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[handheld]

Handheld himself has decided that he shall start the cycle anew with round 1 instead of continuing with the former number ( in truth Handheld himself cant remember what number he was on) .

Handheld would also like to say enough with the homosexual threads one is enough and as one of Handhelds fellow forumites pointed out they always turn into an argument where people argue pointless things.

On to Handhelds question

Handheld himself and a IRL cohort of handhelds were recently having a video game discussion and the topic of religion came up.

Handheld himself knows religion can be a touchy subject and if careful attention is not used when implementing it into games (and not just games movies as well as other types of media) It can upset alot of people as handheld and his many fellow forumites know there are many types of religion and each one special in its own way.

Handheld remembers that in Mass effect Ashley spoke of how she believed in god Handheld himself believes it added to her character and made her more interesting.

Handhelds Cohort and Handheld himself discussed this for a while and Handheld came to the conclusion that his Cohort was not entirely comfortable with the way religion is sometimes portrayed in video games as Handhelds Cohort is a Christian However Handhelds cohort still plays games because of the fact that he enjoys them.

Handheld poses this question upon His fellow forumites.

Handheld wishes to know how his fellow forumites feel about religion in video games and if they are uncomfortable with it or fine with it?

Handheld himself only asks that you keep the discussion as civil as possible and not attempt to start a holy forum war.

Modifié par handheld, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:10 .

[tikalal]

I'm fine with it as long as the religion of my character is not decided for me. I liked the opportunity to choose whether I was religious or atheist. I also thought that Ashley's religion added to her character.



Chose athiest by the way

[Dave of Canada]

I don't mind religion, provided it isn't shoved into our face. I'm a catholic but when things go out of their way to provide religious examples and such, it's too much.



I was fine with Assassin's Creed 2, Ashley in Mass Effect (It was one line, I don't get why people think she's a zealot) and such. Yet I disliked the entire Bible Adventure games that came out on the super nintendo, I dislike anybody (regardless of faith or belief) that goes out of their way to pressure their beliefs on others.



Even told my grandfather to stop acting like an idiot when he was at an atheistic funeral and was telling them that the deceased were gone to hell for not following the "true god".

[handheld]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't mind religion, provided it isn't shoved into our face. I'm a catholic but when things go out of their way to provide religious examples and such, it's too much.

I was fine with Assassin's Creed 2, Ashley in Mass Effect (It was one line, I don't get why people think she's a zealot) and such. Yet I disliked the entire Bible Adventure games that came out on the super nintendo, I dislike anybody (regardless of faith or belief) that goes out of their way to pressure their beliefs on others.

Even told my grandfather to stop acting like an idiot when he was at an atheistic funeral and was telling them that the deceased were gone to hell for not following the "true god".

Handheld himself agrees that it is one thing to have religion in game but it could be particularly upsetting to some people if they are forced to play as a person who shares a religion they do not.

Handheld himself thinks that as long as developers dont do that then alot of them should be fine However Handheld knows that even still some people will still get upset about one reason or the other.

[Neria Rose]

Fine with it as long as there is the option to avoid it when it becomes too preachy.





**DA:O SPOILERS**





Take Leliana in DA:O. Not a real religion, of course, but you get the impression from the beginning that she is a religious freak and have the option to leave her behind. Now, you miss out on finding why she's that way, but that's for another forum entirely.

[handheld]

Neria Rose wrote...

Fine with it as long as there is the option to avoid it when it becomes too preachy.


**DA:O SPOILERS**


Take Leliana in DA:O. Not a real religion, of course, but you get the impression from the beginning that she is a religious freak and have the option to leave her behind. Now, you miss out on finding why she's that way, but that's for another forum entirely.

Handheld sees Hanar preach mania 3000 for the xbox 360 in your future.

[Keltoris]

I like having it there for flavor, especially unconventional ones.



I was a smidge dissapointed by how generic the Maker was in DAO. I would like to look into Asari religions in more detail though. Stupid fanfics getting me hooked on Asari culture. Sometimes I have to play the game again just to remind myself Liara is not that interesting.



(Amusement is the reccomended reaction to this post)

[Neria Rose]

handheld wrote...

Handheld sees Hanar preach mania 3000 for the xbox 360 in your future.

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For you, Handheld, I just might play it!

[handheld]

Keltoris wrote...

I like having it there for flavor, especially unconventional ones.

