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[cap and gown]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Liara is far from being a high damage dealer, even with biotic explosions. You get the same thing from Javik or Kaidan, with the added ability of being able to damage things without protection. Singularity won't lift an enemy otherwise.

She's good at one thing, and one thing only: Priming explosions, which is not only handled by both Javik and Kaidan, but neither of them die (particularly against rachni) like she does. She isn't top-tier, and especially not on the higher difficulties.

It is true that you need a defense stripper to get Liara into top form (just like you needed a defense stripper to get Jack to work in ME2). But as far as priming goes, Liara is the best primer out there. Her cool down is something on the order of 3x faster than Kaiden's reave cool down. And I have had problems with Javik's pull. (I never did like pull to begin with.) Often the enemy just bumps into cover where I can't get at it with a throw or warp. Liara's Singularity dangles them in the open air where they are harder to miss than to hit. Against Cerberus I usually use a Garrus/Liara team. Garrus can strip shields and then Liara lifts them.

She has worked really well for me against Cerberus where there are a ton of assault troopers ripe for combos and only Atlases have armor. Against Reapers she doesn't work as well. Some Ravager or Harvester always seems to blow her away. She just doesn't do well against artillery. So for Reapers, if I am looking for biotic combos I prefer either Javik or Kaiden.

[Kataphrut94]

It's kind of unfortunate that Javik's power-set is almost entirely based around priming biotic explosions, but Liara still manages to be better at it than him. I mean, Dark Channel should have been the mother of all priming moves, but it still doesn't compare to the faster, wider-reaching Singularity. The fact that he loves to bum-rush enemies and promptly get slaughtered doesn't help; it feels like Javik was meant to be a shotgun character.

I can't really comment because I always preferred tech-explosions. I play an Engineer, so they were my bread and butter. The problem with those is that characters who are good at setting up & detonating combos with me, such as Garrus, James or EDI, tend to have slow recharge times. The upside is that whenever they do have a Concussive Shot/Overload/Carnage/Incinerate available, whatever I detonate with it usually dies spectacularly.

[themikefest]

Why is T'soni's health so low. Maybe she was meant to be paper pusher instead of a squadmate and Bioware forgot to give her more health. Anyways I don't give a flying crap about her health.

Try a playthrough without adding any points to her powers, or any other squadmate and you will see how useless she really is.

Her singularity might be cool, but while she is recharging, I( being the bad guy/girl) would put a hole in her head.

She also has a bad habit of leaving cover when I stick her behind cover. Now I'm all for the "spirit of wanting to kill the enemy" thing but she ends up dead all the time. Doesn't the bloody thing obey orders? A ravager "kills" her with one shot. A husk smacks her 3 times and she is "dead".

[Kataphrut94]

^Yeah, no axes to grind at all, right? Why are we not leveling up the characters in our RPG again?

[KaiserShep]

This is why we should be able to better armor our squads like in ME1.

[DuskWanderer]

cap and gown wrote...

It is true that you need a defense stripper to get Liara into top form (just like you needed a defense stripper to get Jack to work in ME2). But as far as priming goes, Liara is the best primer out there. Her cool down is something on the order of 3x faster than Kaiden's reave cool down. And I have had problems with Javik's pull. (I never did like pull to begin with.) Often the enemy just bumps into cover where I can't get at it with a throw or warp. Liara's Singularity dangles them in the open air where they are harder to miss than to hit. Against Cerberus I usually use a Garrus/Liara team. Garrus can strip shields and then Liara lifts them.

She has worked really well for me against Cerberus where there are a ton of assault troopers ripe for combos and only Atlases have armor. Against Reapers she doesn't work as well. Some Ravager or Harvester always seems to blow her away. She just doesn't do well against artillery. So for Reapers, if I am looking for biotic combos I prefer either Javik or Kaiden.

Dangling enemies with Singularity never really held much appeal to me, I'd rather just kill them. A fully charged Reave will eat most enemies, and since I can area spam it, I can spam Double Throw or some other ability and wipe my enemies out. True that Kaidan's recharge times aren't at the level of Liara's, but when I'm wiping through enemies fast enough, by the time I've reached the next enemy squad, I've got another one ready to go. 

Plus, I've only found it good on one thing, and that's groups of Cannibals. Then I'm getting Marauders and Ravagers, and all Liara seems to do against them is suck and die. 

Against Cerberus, yeah, she's better, but she's still not that great. The most dangerous thing about Cerberus are those damn Turrets and the Engineers, and an Overload from Kaidan or EDI is what's needed for them. Liara's Singularity would do next to nothing. And against geth, since almost all of them have shields...yeah. 

Liara ain't a great squaddie, even without the low health. All the low health does is make her worse on the higher difficulties. 

[DuskWanderer]

RZIBARA wrote...

Ashley, Garrus, Javik, and James are the best squaddies

I find Kaidan's infinitely better gameplay-wise than Ashley: Garrus trumps her in weapon damage and she doesn't have anything else other than Disruptor Ammo. 

I'd say it goes Kaidan/Garrus/EDI at top rank, Tali, Ashley, and James behind, and Liara in dead last. Javik's a special case: If you have another biotic, he's awesome, if you don't, he's crap. Makes him really hard to judge on his own merits. 

[Barquiel]

If I don't add any points to Liara's powers (and equip her with a Shuriken) she's not exactly the most efficiant squadmate? I'm really shocked!

Anyway, she's the most used squadmate in the game...she can't be that bad.

[Br3admax]

DuskWanderer wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Ashley, Garrus, Javik, and James are the best squaddies

I find Kaidan's infinitely better gameplay-wise than Ashley: Garrus trumps her in weapon damage and she doesn't have anything else other than Disruptor Ammo. 

