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MICHELLE7 wrote...

It seems games are leaning more towards realistic experiences these days...mirroring real life more and more. If they are going to create diverse characters I don't see how they can't include religion at some point just for variety's sake. Be kinda dull if all the characters believed the same way.

Handheld thinks that if they were to include religion for varieties sake then Handheld thinks that alot of people are going to be upset.

Handheld thinks it would be like putting catholics in a race car game just for catholics sake.

handheld knows that cars arent religous....... Except for honda......... Damn you honda fit.

[GnusmasTHX]

As long as it's fair, I don't mind any portrayal of religion, sexuality or even political commentary in anything I watch or play.



I don't believe views can be 'forced' on any one. You take what you take from games, films and even books. Nothing more, nothing less.



Unless you're young, and especially prone to outside influence, but this is an M rated game, and that's an entirely different discussion.

[handheld]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

As long as it's fair, I don't mind any portrayal of religion, sexuality or even political commentary in anything I watch or play.

I don't believe views can be 'forced' on any one. You take what you take from games, films and even books. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unless you're young, and especially prone to outside influence, but this is an M rated game, and that's an entirely different discussion.

Handheld himself believes that if you were to play a game where the main character attempted to preach his religion to the players Handheld thinks that would be an attempt to force its views down your throat.

[GnusmasTHX]

handheld wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

As long as it's fair, I don't mind any portrayal of religion, sexuality or even political commentary in anything I watch or play.

I don't believe views can be 'forced' on any one. You take what you take from games, films and even books. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unless you're young, and especially prone to outside influence, but this is an M rated game, and that's an entirely different discussion.

Handheld himself believes that if you were to play a game where the main character attempted to preach his religion to the players Handheld thinks that would be an attempt to force its views down your throat.

Key word is ATTEMPT. The audience will take from it what it will, and it's ultimately the viewers choice whether or not things go down their throats... or forced anywhere... for a lack of a better phrase.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:38 .

[Zeyphon]

I am an atheist extremist, I will execute all non-non-believers

[handheld]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

handheld wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

As long as it's fair, I don't mind any portrayal of religion, sexuality or even political commentary in anything I watch or play.

I don't believe views can be 'forced' on any one. You take what you take from games, films and even books. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unless you're young, and especially prone to outside influence, but this is an M rated game, and that's an entirely different discussion.

Handheld himself believes that if you were to play a game where the main character attempted to preach his religion to the players Handheld thinks that would be an attempt to force its views down your throat.

Key word is ATTEMPT. The audience will take from it what it will, and it's ultimately the viewers choice whether or not things go down their throats... or forced anywhere... for a lack of a better phrase.

Handheld thinks that even if you wont accept whats been said to you Handheld knows that no one wants to play a game where the main character preaches to you to become said christian no matter if its attempted or not.


Handheld knows it is up to the gamer themselves however If handheld wants to play a game that looks really good but the main character is a priest whose mission is to convert other NPCs to christianity while the Main character is preaching to the gamer themselves to become a christian Handheld thinks that it is essentially being forced down Handhelds throat as Handheld doesnt want to hear it But Handheld has to otherwise he will miss out on a fun game.

[GnusmasTHX]

handheld wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

handheld wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

As long as it's fair, I don't mind any portrayal of religion, sexuality or even political commentary in anything I watch or play.

I don't believe views can be 'forced' on any one. You take what you take from games, films and even books. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unless you're young, and especially prone to outside influence, but this is an M rated game, and that's an entirely different discussion.

Handheld himself believes that if you were to play a game where the main character attempted to preach his religion to the players Handheld thinks that would be an attempt to force its views down your throat.

Key word is ATTEMPT. The audience will take from it what it will, and it's ultimately the viewers choice whether or not things go down their throats... or forced anywhere... for a lack of a better phrase.

 Handheld has to otherwise he will miss out on a fun game.

Like you said, that's the players choice to play that game.

How would you consider this to be a fun game if it has aspects you dislike?

That's like saying I REALLY REALLY want to play Gran Turismo, but unfortunately there's racing in it. And that's the games fault.

[handheld]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

handheld wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

handheld wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

As long as it's fair, I don't mind any portrayal of religion, sexuality or even political commentary in anything I watch or play.

I don't believe views can be 'forced' on any one. You take what you take from games, films and even books. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unless you're young, and especially prone to outside influence, but this is an M rated game, and that's an entirely different discussion.

Handheld himself believes that if you were to play a game where the main character attempted to preach his religion to the players Handheld thinks that would be an attempt to force its views down your throat.

Key word is ATTEMPT. The audience will take from it what it will, and it's ultimately the viewers choice whether or not things go down their throats... or forced anywhere... for a lack of a better phrase.

 Handheld has to otherwise he will miss out on a fun game.

Like you said, that's the players choice to play that game.

How would you consider this to be a fun game if it has aspects you dislike?

