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[Sylvius the Mad]

I very much liked those DAO handled religion, because the PC's opinion of it was left open, and we were free to criticise others' beliefs openly.



Mass Effect offered no such freedom. I wanted to throw Ashley off my ship.

[Cris Shepard]

Nope, religion has no part in this game for me.. I hear about it in the news enough, the point of playing a game is to escape reality.. Unfortunately religion is a reality in our little world, i'm sure you know my beliefs from that statement alone.. My Shepard will stay free minded, not believing in a false truth, only believing in what he sees right in front of him..



People can be spiritual and some people can be downright retarded, like the religious extremist's who blow people up for no reason or are brainwashed into believing one thing and thats the only possible answer.. I have no respect for anyone who tries to force their beliefs down my throat..

[birdland 1115]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It gave the Religion more weight than most fictional religions in video games. The religion in Oblivion or Jade Emipre for instace felt distant and therefore didn't have much impact.

Stanley Woo wrote...

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

I should think that modern-day Earth religions would largly play the same role in the future that they do today. I can think of no religion that states that life ONLY exists on earth, they simply neglect to mention the possiblity of extraterrestrial life. What I think would be interesting would be the interaction between Alien and Human religions, especially since Christianity in particular places such a high emphasis on evangelism.

Modifié par birdland 1115, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:09 .

[Eradyn]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I imagine any adabtable religion (adaptable without sacrificing its own tenets...otherwise it would become a different religion) would be able to survive a meeting in such an atmosphere.  The Abrahamic religions would all likely be able to survive and adapt to such a reality (you would have some splintering since we're talking about human beings with their own ideas, but the core religions with their tenets would survive and do well).  Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism...I don't see many major religions being crippled or destroyed by the revelation of alien life and space travel, especially when the core of these religions are not dependent on there not being life beyond earth.

DA:O's religions sometimes felt a little too closely modeled on real-world religions, which at times made me somewhat uncomfortable as a Catholic.  The preachyness was tolerable because it seemed more a part of their world than something being shoved in my face for whatever purpose other than atmosphere.  On that note, I'd have rather they'd been more their own creatures, but I can understand why BW might have gone the route they did (especially with DA:O being a more traditional-setting western RPG with some twists).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

The Chantry was a core aspect to Dragon Age. I didn't identify with it at all, even though I am a monotheist, but that's cause of the "bride of the maker" thing. but that;s unimportant. It did feel like a real religion.

I think Mass Effect should talk about already established religions. Like Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Just cause alien life has been discovered shouldn't mean that those religions have to die or be ignored. More than half of human subscribe to those 3 faiths and the numbers are rising.
Humanity is supposed to be uniting by that time. I was really dissapointed that nothing of Earth has been present in ME. Except one planet or ship called "Ibn Battuta" (named after an Arab Muslim geographer) made me really identify with the setting. Show more cultural and religious diversity amongst humans and ttheir effort to stand united.

[ResidentNoob]

To me, Ashley revealing that she was Christian instantly sold her to me as a person; not a video game character; someone who could have real thoughts and feelings. She instantly became believeable because of it.



I think it would be nice to hear about other religions in the Mass effect universe; maybe the Krogan religion, because all that we heard about it was from Wrex saying about the burial site: 'The skulls of our dead laid bare to remind us where we come from, and where we all go'. Thane's religion could also be interesting to hear about.

[GmanFresh]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

 i enjoyed it. i found myself being ingame religious. there was much hopelessness in most of frelden they needed something to hold on to. religion was dismantled from what i read in the books after contact im mass effect so it was quite a rare site

Modifié par GmanFresh, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:14 .

[GrouchoMarxist]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I thought it was handled well enough, the game is something akin to the middle ages, and civilizations in this level of development always feel an urge to support themselves spiritually with religion, as well as the need to use it to enforce and legitimate their rules and rulers, so it's obvious that it must have an important place in the characters' personalities. I don't think it was too preachy, and even if it were, being a fictional religion (albeit resemblant of Christianism), no one would be deeply offended. Anyway, since you had the choice to stablish your own religious opinion with your own answers, it was fine. 

I remember a couple of characters who showed disdain to you if you showed not to be faithful, but again, that add to the realism in a game that's set in something akin to the European Dark Ages.

That said, I don't think religion should have a very important role in Mass Effect, it's proven that civilizations tend to be less religious the more technology and development advances, and a world like that of Mass Effect would have destroyed most of any actual religions' dogmas. If there were to be any stablished cult (stablished enough to have a billion followers, for example), it'd have to be so very different from our actual ones.

On the other hand I do see minor sects thriving in numbers, specially since they are a way for people who feel alienated to find meaning, and differences between individuals and species are heavily emphasized in a world with like Mass Effect's.

[GmanFresh]

ResidentNoob wrote...

To me, Ashley revealing that she was Christian instantly sold her to me as a person; not a video game character; someone who could have real thoughts and feelings. She instantly became believeable because of it.
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she never said she was christian per se. from what i recall she was pretty vague.

