but about freedom of choice.

[dorktainian]

http://www.cracked.c...otal-sense.html

"the middle choice is to join the Reapers, but if you make that selection you should just eject the game disc and snap it in half because you're playing it wrong"

and that comment wins the internetz.

[Br3admax]

Anything that says IT makes sense should only win a straightjacket.

[KaiserShep]

RiouHotaru wrote...

This is ridiculous. I mean, I don't see people denouncing Destroy or Control to the level that Synthesis is. Where was all this vitrol when Deus Ex and Invisible War used the idea of connecting everyone to each other as a part of a super-network of consciousness? Especially since you do so without the consent of the population of the world.

This is because aside from being the most outlandish magic of the three choices, it tries to reinforce an idea that contradicts the narrative up to this point. Destroy and Control are more straightforward, though it's funny how Control's only advocate is an indoctrinated agent that's trying to sabotage everything, and even Vendetta goes on about the war being disrupted by a splinter group that tried to do the same, aiding in their downfall.  

[Iakus]

Br3ad wrote...

Anything that says IT makes sense should only win a straightjacket.

Eh, not a follower of IT, but it makes at least as much sense as the vanilla endigns.

[Br3admax]

iakus wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Anything that says IT makes sense should only win a straightjacket.

Eh, not a follower of IT, but it makes at least as much sense as the vanilla endigns.

Anything who said that they made sense can join them. 

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[Iakus]

Br3ad wrote...

iakus wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Anything that says IT makes sense should only win a straightjacket.

Eh, not a follower of IT, but it makes at least as much sense as the vanilla endigns.

Anything who said that they made sense can join them. 

Notice I didn't say it made sense, I said it makes as much sense as the originals

[dorktainian]

Legbiter wrote...

You've husked everyone with synthesis so they don't object.

   

so true.