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[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Asari are clearly not 'old' in any human sense by 700 or 800. Samara is clearly still very fit and attractive.

By any human sense? Being old in the real world doesn't stop you from being physically fit. 

In an asair sense, Samara's well past middle aged. Just drop that 0 off the end. That's Samara. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[shodiswe]

Chris Redfield Shepard wrote...



I choose 3.

I love that picture.

[Guanxii]

You can't escape any of the ireconcilable problems associated with the ending(s) no matter how far you set the game in the future. Period. It's just not happening - use some goddamn common sense, people.

The only way you can side step this whole mess is to effectively do just that. Pressing the reset button on this series in practice would mean creating original (i.e. unrelated) stories unconnected to the original plot ad infinitum (set pre-ME1) without any of the baggage the original trilogy brings along with it; with a wider audience in mind.

It's the primo-time period in which to base said stories with humanity acting as the new outsiders exploring a truely alien galaxy with all of the various alien civilizations completely untained by the reapers/player choices/mac walters.

What's more as a side benefit most major characters from the original trilogy would still be alive during this time and could make a comeback so the possibilities are much greater before the trilogy then after it when you really think about it.

Is there any unrelated story you could tell post ME3 that you couldn't tell as well if not better pre-ME1? Basically, If it's unrelated then what difference does it make is the point i'm trying to make.

Modifié par Guanxii, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:44 .

[KaiserShep]

This isn't a matter of common sense. If the writers work their way around the trilogy and actually do intend to produce a sequel, then that's what's going to happen. Whether or not someone feels that the end of the original trilogy creates irreconcilable issues is not really relevant. If Shepard's story is over, it's probably best to leave most of the major characters out of it completely. Maybe some characters that are unavoidable, like political leaders and the sort, would still be there, but with no Shepard, it's best to not have anyone who features on the Normandy at all, and have an entirely new ensemble.

That said, Walters' comments on this does not give me a great deal of confidence, but I hope that the writing team doesn't let whatever the game is going to be get crushed under the weight of its ambitions like the original trilogy did.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:45 .

[Display Name Owner]

If they do a post-Reaper story, I'd hate for everything to be back to normal. The Reapers coming and being defeated is something that should alter the whole face of the galaxy. That presents cool possibilities, but the flipside is that it might mean we're done with the MEverse as we know it, and I rather enjoy the MEverse as we know it.

Still, just move forward, I say. Thinking about it, it's not like the whole universe has to be changed drastically, some new technology, an altered societal system. It should be cool.

[Guanxii]

KaiserShep wrote...

This isn't a matter of common sense. If the writers work their way around the trilogy and actually do intend to produce a sequel, then that's what's going to happen. Whether or not someone feels that the end of the original trilogy creates irreconcilable issues is not really relevant. If Shepard's story is over, it's probably best to leave most of the major characters out of it completely. Maybe some characters that are unavoidable, like political leaders and the sort, would still be there, but with no Shepard, it's best to not have anyone who features on the Normandy at all, and have an entirely new ensemble.

That said, Walters' comments on this does not give me a great deal of confidence, but I hope that the writing team doesn't let whatever the game is going to be get crushed under the weight of its ambitions like the original trilogy did.

You honestly want a continuation of ME3? Mac Walters picking up where he left off? After that abomination you honestly want to continue on with this nightmare? Double down?

Modifié par Guanxii, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:01 .

[KaiserShep]

Yes, I would rather it be set in the future, not parallel to the trilogy, and especially not before it, as I loathe prequels. The biggest reason why I would rather have a sequel is because it allows the writers to take as much advantage as they want into setting new political structures, new technologies, updated designs (for tech, armor, vehicles, etc.) and new things to discover, without having the old codex library hovering over our heads. I basically don't want to see a Star Wars prequel effect going on here.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:20 .

[JonathonPR]

variant on #5. Retcon all events after the first Mass Effect and drop the Reaper plot. The Reapers are dealt with as an immediate threat for the next few decades or centuries. Explore the galaxies potential and focus on a smaller scale story.

[KaiserShep]

There's no point in creating a retcon for 2/3rds of a trilogy. You'd might as well just create an alternate universe, which is not likely to happen.

[TheProtheans]

1. Continues with all the races we know and love after Shepard refused and we defeated the Reapers with conventional means while suffering heavy casualties.

[Guanxii]

KaiserShep wrote...

Yes, I would rather it be set in the future, not parallel to the trilogy, and especially not before it, as I loathe prequels. The biggest reason why I would rather have a sequel is because it allows the writers to take as much advantage as they want into setting new political structures, new technologies, updated designs (for tech, armor, vehicles, etc.) and new things to discover, without having the old codex library hovering over our heads. I basically don't want to see a Star Wars prequel effect going on here.