[Revan312]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

To anwser your first question, I thought DA:O was a bit to preachy for my tastes, I'm glad Morrigan was there to balance it out.  It's not that I dislike learning about religion, but in DA:O so many characters praised the maker that it got tiresome at points, maybe I'm being overly critical though as that's what I imagine a "medieval" time period would most likely be like.  I also felt it was very Christian oriented for obvious reasons, the way the churches were modeled, the garb and the overall feel of "the maker"

As for ME, I think that Islamism would be the dominate religion simply because it's the fastest growing atm, hopefully by that point in the future however people will have moved past formalized religions even if they're still a believer in some super natural force.  In general I think it's been handled well in the Mass Effect Universe so far, which, is hardly at all. Minus Ashley it's never brought up which I liked.  There was no stance one way or another so I'd say that's how it should stay, just my two cents.

[Naltair]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

I liked the Chantry and the Maker, it played on much of what made the Church in the Middle Ages so powerful, feared, and corrupt.  I liked it.

[Chaos-fusion]

Cris Shepard wrote...

People can be spiritual and some people can be downright retarded, like the religious extremist's who blow people up for no reason or are brainwashed into believing one thing and thats the only possible answer.. I have no respect for anyone who tries to force their beliefs down my throat..

People can do exactly the same thing over sports events - it's not an inherent evil of religion.

[anexanhume]

Cris Shepard wrote...

Nope, religion has no part in this game for me.. I hear about it in the news enough, the point of playing a game is to escape reality.. Unfortunately religion is a reality in our little world, i'm sure you know my beliefs from that statement alone.. My Shepard will stay free minded, not believing in a false truth, only believing in what he sees right in front of him..

People can be spiritual and some people can be downright retarded, like the religious extremist's who blow people up for no reason or are brainwashed into believing one thing and thats the only possible answer.. I have no respect for anyone who tries to force their beliefs down my throat..

I suppose we should also leave out culture, because for me, hippies are stupid and annoying. I don't want them in my game. Also, I'd prefer not to have jocks in my game. I have to deal with them all the time, and hey, I'm trying to escape reality. I also think that the ME series should not discuss new technology because I hear all about that on the news all the time too.

If you don't see my point  yet, it's this: If you take away exploring same aspect of humanity/turianity/blastoicity from the game, you rob it of content that can engage you and challenge your opinions and emotions about the world and the people in it.

[Valmy]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

I thought it was great.  I did not feel like the religion in Dragon Age was either pro or anti religious it simply was a religion with all its flaws and good points and I was very interested in learning about it.  It definitely felt like a more interesting medieval-esque kingdom with a powerful church like that.

[StreetlightEagle]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

And to keep it on topic for the forum: What kind of religion system do you think would fit in well with the Mass Effect universe? What role would a modern-day Earth religion deity play for a space-faring, alien-meeting human?

And thank you all for keeping it mature and professional. I appreciate that.

Personally, though I usually like immersing my self into the lore of video games, I tried my best to avoid 'the maker'. I think this was due mainly to its close resemblance to modern day monotheistic religions but then again I didn't find the Dwarven ancestor stuff particularly interesting either. 

To be honest though, I am an atheist in real life and cringe when religion or 'god' is brought up in conversation so when people start to talk to me about it in games (notably Ashley in ME1) I instinctively switch off.  

But to answer the questions, I did find it preachy in Dragon Age but also very genuine in that respect so I like what the team did with it. Also, I think if a human religion was to exist in the ME universe it would have to be more deistic and less of a personal god like the Christians worship. 

Modifié par StreetlightEagle, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:15 .

[birdland 1115]

GmanFresh wrote...

ResidentNoob wrote...

To me, Ashley revealing that she was Christian instantly sold her to me as a person; not a video game character; someone who could have real thoughts and feelings. She instantly became believeable because of it.
.

she never said she was christian per se. from what i recall she was pretty vague.

If I recall correctly she just said that she believed in God and mentions prayer at one point. This could be any number of monotheistic relgions.

Modifié par birdland 1115, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:19 .

[SpectreNihlus]

concerning Christianity and mass effect universe



Christianity says absolutely nothing on aliens and the two are not mutually exclusive the more baseline christians such as catholics imo will not change too much however the more modern sects might try to change up some things and end up squashing themselves



would actually be very interesting to hear a news reel that the Pope would is planning a visit to the Citadel or something to that effect

[Pannamaslo]

I like religion(s) in game, due to simple fact - it adds realism. Religion contributes to many aspects of the world we are living in, so it is logical that it can be put into good use in ME universe, e.g. conflict of believes systems is inexhaustible source of moral dillemas.

I consider myself agnostic, but religion (any kind of it) does not bother me in movies or games, more so, it adds complexity. I don't belive that when/if we meet different sentinent species religion will simply die. It could definitely change in some way (maybe even it will become more extreme and important, it is known psychological mechanism that when threatened or traumatized people seek comfort in religion), but will be essetnial part of human culture. I hope we will see more of this topic in various games.

BTW DA:O had fantastic Dwarven religion. Very practical, which IMO fit very well to Dwarven temperament and stheir society personality. 