That's like saying I REALLY REALLY want to play Gran Turismo, but unfortunately there's racing in it. And that's the games fault.

Handheld thinks that by your logic Then Handheld shouldnt play a game because he dislikes certain elements of said game?

Handheld thinks if that were the case then alot of people wouldnt play mass effect 2 simply because they dont like the red veins.

Perhaps Handheld wants to play the game christian pony racing because it is actually (gasp) a good game and has excellent implementation of christian pony battle skills or has a great story.

Handheld is not going to not play a game simply because there is an element he doesnt like However if that element is constantly aiming to convert Handheld to something he doesnt want to be then it is effectively being forced down Handhelds throat.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I think Handheld is right, actually. Preaching about a certain religion in a game is a bad move. From a comercial point of view this is so obvious that I can't think of any mainstream game that does it. I think that's the greatest indicative that it's not a good idea.



I don't want to be preached to, and that is being an atheist as I am, and not biased against any particular religion. I am pretty sure that a game where the main character tried to actively impress upon the player the virtues of Islam would surely put off a huge amount of catholic players. (Not only that, but the media uproar it would cause could be of epic proportions). Videogames do not need any more social controversy than there's already around them.



So, not only do I not like it, but I think it would be a very bad move commercially and socially

[Hathur]

People who refer to themself in the third person need to be institutionalized.

Modifié par Hathur, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:00 .

[handheld]

Hathur wrote...

People who come into someones thread and completely disregard the topic in favor of insulting someone are forum ogre's.

Handheld has edtied your post to reflect the truth

Handheld discussed with Handhelds cohort a second time about religion in video games this time he specifically brought up mass effect and dantes inferno.

Handhelds cohort says that He was very pleased with how mass effect kept the religion to a minimum while at the same time using it to make ashley more interesting, Handhelds cohort also said he was very iffy on the dante's inferno subject as while he is more laid back about religion in games and media he is uncomfortable with the fact that the game takes place in hell Handheld thinks it sucks as he is a big fan of the epic poem itself and also is a fan of god of war type games.

Handheld thinks that samara could be used as a religious example as she has devoted her life to being a justicar Handheld has seen IRL people do something similar and while Handheld does not fault these people Handheld himself thinks it must be a lonely life.

[Mr.Skar]

I prefer for a subtle use of religion. As a Christian myself I like seeing religion (any religion) used in a tasteful manner. No one likes being preached to, no matter what side of the fence you sit on (that's a little agreement my atheist friends and I have, don't preach to me and I won't preach to you). I eagerly await the day when we see a creative use of religion in a game, something beyond the "fight the fanatics" thing. Arthur C. Clarke makes an iteresting use of Christianity in the Rama books, and David Drake does the same with his Way in the Hammer's Slammers stories.

[handheld]

Mr.Skar wrote...

I prefer for a subtle use of religion. As a Christian myself I like seeing religion (any religion) used in a tasteful manner. No one likes being preached to, no matter what side of the fence you sit on (that's a little agreement my atheist friends and I have, don't preach to me and I won't preach to you). I eagerly await the day when we see a creative use of religion in a game, something beyond the "fight the fanatics" thing. Arthur C. Clarke makes an iteresting use of Christianity in the Rama books, and David Drake does the same with his Way in the Hammer's Slammers stories.

Handheld is glad that you feel that way.

Handheld asks if you have read a book by a small author named dolvin Enerkal its an interesting book he wrote where he went around the world and discussed the different religions and explains how some are more similar than we realize and yet so different.

Handheld thinks its a good book he has a copy somewhere around here if he can find it he will send you a link.

[jeckaldied]

I seem to be agreeing with most people here, religion, when handled well, can be a great addition to a games universe.

I found the way the handled religion in Mass Effect to be a great example of good use of religion in game.

I don't even mind so much games advocating one view over an other (whether it be *this religions good* or *there is no God!* what have you) as long as it's somewhat obvious that that kind of stuff is in the game. People who don't like that stuff can ignore it, people who like it can pick it up.

Like the Bible Adventure games, honestly no one is going to pick up one of those games unless they either believe in the Bible, or want to see how bad of game play they have. I wouldn't expect anyone to be shocked that they are preaching.

However, not all games are as obvious in there message as Bible Adventure, so I'll go with:

'Unless it's marketed as pro/anti whatever ((or atleast very obvious from the back of the box or something)), as long as the subject of religion is handled with tact and fairness, I'm totally for.'

Modifié par jeckaldied, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:36 .

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jeckaldied wrote...

I seem to be agreeing with most people here, religion, when handled well, can be a great addition to a games universe.

I found the way the handled religion in Mass Effect to be a great example of good use of religion in game.

I don't even mind so much games advocating one view over an other (whether it be *this religions good* or *there is no God!* what have you) as long as it's somewhat obvious that that kind of stuff is in the game. People who don't like that stuff can ignore it, people who like it can pick it up.

