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[Han Shot First]

Br3ad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

She is by far the biggest damage dealer of your squaddies if used correctly however.

No. 

Yes.

If that's not the case for you, you're not using her correctly.

Or you prefer not to give orders and allow the squadmates to operate independently, which is a valid playstyle. You just don't get the best out of any squadmate.

[Br3admax]

Han Shot First wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

She is by far the biggest damage dealer of your squaddies if used correctly however.

No. 

Yes.

If that's not the case for you, you're not using her correctly.

Or you prefer not to give orders and allow the squadmates to operate independently, which is a valid playstyle. You just don't get the best out of any squadmate.

You're idea that Liara has the most damage dealing potential is just you liking Liara. Plan and simple. The only thing Liara is good for is setting up biotic explosions. All the rest of her uses are trivial at best. 

[rashie]

Han Shot First wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

She is by far the biggest damage dealer of your squaddies if used correctly however.

No. 

Yes.

If that's not the case for you, you're not using her correctly.

Or you prefer not to give orders and allow the squadmates to operate independently, which is a valid playstyle. You just don't get the best out of any squadmate.

Liara has great synergy for biotic explosions and CC'ing enemies but she is not a heavy hitter on her own as that is pretty much limited to weapon damage. If you are referring to setting up biotic explosions and triggering them with warp/throw its actually shepard doing the damage.

Modifié par rashie, 12 septembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[Han Shot First]

Br3ad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

She is by far the biggest damage dealer of your squaddies if used correctly however.

No. 

Yes.

If that's not the case for you, you're not using her correctly.

Or you prefer not to give orders and allow the squadmates to operate independently, which is a valid playstyle. You just don't get the best out of any squadmate.

You're idea that Liara has the most damage dealing potential is just you liking Liara. Plan and simple. The only thing Liara is good for is setting up biotic explosions. All the rest of her uses are trivial at best. 

Nope.

Whether or not I like a character has nothing to do with whether or not I think that character is good during gameplay portions. My favorite character in DA:O was Sten, but there are better warriors them him on the squad.

Liara with singularity + warp + stasis + the Blood pack submachine gun = instant win.

She is easily kills more enemies than any other squadmate with the exception of Javik. I would rank those two as about tied for being the top tier gameplay wise. Those two on a squad together is like playing on god mode.

are referring to setting up biotic explosions and triggering them with warp/throw its actually shepard doing the damage.

Sure, if Shepard is a biotic. And you have Liara singularity and Shepard warp.

My Shep was a soldier however so I'd use Liara to singularity and warp (the cooldown is so fast as to be a non factor) for biotic explosions, unless Javik was in the squad. That's if the enemies trapped in the singularity were still around by the time I had Shepard deal with other enemies. A lot of times she'll finish off the floaters with the submachine gun before then.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 septembre 2013 - 06:47 .

[Br3admax]

Han Shot First wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

She is by far the biggest damage dealer of your squaddies if used correctly however.

No. 

Yes.

If that's not the case for you, you're not using her correctly.

Or you prefer not to give orders and allow the squadmates to operate independently, which is a valid playstyle. You just don't get the best out of any squadmate.

You're idea that Liara has the most damage dealing potential is just you liking Liara. Plan and simple. The only thing Liara is good for is setting up biotic explosions. All the rest of her uses are trivial at best. 

Nope.

Whether or not I like a character has nothing to do with whether or not I think that character is good during gameplay portions. My favorite character in DA:O was Sten, but there are better warriors them him on the squad.

Liara with singularity + warp + stasis + the Blood pack submachine gun = instant win.

She is easily kills more enemies than any other squadmate with the exception of Javik. I would rank those two as about tied for being the top tier gameplay wise. Those two on a squad together is like playing on god mode.

Lol this post is hilarious. First of all, you put a really well developed gun in. This is about Liara, not the guns you give her. Liara on her own, with say a Shuriken, would get her ass kicked. If it takes you three moves to do what everyone else can do in two, what is your point? Garrus and Ashley can deal out tons of damage with weapons alone, which far outstripes Liara's cool down on biotic explosions.  Liara has terrible weapon damgage. One offensive power, and biotic explosions. That is all she has.

Modifié par Br3ad, 12 septembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[Barquiel]

Br3ad wrote...

Liara on her own, with say a Shuriken, would get her ass kicked.

Yes, I am sure Garrus and Ashley can deal out tons of damage with an Avenger...

[Br3admax]

Barquiel wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Liara on her own, with say a Shuriken, would get her ass kicked.

