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[steve1945]

Well thats just like, your opinion man.

[handheld]

Handheld Thinks his topic exploded into rainbows of discussion which is a good thing.

Handheld would also like to say thank you to Mr.Woo for posting in his topic.

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up
already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was
handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very
easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting
and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a
real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more
about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of
religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect
universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a
space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

Handheld himself found it very well done as he wasnt made uncomfortable about it nor was it non existant.

Handheld himself thinks that the chantry actually resembled the way religion was back in the medieval times and the crusades. Handheld found it especially neat as to how the chantry basically had a chokehold on mages because they were dangerous, Handheld really liked how he felt a sort of unease around the templars during the mage origins that part Handheld thought was extremely well done and provided a great atmosphere and feeling to how mages are sort of oppressed.


Handheld also thanks the many forumites for keeping this civil and discussing it like gentleman and ladies.

[VanTesla]

Plato once wrote that Socrates asked the question to his students:



Did the gods create man or did man create the gods ?



I would love to hear the students reply's. Socrates always played the devils advocate when it came to questions Be it good or bad he would be the counter.

[Z-Dragon]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

not sure about other religions, but some catholic priest adapt their beliefs with new information, so i could see catholism still existing, it probably wouldn't be as prominent as it is now, but i could still see it existing; maybe even some aliens species might start adopting it like the turians did with budhism (probably a mis-spelling)

Speaking of which, i think it would be interesting if we saw some humans adopting alien religious beliefs...

[YR_Lim]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I think the discovery of other species and galactic exploration would pretty much kill the concept of religion if it were to happen. It is highly unlikely that human's religion would spread to other races vice versa.

[La Sangreal]

As long as there is an answer unknown, there will exist religion. Traditional religions will still exist, even if they adapt to scientific discoveries. I'd imagine more people would, in a way, be agnostic. They would believe more in the search for an answer rather than taking any particular religious stance.

[handheld]

YR_Lim wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I think the discovery of other species and galactic exploration would pretty much kill the concept of religion if it were to happen. It is highly unlikely that human's religion would spread to other races vice versa.

Handheld himself thinks you would be terribly wrong as it is described in the codex that some turians even started practicing buddhism among other religions Handheld thinks it is not such a stretch that they would do this as religion can have many different types of people and races and cultures within it.

[Detsu]

If religion is included as part of a coherent universe, then I'm all for it. I have to say I disagree with many of the posters here who expressed a specific desire to have their player character not forced into a particular religion. For WRPGs, which are always focused on having the player character be a specific avatar for the player, that's fine.



But for games focused more on a narrative and not a vicarious experience, my player character can have any religious beliefs he or she wants, if it enhances the story.

[handheld]

Detsu wrote...

If religion is included as part of a coherent universe, then I'm all for it. I have to say I disagree with many of the posters here who expressed a specific desire to have their player character not forced into a particular religion. For WRPGs, which are always focused on having the player character be a specific avatar for the player, that's fine.

But for games focused more on a narrative and not a vicarious experience, my player character can have any religious beliefs he or she wants, if it enhances the story.

Handheld doesnt see why you disagree with them. Handheld thinks that his fellow forumites just dont want to play a character who for example is a catholic when they have the choice to not be one.

[YR_Lim]

handheld wrote...

YR_Lim wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I think the discovery of other species and galactic exploration would pretty much kill the concept of religion if it were to happen. It is highly unlikely that human's religion would spread to other races vice versa.

Handheld himself thinks you would be terribly wrong as it is described in the codex that some turians even started practicing buddhism among other religions Handheld thinks it is not such a stretch that they would do this as religion can have many different types of people and races and cultures within it.

Buddism is more of a philosophical than a Monotheism approach.

Religions with a deity would likely to be contained within the species, as it is almost impossible for humans to accept a Turian deity or for Turians to accept humans. Philosophical thinking however is not limited, it would be highly unlikely to see an Hindu/Islam/Catholic turian, but it would be highly likely that interaction with other species gives human new perspectives and adopt new ideas like turians adapt ours.

[Ziggy]

In a couple of hundred years, with more discoveries about the big bang, the origin of life and evolution sure to be made, I think it will become harder and harder for religion to find a place. I especially don't think it belongs on a large scale in the Mass effect universe, what with the discovery of alien species as well. Pockets of fanatics maybe.

