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[KaiserShep]

Double post.

[KaiserShep]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Stasis gives us a nifty way on Priority: Citadel II. If you're quick enough, you can use Stasis on them while they are jumping from one platform to another (freezing them in jump) When it wears off, they fall to their deaths. Situational, but damn funny

That's hilarious. I'll try to make that happen with my adept. 

[Mr.House]

themikefest wrote...

Why is T'soni's health so low. Maybe she was meant to be paper pusher instead of a squadmate and Bioware forgot to give her more health. Anyways I don't give a flying crap about her health.

Try a playthrough without adding any points to her powers, or any other squadmate and you will see how useless she really is.

Her singularity might be cool, but while she is recharging, I( being the bad guy/girl) would put a hole in her head.

She also has a bad habit of leaving cover when I stick her behind cover. Now I'm all for the "spirit of wanting to kill the enemy" thing but she ends up dead all the time. Doesn't the bloody thing obey orders? A ravager "kills" her with one shot. A husk smacks her 3 times and she is "dead".

She's a CASTEER, a caster always relies on their powers. As for cover, that sounds your issue because Liara always stands in the cover I tell her to go too.

Her health is also low because again, she is a aster. A casters health is alwayst he lowest.

[The Night Mammoth]

Mr.House wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Why is T'soni's health so low. Maybe she was meant to be paper pusher instead of a squadmate and Bioware forgot to give her more health. Anyways I don't give a flying crap about her health.

Try a playthrough without adding any points to her powers, or any other squadmate and you will see how useless she really is.

Her singularity might be cool, but while she is recharging, I( being the bad guy/girl) would put a hole in her head.

She also has a bad habit of leaving cover when I stick her behind cover. Now I'm all for the "spirit of wanting to kill the enemy" thing but she ends up dead all the time. Doesn't the bloody thing obey orders? A ravager "kills" her with one shot. A husk smacks her 3 times and she is "dead".

She's a CASTEER, a caster always relies on their powers. As for cover, that sounds your issue because Liara always stands in the cover I tell her to go too.

Her health is also low because again, she is a aster. A casters health is alwayst he lowest.

Look who you're talking to here. It wouldn't matter if Liara was Ashley with biotics.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Why is T'soni's health so low. Maybe she was meant to be paper pusher instead of a squadmate and Bioware forgot to give her more health. Anyways I don't give a flying crap about her health.

Try a playthrough without adding any points to her powers, or any other squadmate and you will see how useless she really is.

Her singularity might be cool, but while she is recharging, I( being the bad guy/girl) would put a hole in her head.

She also has a bad habit of leaving cover when I stick her behind cover. Now I'm all for the "spirit of wanting to kill the enemy" thing but she ends up dead all the time. Doesn't the bloody thing obey orders? A ravager "kills" her with one shot. A husk smacks her 3 times and she is "dead".

She's a CASTEER, a caster always relies on their powers. As for cover, that sounds your issue because Liara always stands in the cover I tell her to go too.

Her health is also low because again, she is a aster. A casters health is alwayst he lowest.

Look who you're talking to here. It wouldn't matter if Liara was Ashley with biotics.

srsly, Mikefest is akin to me on Liara fanboyism

[capn233]

Liara has lowish health because she has one of the best skillsets in the game, which is also one of the most versatile.

This was especially true at release, before they allowed Fire and Cryo Explosions to be detonated without killing the target, which was a huge buff to Tech.

[rashie]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Ashley, Garrus, Javik, and James are the best squaddies

I find Kaidan's infinitely better gameplay-wise than Ashley: Garrus trumps her in weapon damage and she doesn't have anything else other than Disruptor Ammo. 

I'd say it goes Kaidan/Garrus/EDI at top rank, Tali, Ashley, and James behind, and Liara in dead last. Javik's a special case: If you have another biotic, he's awesome, if you don't, he's crap. Makes him really hard to judge on his own merits. 

No. This post is bad and it should feel bad. Tali's dead last in anything, honestly. Outside of Rannoch, she has no use. Liara is much better than EDI, and James. You're really just being insulting now. 

Someone who can hit all enemy protections in one package, and someone who can knock down Phantoms, even on Insanity with their barriers up, is a lot better than someone I have to constantly revive. If you wish to contradict me, please supply facts and not your whining. Thanks. 