I was a smidge dissapointed by how generic the Maker was in DAO. I would like to look into Asari religions in more detail though. Stupid fanfics getting me hooked on Asari culture. Sometimes I have to play the game again just to remind myself Liara is not that interesting.

(Amusement is the reccomended reaction to this post)

Handheld himself thinks that if the ingame religion is well thought out then it is a plus as Handheld loves it when a game has a believable backstory and lore.

[Kriselia]

I liked how Ashley's religion was handled, she only makes a passing comment to it and Shepard can react with everything between freaking out and telling that he agrees.

I also liked how the codex entries go into detail about the religions of aliens, it adds a little extra flavor to the different cultures.

[handheld]

Kriselia wrote...

I liked how Ashley's religion was handled, she only makes a passing comment to it and Shepard can react with everything between freaking out and telling that he agrees.
I also liked how the codex entries go into detail about the religions of aliens, it adds a little extra flavor to the different cultures.

Handheld agrees he also liked her little comment about being in space and having a god.

Handheld found this quite amusing.

[merak43]

the problem is all the fanatics that is out there (no specific religion i am talking about there are extremist everywere)
there could just be that that bioware get an extremist fraction on it self if they talk any more then a passing comment on religions

hope this makes sence

Modifié par merak43, 19 janvier 2010 - 12:54 .

[Keltoris]

merak43 wrote...

the problem is all the fanatics that is out there (no specific religion i am talking about there are extremist everywere)
there could just be that that bioware get an extremist fraction on it self if they talk any more then a passing comment on religions

Just use the Knights Templar as a base. You can bag those and no one can object.

Well, if they do, 1 word: Crusades.

[handheld]

merak43 wrote...

the problem is all the fanatics that is out there (no specific religion i am talking about there are extremist everywere)
there could just be that that bioware get an extremist fraction on it self if they talk any more then a passing comment on religions

hope this makes sence

As Handheld mentioned it is not only videogames but movies also that can receive this kind of unwanted attention Handheld thinks mel gibson Passion of the christ is a good example as many a religous person was extremely upset by his movie.

Handheld would also mention the westboro baptist church as an extre..... handheld takes that back they are a cult that other people form cults to hate.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Religion in games all depends on implementation. Oddly enough, it's just like romance and sex in video games. Handled properly, it can really add to the characters in the game or the mythology of the game world itself. Handled improperly, it just becomes a ridiculous caricature.



As a part of the human experience (no matter what you personally believe, religion is everywhere around us), I think it's a disservice to leave it out completely. At the same time, you do risk offending people when you include overt religious tones in a game, which is generally why I think religion is actually not as abundant in games as you would expect.

[handheld]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Religion in games all depends on implementation. Oddly enough, it's just like romance and sex in video games. Handled properly, it can really add to the characters in the game or the mythology of the game world itself. Handled improperly, it just becomes a ridiculous caricature.

As a part of the human experience (no matter what you personally believe, religion is everywhere around us), I think it's a disservice to leave it out completely. At the same time, you do risk offending people when you include overt religious tones in a game, which is generally why I think religion is actually not as abundant in games as you would expect.

Handheld himself thinks you have a good point although Handheld thinks that religion in games is not as prominent because In Handhelds opinion it would be hard to find that line that you dont want to cross versus the line that is acceptable by everyone.

Handheld thinks that since so many people are so diverse in the ways of there religion it makes it a bit hard to know when your going to offend someone.

handheld also thinks that there are also the obvious no nos such as "i must save the world but first i must have a god sandwich.

Handheld thinks god sandwich is a no no.

[RyuKazuha]

Dude, i'll never get into your third-person self reference.



I'm most of the times comfortable with religion, as it is presented in games, as long as my Char isn't forced to believe in it. I'm not an atheist, since I'm not certain, that there's no higher form of existence than that we've reached so for, nor am I a Theist, since I'm even less certain, that any higher existence would care for us or prepare a Afterlife with endless joy or endless pain, only cause we did or did not believe in it's existence.



God may exist, whatever is correctly described by that term, and this entity might have created the big bang with a fart or modeled us humans after itself, whatever, if there's a god, i can't know if it, and if theres none, I can't know of it either. So what to do?



Some might say: If you believe an there's nothing, you did not lose something. If you don't an there is, you WILL loose something.