[LurchALC]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I think you should use real religions and real prejidices. It would be really interesting and engaging. Like, how whould a Cathlic and an Ilsamic, or Muslim party member get along? Throw a Jew in there too and make it really interesting.

[Mr.Skar]

To Handheld:



Sorry I missed your post man. If you could point me in the direction of the book you mentioned, that would be great.



Back on topic, man I am glad this topic is getting some legitimate discussion here. To often these threads become a train wreck of insults, with the insulting parties stomping off from the wreckage convinced they "won". I stand by my original opinion that if used tastefully, religion in games enriches the environment rather than ruins it.



I feel kind of bad that I have nothing new and intelligent to add to the discourse you guys and gals have goin' on here. I guess that's what being a Creative Writing student gets you .

[Superunkown]

Yay GOD

[LurchALC]

Superunkown wrote...

Yay GOD

No its Allah, inffedel!

[mortimoo]

im all for religion and im all for it being represented in film and video games etc, the only time religion bothers me is when it is pushed down my throat, i dont like it when religious people portray there religion as the "right" religion and everybody else is "wrong".

i respect each and everyones choice to believe in whatever God or Gods they wish, and i expect the same respect for my choice to not believe...that is all on that.

but back to video games, i am all for particular characters being religious if it helps build character and enhanced storyline, Ashley's faith in ME1 was very interesting i loved our little semi-philosophical discussions in the hanger bay. that helped me understand who she was and what she stood for, which is great.

i just dont want people in games who stand there an they'e like " im the good guy, im a christian".

Modifié par mortimoo, 21 janvier 2010 - 08:18 .

[Daerog]

Em23 wrote...

In a couple of hundred years, with more discoveries about the big bang, the origin of life and evolution sure to be made, I think it will become harder and harder for religion to find a place. I especially don't think it belongs on a large scale in the Mass effect universe, what with the discovery of alien species as well. Pockets of fanatics maybe.

Religion... OK IMO, mean no offense to anyone... Religion doesn't really have to be a source for answers of *the beginning*

Mainly, it's a source for understanding how things are, not scientifically but philosophically. Also, there is the metaphysical (thats the right word, right?) parts of it.

Religion will always find a place, why must everyone view it as Science vs Religion? This isn't the dark ages anymore. After all, it was a priest who came up with the concept of the big bang, and some scientist picked up on it and helped prove it.

Why not large scale? Doesn't stop the hanar or the believers of the Asari goddess. Even as a roman catholic, believing in evolution, the big bang, aliens (its most likely there is life, not just a single planet, even if its just bacteria), and following science is not conflicting with faith. I'm waiting for science to replicate or just prove the "God particle", Higs boson or w/e its called, I don't remember names well.

[Yootje]

Many people wrote many things

Buddism is more of a philosophical than a Monotheism approach.

Religions with a deity would likely to be contained within the species, as it is almost impossible for humans to accept a Turian deity or for Turians to accept humans. Philosophical thinking however is not limited, it would be highly unlikely to see an Hindu/Islam/Catholic turian, but it would be highly likely that interaction with other species gives human new perspectives and adopt new ideas like turians adapt ours.

Like with any other religion, there are many different forms of Buddishm, some almost purely philosophical and some downright religious with deities (... spelling?) and demons.
Of course, the alien equivalent of philosophical Buddishm (that is, spirituality without anthropomorfic (turianmorphic, whatever) god(s))  could be adopted by humans just as easily as the other way around.

[Superunkown]

LurchALC wrote...

Superunkown wrote...

Yay GOD

No its Allah, inffedel!

You understand that allah is God in arabic?

[Superunkown]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Em23 wrote...

In a couple of hundred years, with more discoveries about the big bang, the origin of life and evolution sure to be made, I think it will become harder and harder for religion to find a place. I especially don't think it belongs on a large scale in the Mass effect universe, what with the discovery of alien species as well. Pockets of fanatics maybe.

Religion... OK IMO, mean no offense to anyone... Religion doesn't really have to be a source for answers of *the beginning*

Mainly, it's a source for understanding how things are, not scientifically but philosophically. Also, there is the metaphysical (thats the right word, right?) parts of it.