Funny you mention Phantoms on insanity when you say Liara is bad, you should try using her Stasis on them in combination with a biotic ability from Shepard.

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...
Ashley, Garrus, Javik, and James are the best squaddies

I find Kaidan's infinitely better gameplay-wise than Ashley: Garrus trumps her in weapon damage and she doesn't have anything else other than Disruptor Ammo. 

I'd say it goes Kaidan/Garrus/EDI at top rank, Tali, Ashley, and James behind, and Liara in dead last. Javik's a special case: If you have another biotic, he's awesome, if you don't, he's crap. Makes him really hard to judge on his own merits. 

No. This post is bad and it should feel bad. Tali's dead last in anything, honestly. Outside of Rannoch, she has no use. Liara is much better than EDI, and James. You're really just being insulting now. 

What? No. Tali's made the life of my all too fragile Infiltrator a lot easier. Shield Drain is one of the most useful tech powers in SP. Her drones are great for distraction too. She made the IGN list of most useful squadmates on 4th place.

[Br3admax]

Saying the most useful tech power isn't saying much. Her drones also are only effective if you are standing right next to her, which quite frankly, no one does, except for maybe you. Also, fourth place is eh, if you are talking about ME3. There were much more synthetics in ME and ME2, so if it includes that the data is skewed for my statement of her usefulness in ME3.

[Dieb]

Are we arguing about who complements best to his own playing style with which squadmate?

Again, Liara may have low health technically, but when ordered properly, she's biotic artillery. If not, she's not. Ashley may do the same weapon damage than Garrus, but can take twice the punch, has marksman-berserking, and can detonate her own combos with IG+CS every eight seconds. Kaidan is the swiss army knife of companions. Tali is a crowd controller, which will work regardless whether the enemy is synthetic or not - turning enemies instead of just disabling their weapons (which most people seem to ignore) is more of a luxury than something that's missing otherwise. Javik mows down whole groups of enemies when using dark channel, his Particle Rifle and of course being ordered to attack - which is about the basics of the basics.

etc.

In short, I'm taking a swing here for all of them, because like I said, the balancing is great and the differences are there to provide different choices for different types of players. And I don't mean to tell anyone how to play, but to merely make my point.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 13 septembre 2013 - 06:14 .

[valium]

in my opinion, and this is just an opinion so don't get your panties in a knot, but I found liara to be the most useful squad member for most of the game.

singularity is just great, and even better if you micro-manage it. stasis made phantoms a breeze.

garrus was the most useful late game, I gave him the additional sniper rifle damage evo and a javelin V and things died from something other than myself. plus, him and miranda made the mirror match on insanity ezpz while I was dealing with being zerg rushed with stunlocking clones.

[TheMyron]

KaiserShep wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Liara died during the Battle for Thessia; I saw a Banshee lift her up and penetrate her.

What? Shepard needs to lay off the ryncol. Shenanigans, I say.

Myron Shepard I saw it with me own eyes; Liara was ordered to go up to the Banshee alone; she released all the Singularities she could, and fired as much of her submachine gun as she could but alas, it was not enough to stop the Banshee from doing her thing.

[DuskWanderer]

[quote]rashie wrote...

[/quote]Funny you mention Phantoms on insanity when you say Liara is bad, you should try using her Stasis on them in combination with a biotic ability from Shepard.
[/quote]

That's hard to do when she's constantly downed, not to mention requires Shepard to be a biotic. I'd rather do the simplest thing and just knock them down and kill them with James, or Overload them with EDI, Kaidan, or Garrus.

All of them, including Stasis, require gunfire to finish them off, but not only is damage dealt, but I can count on those squaddies to be up to deliver the attack

[spockjedi]

Strangely, Liara has less health than the ultra-sensitive quarian squad member.
Maybe that's why Grunt said "Asari ... all soft. Quarians, not so much."

[Remix-General Aetius]

Liara's low hit points are only an issue if she's in your squad. she's never in mine and I've never complained about her hit points ))

[Sir DeLoria]

spockjedi wrote...

Strangely, Liara has less health than the ultra-sensitive quarian squad member.
Maybe that's why Grunt said "Asari ... all soft. Quarians, not so much."

It's the suit. That and the large amount of implants and augmentations. Most of the time in ME3, Liara doesn't even wear proper armor.