Yes, I am sure Garrus and Ashley can deal out tons of damage with an Avenger...

Many times more than what Liara can with a Shuriken. Many times more. 

[Sir DeLoria]

StreetMagic wrote...

Liara is a controller and meant to make everyone kill things better (especially those with good guns).

Yes, but she's not a heavy hitter. 

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Liara is a controller and meant to make everyone kill things better (especially those with good guns).

Yes, but she's not a heavy hitter. 

This

I didn't say that Liara isn't a good team mate. Hell, she may even be the best, probably not, but that doesn't make her the biggest damge dealer. Far from it. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 12 septembre 2013 - 06:57 .

[Han Shot First]

Br3ad wrote...

Lol this post is hilarious. First of all, you put a really well developed gun in. This is about Liara, not the guns you give her. Liara on her own, with say a Shuriken, would get her ass kicked. 

That has to be one of the stupidest comments ever posted on the BSN. Congrats.

Who runs through an entire game with their squadmates equipped with the weakest weapons? Since when has gear never mattered in an RPG?

Br3ad wrote...

If it takes you three moves to do what everyone else can do in two, what is your point? Garrus and Ashley can deal out tons of damage with weapons alone, which far outstripes Liara's cool down on biotic explosions.  Liara has terrible weapon damgage. One offensive power, and biotic explosions. That is all she has.

Biotic explosions deal damage. The cooldown is so quick that Liara spamming singularity and warp often drops enemies faster than Garrus and Ashley can, and Liara also potentially has statis or stasis bubble in her toolset, depending on the spec.

The tradeoff however is being squishy, which means you have to prevent her from doing a Leroy Jenkins.

If you think the character isn't one of the best characters gameplay wise, either you don't use the tactical wheel much, or you need to L2P.

Now if you are just talking about weapon damage, obviously Liara is far from being the biggest damage dealer. But every character deals damage from a combination of weapons and abilities. On balance if used right along with Javik, Liara is one of your biggest damage dealers. Of course that also depends on the spec. If you have her be more focused on singularity and stasis, and use your Shep to detonate singularities with warp for example, then is she near entirely CC.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 septembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[Br3admax]

Or you need to L2P with everyone else.

[Ledgend1221]

Squaddies with Typhoons are better then Liara.

[Han Shot First]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't think it matters anyways. The combat is designed in a fun way, but only a fresh noob would actually suck at this game. It's very easy (and I don't mean that in some e-peen way).

I do agree with this, and I think Bioware did a decent job of making all the squadmates viable. There were none that I thought, "Wow, this squadmate is broken and I can't use them at all in gameplay."

You can also get away with going for an all soldier combo, or all biotic, or all tech, or mix it up, and all are equally viable. I thought that was an improvement over ME1 where you pretty much forced to always have a biotic and a tech on the squad if Shepard had neither of those bases covered.

[TheMyron]

Liara died during the Battle for Thessia; I saw a Banshee lift her up and penetrate her.

[TheMyron]

Liara died during the Battle for Thessia; I saw a Banshee lift her up and penetrate her.

EDIT: stupid lag made me hit submit twice.

Modifié par TheMyron, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:01 .

[KaiserShep]

TheMyron wrote...

Liara died during the Battle for Thessia; I saw a Banshee lift her up and penetrate her.

What? Shepard needs to lay off the ryncol. Shenanigans, I say.

[Sir DeLoria]

TheMyron wrote...

Liara died during the Battle for Thessia; I saw a Banshee lift her up and penetrate her.

That sounds dirty.

[DuskWanderer]

Liara is far from being a high damage dealer, even with biotic explosions. You get the same thing from Javik or Kaidan, with the added ability of being able to damage things without protection. Singularity won't lift an enemy otherwise.

She's good at one thing, and one thing only: Priming explosions, which is not only handled by both Javik and Kaidan, but neither of them die (particularly against rachni) like she does. She isn't top-tier, and especially not on the higher difficulties.

[RZIBARA]

Ashley, Garrus, Javik, and James are the best squaddies

[SNascimento]

I never "studied" ME3 combat as I did with ME2, so I can't say much. It was balanced differently, and I felt squadmates were more equal to each other, as opposed to ME2 that some were much better than others.

All have bonus to all squad, they have more powers, the combat is faster... overall, I never felt Liara was overpowered. It's just that combat is more visceral in the third game. My Vanguard + Liara and Javik was 1 biotic explosion per second. Sometimes I finished confrontations with just that.