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:22 .

[tom.bleaker]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I very much liked those DAO handled religion, because the PC's opinion of it was left open, and we were free to criticise others' beliefs openly.

Mass Effect offered no such freedom. I wanted to throw Ashley off my ship.

Yeah, I agree. DAO handled religion nicely. It helped that in DAO you had party members who were critical or even scornful of the whole Chantry thing. I though Leilanna's idiosyncratic take on the Chantry's teaching was refreshing. It allowed me to see her as an individual and not "just another believer."  As such, I could disagree with her without disliking her.

ME1's take on religion wasn't as subtle. It was either reserved for codex entries, not mentioned, or brought up in conversation kinda awkwardly. Maybe it was the dialogue, maybe it was the voice acting, but Ashley struck me as too confrontational about her religion. It wasn't just mentioned in passing, she actually asks you if you have a problem with it. As it happens, I'm an atheist... not a jerk... I chose to tell her it was none of my business.  I was just "uncomfortable" that that she was so defensive about it and it made me less comfortable chatting with her. 

[Rafnul]

I'm a fairly religious person, as far as most people go (I went to Catholic seminary for a year). That being said, I am a fan of religious content in video games. I'm not a fan of modern Christianity being copy-pasted, however. That's completely unrealistic. Christianity has evolved immensely even just over the last century; when more technology comes along, things will change dramatically. Add in entire other planets of culture, and the results would be an extreme diverse group of people. There is nothing offensive to me about seeing a lead character commence a ritual praying to a fictitious God before an altar for success before going off to a mission where he/she faces almost certain death. That's powerful, human stuff.



The religions of the worlds in video games are rarely fleshed out to the point that they approach anything like believeable. As for people calling past games preachy, perhaps they ought to really think about that word means to them. Anything that involves characters making moral decisions (read: basically any decision that involves other human beings) can be considered preachy. However, I don't really think something qualifies as preachy unless it specifically prescribes a specific philosophy as a general solution; there is nothing preachy about talking about your religion. It would be different entirely if a video game character turned and looked at me, the player and said "You're going to Hell because you burned the ashes of Andraste." Instead, they just get really pissed off and try to kill my character. Much the same way people in real life would react.

[Valmy]

Xaeldaren wrote...

I thought the religion in Dragon Age was well done, but as an atheist, I did tend to pick any dialogue options that let me attack/mock it, just for fun, then I ignored it for the most part.

You know you are allowed to act differently in video games than you do in real life

[SpectreNihlus]

Rafnul wrote...

I'm a fairly religious person, as far as most people go (I went to Catholic seminary for a year). That being said, I am a fan of religious content in video games. I'm not a fan of modern Christianity being copy-pasted, however. That's completely unrealistic. Christianity has evolved immensely even just over the last century; when more technology comes along, things will change dramatically. Add in entire other planets of culture, and the results would be an extreme diverse group of people. There is nothing offensive to me about seeing a lead character commence a ritual praying to a fictitious God before an altar for success before going off to a mission where he/she faces almost certain death. That's powerful, human stuff.

The religions of the worlds in video games are rarely fleshed out to the point that they approach anything like believeable. As for people calling past games preachy, perhaps they ought to really think about that word means to them. Anything that involves characters making moral decisions (read: basically any decision that involves other human beings) can be considered preachy. However, I don't really think something qualifies as preachy unless it specifically prescribes a specific philosophy as a general solution; there is nothing preachy about talking about your religion. It would be different entirely if a video game character turned and looked at me, the player and said "You're going to Hell because you burned the ashes of Andraste." Instead, they just get really pissed off and try to kill my character. Much the same way people in real life would react.

Save your sermon this ain't no church

[Cris Shepard]

Valmy wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but how do players here feel about the way religion was handled in Dragon Age: Origins--a fictional monotheism which could very easily be compared to real-world religions?

It is interesting and engaging? Does it seem preachy or modeled too closely on a real-world religion? Did you even notice? Did you want to learn more about it?

I thought it was great.  I did not feel like the religion in Dragon Age was either pro or anti religious it simply was a religion with all its flaws and good points and I was very interested in learning about it.  It definitely felt like a more interesting medieval-esque kingdom with a powerful church like that.

I get your point.. Everyone see's this topic differently.. It's a touchy subject.. 

[Revan312]

SpectreNihlus wrote...

concerning Christianity and mass effect universe

Christianity says absolutely nothing on aliens and the two are not mutually exclusive the more baseline christians such as catholics imo will not change too much however the more modern sects might try to change up some things and end up squashing themselves

would actually be very interesting to hear a news reel that the Pope would is planning a visit to the Citadel or something to that effect

That's exactly how I think, the religions of the world (the major contenders at least) would be happy as that would mean more converts and more money for giant space churches/temples made of gold, or maybe paladium

Alien life would be seen as an opportunity to exploit, at the end of the day major religions are no different from corporations, it's all about the profit, religion just likes to guilt trip people for their money rather than gather it through traditional economic markets and exploitation.