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[cap and gown]

Anyone know if Liara was given such pitiful health stats to try to balance out her OP powers?

[RZIBARA]

No, it's to show how heroic she is!

Modifié par RZIBARA, 11 septembre 2013 - 11:36 .

[Jukaga]

cap and gown wrote...

Anyone know if Liara was given such pitiful health stats to try to balance out her OP powers?

Likely, she farts out singularities faster than a black hole cluster.

[Steelcan]

lol "Liara OP"

get yourself off the floor this time

[Ravensword]

How dare you talk about the creator's pet in such a manner.

[Wulfram]

It probably is about gameplay balance, but makes decent enough sense. She's not military trained or anything and Asari aren't particularly tough.

[SNascimento]

Liara's OP in ME3?

[cap and gown]

StreetMagic wrote...

How do you find out the raw stats?

I'm on Xbox btw.

When you pick her up on Mars just go to the squad screen (you are probably doing that anyway in order to level her) and look at her health and barrier numbers. Unless Sheppard has boosted those numbers through her own fitness stats (Sentinel) those are the base numbers until you start leveling her class power.

[DuskWanderer]

If it's about balance, it's not that effective, she dies rather easily on the higher difficulties. Not to mention her powers ain't that great either. About the only thing I found it useful on was Phantoms and they die just as quick to Kaidan or EDI on Overload

[KaiserShep]

I wouldn't say she's OP in terms of her powers, since a lot of ME3's enemies are much more resistant to some biotic attacks than they were in ME1. Hell, maxed out, lift can suspend Geth colossi in the air.

[cap and gown]

Does nobody here play a Sentinel? Singularity-throw, Singularity-throw, Singularity-throw. Boom, Boom, Boom. Warp-throw, Warp-throw, Warp-throw. Boom, Boom, Boom. Throw in Garrus for an occasional overload - Overload-Singularity-Throw.

Modifié par cap and gown, 12 septembre 2013 - 12:00 .

[cap and gown]

StreetMagic wrote...

Ah too late for me to bother with that. Just kind of curious if all Adepts are similar (Samara and Jack).

Not sure about Samara (can you even have her as a Squadie in ME3?) but Jack's stats are similar to everyone else in ME3. In ME2 Liara has the same initial stats as everyone else. Only in ME3 were they lowered significantly.

[Br3admax]

Ravensword wrote...

How dare you talk about the creator's pet in such a manner.

Exactly. 

[Abraham_uk]

cap and gown wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Ah too late for me to bother with that. Just kind of curious if all Adepts are similar (Samara and Jack).

Not sure about Samara (can you even have her as a Squadie in ME3?) but Jack's stats are similar to everyone else in ME3. In ME2 Liara has the same initial stats as everyone else. Only in ME3 were they lowered significantly.

In Citadel DLC, there is a mini game arena, where you can bring back past squadmates.

[Kataphrut94]

It's the classic RPG archetypes. You have your high-health, low versatility tanks (James, Grunt), your squishy wizards (Liara, Tali, Mordin), and your jacks-of-all-trades (Garrus, Kaidan, Miranda). Liara has a strong power-focus, so she has low defensive abilities to make up for it.

It usually comes up well in the visual design of the characters; Liara & Mordin look fragile, while James & the krogan look tough. The only exceptions I can think of are EDI, who's sturdier than she looks, and Javik, who's squishier than he looks.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah Javik goes down fairly easily, even on normal. I usually take him on the Mesana: Distress Signal mission, and he's often the first to go down by a banshee.

[Dieb]

I'd say anyone as convinced any of the squadmates is overpowered, may need to rethink his/her strategy.

If you tell your squad what to do, employ exotic strategies such as covering fire and anticipate AoE damage, it's actually rather hard to get them killed. Say about BioWare as developers what you like, but from ME2 on, the party balancing was really well done.

Also something-something stupid Liara. Of course.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:46 .

[Zazzerka]

Baelrahn wrote...

Also something-something stupid Liara. Of course.

Thanks for following protocol.

[Farangbaa]

cap and gown wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Ah too late for me to bother with that. Just kind of curious if all Adepts are similar (Samara and Jack).

Not sure about Samara (can you even have her as a Squadie in ME3?) but Jack's stats are similar to everyone else in ME3. In ME2 Liara has the same initial stats as everyone else. Only in ME3 were they lowered significantly.

Because in ME3 Liara has, if leveled correctly, a 2,5 second cooldown singularity.

And because most enemies, even on insanity, are unshielded and unarmoured, that is ridiculously OP. It's the reason why I never even bothered to level singularity on my adept.

Then again, I'm fairly certain the entire game could be beat on insanity with only 1 sqadmate with overload and you being an adept yourself.

Overload + Throw
Pull + Throw
Warp + Throw

is everything you need. ME3 is waaaay too easy in my book. The combat system is fantastic though, just way too goddamn easy.

If you add in that bonus power you get from Aria, you don't even need a damn squadmate.

And you don't need squadmates at all if you play as a Vanguard.

Modifié par Psychevore, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:53 .

[KaiserShep]

Yeah flare pretty much turns Shepard into a full on biotic artillery unit by him/herself, and as I use Vanguard, it was easy to strike them with that, and then charge in and finish them off with some Nova spam. The fact that it seeks targets behind cover and incinerates everything within a considerable range made it pretty awesome to have during the first CAT6 merc combat sequence of the Citadel DLC. I barely used the suppressor.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 septembre 2013 - 09:07 .

[cap and gown]

Psychevore wrote...

Because in ME3 Liara has, if leveled correctly, a 2,5 second cooldown singularity.

And because most enemies, even on insanity, are unshielded and unarmoured, that is ridiculously OP. It's the reason why I never even bothered to level singularity on my adept.

Actually, I can't even bring myself to play an adept because of Liara. Her singularity is better than Sheppards: you get insta-cast (as long as you don't have her in your LOS), you get insta-hit, and her cool-down is phenomenal. Playing an adept in ME2 was fun, but in ME3 it seems superfluous. Just play a Sentinel and bring Liara.

[Farangbaa]

cap and gown wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

Because in ME3 Liara has, if leveled correctly, a 2,5 second cooldown singularity.

And because most enemies, even on insanity, are unshielded and unarmoured, that is ridiculously OP. It's the reason why I never even bothered to level singularity on my adept.

Actually, I can't even bring myself to play an adept because of Liara. Her singularity is better than Sheppards: you get insta-cast (as long as you don't have her in your LOS), you get insta-hit, and her cool-down is phenomenal. Playing an adept in ME2 was fun, but in ME3 it seems superfluous. Just play a Sentinel and bring Liara.

Shepards own cooldown for singularity, if playing with +200% cooldown bonus because of weapon load, and getting all cooldown reductions for class skill etc (getting the second cooldown reduction of the singularity itself isn't even necessary) is even lower though. 

I'm not sure, I'd need to check, but I think every skill except Flare has a cooldown below 2 seconds for Shepard if leveled correctly (correctly if low cooldown is your goal, of course).

You don't even need the skill that gets you 40% cooldown reduction after detonating a combo, that's how fast Shepard's own cooldowns are. 

Her singularity is still better though, I wholeheartedly agree, because of the insta-hit.

But EVERYTHING pales to the ease they call Vanguard, if again you focus on cooldown reduction. Everything except Vanguard + Liara as Squadmate, ofcourse. That's even easier 

Modifié par Psychevore, 12 septembre 2013 - 12:37 .