I never understood why the ultra-tough Garrus has less health than Tali though.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

Strangely, Liara has less health than the ultra-sensitive quarian squad member.
Maybe that's why Grunt said "Asari ... all soft. Quarians, not so much."

It's the suit. That and the large amount of implants and augmentations. Most of the time in ME3, Liara doesn't even wear proper armor.

I never understood why the ultra-tough Garrus has less health than Tali though.

He doesn't. As I said, Tali is second only to Liara in having the least amount of health. 

[Mr_Raider]

Baelrahn wrote...
 Javik mows down whole groups of enemies when using dark channel, his Particle Rifle and of course being ordered to attack - which is about the basics of the basics.

why the particle rifle? I just give him the best assult rifle at hand, which is usually the revenant after citadel II.

[General TSAR]

cap and gown wrote...


Apparently you don't have Omega.

In my game, Aria spent more time lying on her back through Omega than killing Cerberus units and those freakazoids they created.

Modifié par General TSAR, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:25 .

[rashie]

DuskWanderer wrote...

That's hard to do when she's constantly downed, not to mention requires Shepard to be a biotic. I'd rather do the simplest thing and just knock them down and kill them with James, or Overload them with EDI, Kaidan, or Garrus.

All of them, including Stasis, require gunfire to finish them off, but not only is damage dealt, but I can count on those squaddies to be up to deliver the attack

If she is downed so often it becomes appropiate to use the term constantly you are probably doing something wrong with either your squad positioning micromanaging or talent setup, she might be more squishy then other squad mates but its not that bad.

If you talent properly its actually possible to detonate her combos with her own warp as well but there are better squad mates if you dont have acess to either warp or throw.

If you want your squad mates to be able to deal that last bit of damage to them as well instead of you doing it, i guess that's just a different playstyle since both work well.

Modifié par rashie, 13 septembre 2013 - 02:28 .

[DuskWanderer]

rashie wrote...

If she is downed so often it becomes appropiate to use the term constantly you are probably doing something wrong with either your squad positioning micromanaging or talent setup, she might be more squishy then other squad mates but its not that bad. 

If you talent properly its actually possible to detonate her combos with her own warp as well but there are better squad mates if you dont have acess to either warp or throw.

If you want your squad mates to be able to deal that last bit of damage to them as well instead of you doing it, i guess that's just a different playstyle since both work well.

I never had that problem with any other character in the game. Tali died a few times on Rannoch, EDI isn't great against rachni, but Liara the rachni so much as look at her, and she dies. A turret so much as looks as her, and she dies I order her to cover, she still dies. Naturally, her Singularity and Stasis don't work on them.

I'm fully aware of her potential, but she can't reach it if she's downed. Liara has about half the health of Tali, and no way to replenish her shields as Tali does. That fragility really bites her in the ass.

Compare to Javik, who died in my insanity playthrough a total of once (Banshee) or Kaidan, who didn't die at all (except that time I shot the Cain and he got caught in the blast.)

[cap and gown]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Compare to . . . Kaidan, who didn't die at all (except that time I shot the Cain and he got caught in the blast.)

I have a question about that: On Priority: Earth, right after you take out the AAA gun with the Cain and the Banshee shows up, I used the Cain on her. Then I looked over and one of my squadies (might have been Liara) was standing stock still, arms to her side like a manequin. Have you seen that? Is that what happens when they get caught in the Cain blast? (instead of falling down.)

[capn233]

You can kill teammates with heavy weapons, but they should die as normal. That's just a death glitch that you must have gotten, which sometimes occurs when they are in the middle of an animation.

[themikefest]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Look who you're talking to here. It wouldn't matter if Liara was Ashley with biotics.

That would be interesting having Ashley as a biotic.

I actually like Ashley mostly because she is very reliable in combat and she is a soldier(which I was a very long time ago).

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

Strangely, Liara has less health than the ultra-sensitive quarian squad member.
Maybe that's why Grunt said "Asari ... all soft. Quarians, not so much."

It's the suit. That and the large amount of implants and augmentations. Most of the time in ME3, Liara doesn't even wear proper armor.

I never understood why the ultra-tough Garrus has less health than Tali though.

He doesn't. As I said, Tali is second only to Liara in having the least amount of health. 

He does in ME2.