I don't think turning the chronology back a couple of years will neccesarily mean going backwards technologically to crappy ME1-esque tech and armors, etc. That had more to do with budget and in-experience at the time then chronology. I'm sure there's lots of advanced tech and cool weapons and armors and such we've yet to see that's been around longer than we have. The Collector's traded with the terminus systems for milenia and the hording of prothean/reaper-based tech has always been a big problem throughout history. Besides mods and gear customization will improve along with gameplay regardless.

Just as one example the Widow is centuries years old and it's still the best, (i'm sure bioware will let you paint it black), and of course they can always retroactively 'lancer' everything and create precursor weapons of the typhoon, harrier, piranha, etc along with new designs.

Modifié par Guanxii, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:57 .

[KaiserShep]

Technology is only one of the points, which I still maintain would be silly to advance in the story while going backward in time. The entire galactic community would basically be as it was in the original Mass Effect. The krogan still have the genophage. The rachni are presumed extinct (of course to be discovered and bred later). The collectors and reapers still exist. The Batarian hegenomy is as it was before being decimated by the reapers. The quarians are still exiled from Rannoch and the geth isolate themselves behind the Veil. Same old three species council. None of this seems at all interesting. If the next game permits you to traverse the galaxy, none of these things can be avoided.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 septembre 2013 - 02:02 .

[Guanxii]

KaiserShep wrote...

Technology is only one of the points, which I still maintain would be silly to advance in the story while going backward in time. The entire galactic community would basically be as it was in the original Mass Effect. The krogan still have the genophage. The rachni are presumed extinct (of course to be discovered and bred later). The collectors and reapers still exist. The Batarian hegenomy is as it was before being decimated by the reapers. The quarians are still exiled from Rannoch and the geth isolate themselves behind the Veil. Same old three species council. None of this seems at all interesting. If the next game permits you to traverse the galaxy, none of these things can be avoided.

I think having everything exactly as it was in ME1 (reapers still a myth) is a major bonus, especially when introducing the series to new players. Imagine being new to the series and jumping in to post ME3 synthesis galaxy: they would be completely lost out of their minds; and without knowing the krogan backstory, Batarians being extinct, etc how would they be able to appreciate any of it. Existing players would be pissed off that other people's choices had been made canon - it would be a disaster.

[KaiserShep]

In that case, it might as well be a reboot. There's no meaningful difference if we're going to reset it back to the way things were before Shepard's story starts.

As for players being upset, it's a sure bet that many players will be pissed at a story that takes place before ME1 too.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 septembre 2013 - 02:18 .

[YourFleshIsMine]

KaiserShep wrote...

There's no point in creating a retcon for 2/3rds of a trilogy. You'd might as well just create an alternate universe, which is not likely to happen.

I dunno, if I hear the devs talk about ME4, an alternate universe is more likely than anything else really. Hence my idea of ME1-3 being a book written by a writer in the actual ME universe. Of course I am still hoping for a ME MMO but that might take a bit longer.

What will be interesting though is that the devs are up against their own gam here. People love Shepard and they have to compete with that because they decided not to go on with Shepard. They'd have to come up with something special alright to make people want to hop over to the new thing. I do hope there will be an online multiplayer part as ME3 again, without needing it for the readiness rating or something like that.

[KaiserShep]

I have no doubt that multiplayer will return, since EA is not about to pass on the opportunity to get those micro-transaction dollars.

[YourFleshIsMine]

KaiserShep wrote...

I have no doubt that multiplayer will return, since EA is not about to pass on the opportunity to get those micro-transaction dollars.

That's very cynical really. I've enjoyed that feature without spending a dime on it.  I only buy packs when I have the creds for it.

[KaiserShep]

I don't see how that's cynical. Multiplayer is clearly designed as a revenue opportunity that players can simply bypass by investing more time actually completing missions and gaining credits. It's a fair bet that many players do go ahead and pay for packs now and then when they've exhausted their gear and don't feel like burning through missions to be able to get them back, or want to better their chances of unlocking a new character sooner, or get new weapons. Hell I almost bought one because I was sick of the Avenger. I never said it's a bad thing, but it is reasonable incentive to keep providing this type of service on the next gen system. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 septembre 2013 - 02:44 .

[YourFleshIsMine]

The whole game is made to make money. Aside from a revenue option it's also something that keeps people playing the game. I called it cynical because there are a lot of people who make comments like this simply because they want to lash out at a company for wanting to make money. Apparently that wasn't your take on it, but I think you can understand why I made that assumption.

[3DandBeyond]

liggy002 wrote...