Religion will always find a place, why must everyone view it as Science vs Religion? This isn't the dark ages anymore. After all, it was a priest who came up with the concept of the big bang, and some scientist picked up on it and helped prove it.

Why not large scale? Doesn't stop the hanar or the believers of the Asari goddess. Even as a roman catholic, believing in evolution, the big bang, aliens (its most likely there is life, not just a single planet, even if its just bacteria), and following science is not conflicting with faith. I'm waiting for science to replicate or just prove the "God particle", Higs boson or w/e its called, I don't remember names well.

Read Genesis Enigma and the big bang theory was developed by a wait for it........CATHOLIC PRESIT by the name of Georges Lemaitre.

The bible and other religious texts that are prominant in the world today teach tolerence and good will. There is no evil in these texts but MAN finds ways to create evil.

[BigKahuna25]

I can't help but picture the christians' starship in that one episode of South Park...

[Ziggy]

Superunkown wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Em23 wrote...

In a couple of hundred years, with more discoveries about the big bang, the origin of life and evolution sure to be made, I think it will become harder and harder for religion to find a place. I especially don't think it belongs on a large scale in the Mass effect universe, what with the discovery of alien species as well. Pockets of fanatics maybe.

Religion... OK IMO, mean no offense to anyone... Religion doesn't really have to be a source for answers of *the beginning*

Mainly, it's a source for understanding how things are, not scientifically but philosophically. Also, there is the metaphysical (thats the right word, right?) parts of it.

Religion will always find a place, why must everyone view it as Science vs Religion? This isn't the dark ages anymore. After all, it was a priest who came up with the concept of the big bang, and some scientist picked up on it and helped prove it.

Why not large scale? Doesn't stop the hanar or the believers of the Asari goddess. Even as a roman catholic, believing in evolution, the big bang, aliens (its most likely there is life, not just a single planet, even if its just bacteria), and following science is not conflicting with faith. I'm waiting for science to replicate or just prove the "God particle", Higs boson or w/e its called, I don't remember names well.

Read Genesis Enigma and the big bang theory was developed by a wait for it........CATHOLIC PRESIT by the name of Georges Lemaitre.

The bible and other religious texts that are prominant in the world today teach tolerence and good will. There is no evil in these texts but MAN finds ways to create evil.

I see nothing wrong with religions that are more like philosophies, but then they’re probably called philosophies not religions. Most religious beliefs directly contradict scientific theories, and the idea that faith – belief without evidence – is good, directly contradicts the scientific method.

Big bang vs God in 6 days, creation or ‘intelligent design’ vs evolution etc

As science continues to develop with new discoveries, it inevitably gets harder for religion to exist as it stays essentially the same regardless. 



Btw, the Higgs boson particle is hypothesised to explain why things have mass and the “God particle” is just a gimmicky name for it - nothing do with proving God exists.

Modifié par Em23, 21 janvier 2010 - 10:25 .

[RyuKazuha]

YR_Lim wrote...

handheld wrote...

YR_Lim wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I think the discovery of other species and galactic exploration would pretty much kill the concept of religion if it were to happen. It is highly unlikely that human's religion would spread to other races vice versa.

Handheld himself thinks you would be terribly wrong as it is described in the codex that some turians even started practicing buddhism among other religions Handheld thinks it is not such a stretch that they would do this as religion can have many different types of people and races and cultures within it.

Buddism is more of a philosophical than a Monotheism approach.

Religions with a deity would likely to be contained within the species, as it is almost impossible for humans to accept a Turian deity or for Turians to accept humans. Philosophical thinking however is not limited, it would be highly unlikely to see an Hindu/Islam/Catholic turian, but it would be highly likely that interaction with other species gives human new perspectives and adopt new ideas like turians adapt ours.

Even if you're right and monotheism would be smashed by making contact with aliens, there's no indication to say "the concept of religion" would die, since "religion" is way more than just straight monotheism with a personal god. 
But I think, even monotheism could survive, though I expect t to evolve in kind of a more pantheistic way, abandoning the concept of a god in person, that made humans after his image.

[Arrtis]

human religions sound very conceited from the perspective of an alien probably.