Like the Bible Adventure games, honestly no one is going to pick up one of those games unless they either believe in the Bible, or want to see how bad of game play they have. I wouldn't expect anyone to be shocked that they are preaching.

However, not all games are as obvious in there message as Bible Adventure, so I'll go with:

'Unless it's marketed as pro/anti whatever ((or atleast very obvious from the back of the box or something)), as long as the subject of religion is handled with tact and fairness, I'm totally for.'

Handheld himself has notcied that many a forumite also feels the same way.

They feel as long as its not trashy and tossed in there without much care then it is fine.

[steve1945]

As religious extremist myself who enjoys converting people I love having religion in games. It adds to the flavor and believability of the backstory. It also allows me to play my personal favorite type of character. The Paladin. Which I always play as if im Alexander Anderson



Oh and when I say religious extremist I dont mean Christianity, or Islam. I preach the Imperial Truth to any brother who will see it. Cookie for the reference

[DarthCaine]

From Mass Effect: Revelation:

In 2148, a mining team on Mars made perhaps humanity's greatest discovery. After investigating the 'Bermuda Triangle'-like reputation of the southern pole, the team unearthed the subterranean ruins of an ancient alien research station, revealing incontrovertible proof of the existence of alien life. Humanity was no longer alone in the universe.

The impact was profound in all areas of human culture, but nowhere more so than religion. New beliefs sprang up overnight such as the Interventionary Evolutionists, who zealously proclaimed the discovery as proof that all human history had been directed and controlled by alien forces. Even established religions struggled to explain extraterrestrial life. Some tried to incorporate this newfound knowledge into their dogma, while a few tried to stubbornly deny the evidence found on Mars.

The news of the discovery dominated the media and raised questions not only about the existence and purpose of man, but questions about the aliens themselves. Foremost, were they still out there? While these questions had served to fracture most religions they had a unifying effect in politics. Rather than nations fighting each other over their differences, it was now 'us vs. them' and the foundations of a united human front were laid.

Within a year of the discovery, Earth's eighteen largest nations had drafted and ratified the Systems Alliance charter, establishing a representative political body to expand and defend human territory. Shortly thereafter, the various nations of Earth pooled their military resources to create the Systems Alliance Military. The same year, 2156, the Alliance discovered the Sol system's mass relay orbiting Pluto, previously thought to be a moon, Charon. The Charon Relay propelled them into space and the reach of humanity grew quickly.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 20 janvier 2010 - 08:53 .

[Marlina]

I'm an atheist, so I don't really give a damn about religion in video games. Nothing about it really offends me. (Then again, nothing else really offends me either. Censoring for adults is stupid.)

Sometimes, it's very fitting, as religion is a huge part of our own society. I thought how it was with Ashley in ME1 was very appropriate.

[Stanley Woo]

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?



It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?



And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?



And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

[SnowHeart1]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

I feel bad for admitting this, but I really tried to skip it.  I'm not sure why that is, either, as I typically enjoy learning about fantasy pantheons -- but the religion in DAO just didn't interest me.  Didn't hate it; just didn't much care for that part one way or the other. 

[mr_luga]

I liked it, I thought christianity/judaism was a bit too close (An elven saying they are grateful for andraste but it isnt their whatever, is exactly what you hear with judaism and christianity)



That part was a bit too much, it made me chuckle and not really draw me in.

[anexanhume]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

I found it well-crafted enough for me to not care. It wasn't particlularly inspiring due to its resemblance to the current varaints of monotheism, but it wasn't so bland that it made it a huge gripe to me.

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I think the way the Asaris approach religion is how most would grasp religion, if they did at all, in the future. I would expect a lot of internal conflict in a normal "God-fearing" person of earth. What does the existence of  other sentient races mean for my faith? Is there evidence that the same God has shown Himself to them? Is the fact that they doubt my religion any different than humans on earth doubting it? What role has religion played in the development of their cultures and societies -- is religion really an evil force, or is esentially a positive force?

[Chaos-fusion]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

I had no trouble with it. It's better than dancing around it and making a mockery of the entire subject.

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

What's wrong with religions as they are now? I know the whole science part tends to throw 'creation' bits of religion out of the window, but I do know one priest who was also a scientist - he believed in both God and the big bang.

I suppose there are going to be religious people around for quite a while, as well as people who dismiss it completely. The first ME handled it well as it was.

[bigt1321]

Thank the maker and maker this was annoying but other than that didn't pay much attention to it.

[Birdman117]

Stanley Woo wrote...
And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I like how it was handled in ME1. It really only came up when talking to Ash and you were given the choice of making Shepard religious or not. And each answer also shaped his opinion on religion. Some of the responses made him/her devout, others made him/her very anti-religious. 

So overall, it was great that you guys made it a small (and optional) part of the game, and then we were given several ways to respond to it.