I'd say it goes Kaidan/Garrus/EDI at top rank, Tali, Ashley, and James behind, and Liara in dead last. Javik's a special case: If you have another biotic, he's awesome, if you don't, he's crap. Makes him really hard to judge on his own merits. 

No. This post is bad and it should feel bad. Tali's dead last in anything, honestly. Outside of Rannoch, she has no use. Liara is much better than EDI, and James. You're really just being insulting now. 

[DuskWanderer]

Br3ad wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Ashley, Garrus, Javik, and James are the best squaddies

I find Kaidan's infinitely better gameplay-wise than Ashley: Garrus trumps her in weapon damage and she doesn't have anything else other than Disruptor Ammo. 

I'd say it goes Kaidan/Garrus/EDI at top rank, Tali, Ashley, and James behind, and Liara in dead last. Javik's a special case: If you have another biotic, he's awesome, if you don't, he's crap. Makes him really hard to judge on his own merits. 

No. This post is bad and it should feel bad. Tali's dead last in anything, honestly. Outside of Rannoch, she has no use. Liara is much better than EDI, and James. You're really just being insulting now. 

Someone who can hit all enemy protections in one package, and someone who can knock down Phantoms, even on Insanity with their barriers up, is a lot better than someone I have to constantly revive. If you wish to contradict me, please supply facts and not your whining. Thanks. 

[KaiserShep]

Kaidan with a maxed out N7 Valkyrie is pretty formidable. Liara and Javik or Liara and Garrus always seems to work pretty well for me. I usually take Liara on the Cronos mission, and she's usually good about trapping the unprotected troopers while I chase Kai Leng and kill the phantoms.

[Br3admax]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Ashley, Garrus, Javik, and James are the best squaddies

I find Kaidan's infinitely better gameplay-wise than Ashley: Garrus trumps her in weapon damage and she doesn't have anything else other than Disruptor Ammo. 

I'd say it goes Kaidan/Garrus/EDI at top rank, Tali, Ashley, and James behind, and Liara in dead last. Javik's a special case: If you have another biotic, he's awesome, if you don't, he's crap. Makes him really hard to judge on his own merits. 

No. This post is bad and it should feel bad. Tali's dead last in anything, honestly. Outside of Rannoch, she has no use. Liara is much better than EDI, and James. You're really just being insulting now. 

Someone who can hit all enemy protections in one package, and someone who can knock down Phantoms, even on Insanity with their barriers up, is a lot better than someone I have to constantly revive. If you wish to contradict me, please supply facts and not your whining. Thanks. 

Tali has almost as little health as Liara. And pretty much anybody can kill phantoms. As long as you distract them, the phantoms are no problem for the squadies. 

[DuskWanderer]

Br3ad wrote...
Tali has almost as little health as Liara. And pretty much anybody can kill phantoms. As long as you distract them, the phantoms are no problem for the squadies. 

I believe knocking them down counts as a "distraction" wouldn't you say?  Further, with so many shielded enemies, and Tali's Energy Drain, she can keep her shields primed. For Liara...not so much. 

[cap and gown]

KaiserShep wrote...

Kaidan with a maxed out N7 Valkyrie is pretty formidable. Liara and Javik or Liara and Garrus always seems to work pretty well for me. I usually take Liara on the Cronos mission, and she's usually good about trapping the unprotected troopers while I chase Kai Leng and kill the phantoms.

Have you watched your squadies use the Valkyrie? I thought it would be good too. Then I watched Vega use it and was sorely disappointed. Their AI basically has them pop out of cover, pull the trigger once, and duck back down. The Typhoon is the best, although I bet many (including myself) would consider it game breaking. Otherwise, the Revanant works well: they lay down alot more fire with that than they will with the Valkyrie.

[KaiserShep]

I usually give James the Typhoon. I'm happy with the results. I never give anyone but Kaidan the Valkyrie. I try to keep the weapons unique to the squad members. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 septembre 2013 - 11:11 .

[TheMyron]

Br3ad wrote...

Tali has almost as little health as Liara. And pretty much anybody can kill phantoms. As long as you distract them, the phantoms are no problem for the squadies. 

Good ol' Garrus died retaking the Citadel, he was run through by a phantom... twice.

[KaiserShep]

I usually killed the phantoms before they had a chance to get to the squad. The ones in the elevator shaft usually get a nice dose of flare.

[DuskWanderer]

I find the best ways to get rid of Phantoms are either to Overload and stun them (enough time to kill them), or blast them to the ground with Carnage and finish them.

Stasis gives us a nifty way on Priority: Citadel II. If you're quick enough, you can use Stasis on them while they are jumping from one platform to another (freezing them in jump) When it wears off, they fall to their deaths. Situational, but damn funny

[in it for the lolz]

I used to get the giggles when that Blue Xenos charged at one of those Cerberus mechs, and the Blue Xenos would get pwned.

[Br3admax]

TheMyron wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Tali has almost as little health as Liara. And pretty much anybody can kill phantoms. As long as you distract them, the phantoms are no problem for the squadies. 

Good ol' Garrus died retaking the Citadel, he was run through by a phantom... twice.

L2P, m8.

[TheMyron]

KaiserShep wrote...

I usually killed the phantoms before they had a chance to get to the squad. The ones in the elevator shaft usually get a nice dose of flare.

I sent Garrus ahead alone to see if he could handle it, got run through, revived him, and he got run through again by the same phantom.

[KaiserShep]

I gave him a maxed out chakram launcher with cryo, which works pretty well for him.

[KaiserShep]

Woops dp

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:31 .

[The Night Mammoth]

KaiserShep wrote...

Woops dp

Dp? Dp is never a mistake.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:37 .