Well, okay, but what if i DID believe, but certainly got into the worng religion. Crap, all for nothing. Assuming there are hundreds of differing believes, i'm almost certain i'll miss the right one. That turns the odds of being just a non-believer against being a "wrong-believer". So i'll just stick to claim i've a free will and that I am accountable for anything a do by myself. If i decide wrong, a god may punish me afterwards, if i do not, he may reward it.



But neither will I decide my actions in fear of eternal punishment, nor will I decide my actions in favor of gaining eternal reward. I do what I see fit, because I choose to do so, and as long as I'm able to carry that threw in a Video Game, I'm content.

[Inferno Sock]

I think it was well put in ME

But there are games like Doom 3 were ther u go into hell its self which is the game and i know many people dislike that

Which where about i come from destracts slight mention of religion in other games like ME so ive never seen a problem with Religion Metion in video games other than extreme use

[handheld]

RyuKazuha wrote...

Dude, i'll never get into your third-person self reference.

I'm most of the times comfortable with religion, as it is presented in games, as long as my Char isn't forced to believe in it. I'm not an atheist, since I'm not certain, that there's no higher form of existence than that we've reached so for, nor am I a Theist, since I'm even less certain, that any higher existence would care for us or prepare a Afterlife with endless joy or endless pain, only cause we did or did not believe in it's existence.

God may exist, whatever is correctly described by that term, and this entity might have created the big bang with a fart or modeled us humans after itself, whatever, if there's a god, i can't know if it, and if theres none, I can't know of it either. So what to do?

Some might say: If you believe an there's nothing, you did not lose something. If you don't an there is, you WILL loose something.

Well, okay, but what if i DID believe, but certainly got into the worng religion. Crap, all for nothing. Assuming there are hundreds of differing believes, i'm almost certain i'll miss the right one. That turns the odds of being just a non-believer against being a "wrong-believer". So i'll just stick to claim i've a free will and that I am accountable for anything a do by myself. If i decide wrong, a god may punish me afterwards, if i do not, he may reward it.

But neither will I decide my actions in fear of eternal punishment, nor will I decide my actions in favor of gaining eternal reward. I do what I see fit, because I choose to do so, and as long as I'm able to carry that threw in a Video Game, I'm content.

Handheld himself feels similar to the way you do towards religion.

Handheld himself has no claim to a religion However Handheld does believe that eventually his choices will come back to him However Handheld believes that these choices will be judged by Handheld himself once Handheld is so old and wrinkly to the point that Handheld starts looking back on his life before his final moments.

Handheld thinks that if there is a god and whatever his purpose may be Handheld wishes that if he must judge Handheld wishes him to do it for living his life as Handheld himself chose and not because  a book or someone else told him how to live it.

[Dave of Canada]

Inferno Sock wrote...

I think it was well put in ME
But there are games like Doom 3 were ther u go into hell its self which is the game and i know many people dislike that
Which where about i come from destracts slight mention of religion in other games like ME so ive never seen a problem with Religion Metion in video games other than extreme use

People felt odd going into hell in Doom 3? 

Didn't they play the original Doom? 

[westiex9]

i like having religion in video games and think it can add to the games complexity and Narrative provided its done tastefully

[handheld]

westiex9 wrote...

i like having religion in video games and think it can add to the games complexity and Narrative provided its done tastefully

Quick and sexy

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[Chairchucker]

handheld wrote...

Handheld remembers that in Mass effect Ashley spoke of how she believed in god Handheld himself believes it added to her character and made her more interesting.

I remember someone suggesting that the way Ashley's faith (and the character's own) is explored was a little weak.

I think the conversation went something like this "Yeah, I've been in a few foxholes myself, now how do you feel about premarital sex? All for it? OK rad."

Note: may be slightly paraphrased.

But yeah, I thought that while it was interesting, it didn't, in the end, impact on the character in any real way.

[mewarmo990]

For me, religion in videogames is fine as long as views aren't forced on the player. It wouldn't make commercial sense to do that anyway, unless you were marketing to a particular demographic.



ME didn't make more than a couple references to it when Ashley talks about her faith, and in the codex where it stated that some religious groups opposed gene therapy. The Codex entry is of no consequence but as BW probably intended, I felt that it added depth to her character and a very traditionally "human" perspective in the context of humanity's entry into the galactic community.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I don't mind about other people religious beliefs (as long as they don't try to preach to me, I'm an atheist myself, both IRL and in any game that gives me the choice). I don't think your religious outlook would be imposed upon you in any Bioware game since you can pretty much choose your dialogue in any of them, so...