Choose one:

1. The next ME is set sometime after the events of Mass Effect 3 (specifically say whether you would prefer the game to take place not long after the events of ME3 or far in the future).

2. The next ME is set before the events of the Mass Effect Trilogy.

3. The next ME is set sometime during the events of ME3.

4. The next ME is set sometime during the events of ME1 or ME2 but before ME3.

5. The next ME is set in an alternate Universe but it still has the alien races we have come to know and love.

6. None of the above:  Just make a game about Harbinger blowing stuff up.  (LOL, I had to throw that one in there.)

You don't have the choice I'd pick but that would never happen--hmm, sort of like ME3's ending.

I'd actually desire a complete re-working of ME3 complete with real missions, real choice based and not so much auto-dialogue and all the rest much of which is known by now--story, not crucible, choices that matter, not linear outcomes regardless of choices, and more.  I'd like to see a build up to try and fight the reapers where the galaxy is coming to terms with an invasion that will soon take place and then the invasion and the fight to reclaim the galaxy-a two part game. 

I live in reality so know this won't happen.

Short of this, I feel they must abandon ME that is, make an all new story with some explanations as to this being a completely new ME story in which the events of the current ME never took place.  Not an alternate Universe but a new version and a new chance to build a coherent cohesive story.  I don't see that really happening either and they'll really have a challenge to create characters like those we now love-and find great voice actors to rival those we now love as well.  The hurdle will be a high one.  I see pew pew instead.

[3DandBeyond]

YourFleshIsMine wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I have no doubt that multiplayer will return, since EA is not about to pass on the opportunity to get those micro-transaction dollars.

That's very cynical really. I've enjoyed that feature without spending a dime on it.  I only buy packs when I have the creds for it.

Actually, it's reality.

EA has already stated that every game they release will have MP as a part of it.  They have consistently clamored for microtransactions (getting people to pay for bullets), day one DLC (the stated desire to get people to pay maybe an extra $20 when they're most likely to not object, supposedly), and they created the onetime use online pass needed to play MP (along with the debacle over the MP/SP tie in that I think was intentional).  They did get rid of the pass but are now going to require registration with Origin.

You have only to look at what they've done to the Sims, Dead Space 3, and their stated intent for the next gen consoles (they have promoted the idea of always online as a form of DRM and have consistently tried to get rid of any used game value).  I don't disagree that they need to make money, but I so disagree with how they're going about it.  Create great games, ones that give people good values, and make people WANT to spend a lot of money because they're having so much fun.  Don't create games that people resent because you are all but forcing them to spend a lot of money--because this also forms the basis for what other game devs do as well.  In doing that, all EA has been doing is creating or helping to further create an antagonistic environment-that's not fun.  Quality breeds respect and gets people to buy your stuff, and then to tell other people to buy as well.

But what EA knows is that most people don't finish games they start.  Most people don't complain and continue to buy, no matter how bad the experience.  And EA as well as other big devs has stated that the only thing that matters is how people spend their money.  Forums and complaints don't matter-all that matters is if we buy and we continue to do so, so they won't change.  It's not cynical, it's reality based upon all that EA has said and done and intends to do.

In future, they will attempt to make it more difficult to NOT buy.

[Propelled Rage]

I hope there is no prequel. There is no good that can come out of it. Somewhere along the line the reapers are bound to come into the picture and I don't think I'd be able to bear that scenario of preparations against that invincible foe in a new game.

[V-rcingetorix]

@3DAndBeyond,

Unfortunatley, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Big game companies have a lot of penny-pinching ideas. I don't hold it against them to want to save money, and some of the ideas are even decent. I don't like how Xbox was going to be 24/7, but look how it turned out: no more 24/7 online requirement

I've been watching BioWare with DA3, and I'm actually cautiously optimistic. Of course, I'm not pre-ordering, not after the ME3 debacle, but I'll consider....not promise....but consider buying before 4 years go by.

--More generally and on topic---


In ME4...the only real continuation (for me) would be one that included a living allies version. Maybe change the Geth so that they are now magic talking toasters, or The Shepard is a Solid Light construct, but none of this Dead Shepard/Allies garbage. Romeo and Juliet worked because it was a tragedy. Mass Effect was never written to be a tragedy, it's genre is Science Fiction/Action. Get over it.

Modifié par V-rcingetorix, 14 septembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[Nitrocuban]

inb4 crazy alternate universe timetravel story as bad as the new Star Trek.
Don't even THINK about it Biower.

[dekkerd]

1, 50 to 100 years later. Relays repaired. Asari and krogan allies possible cameos. Synthesis would have to be jettisoned, the other two endings easily handwaved.