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[Deerber]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Deerber wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

@Deerber:  A full team covers a multitude of sins.  And what will you base 'team performance' on, score?  Great, you can find the spawns 2 seconds earlier than the other 3 teammates that really tells you a lot about the characters performance.  

That's a completely different matter, and the answer is very subjective, ultimately.


But the fact that solos have nothing to do with that is not. It's been made like that by Bioware.

You don't test a Ferrari by driving it at 50 KPH. 

[Fortack]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Fortack wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Deerber wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

@Deerber:  A full team covers a multitude of sins.  And what will you base 'team performance' on, score?  Great, you can find the spawns 2 seconds earlier than the other 3 teammates that really tells you a lot about the characters performance.  

That's a completely different matter, and the answer is very subjective, ultimately.


But the fact that solos have nothing to do with that is not. It's been made like that by Bioware.

You don't test a Ferrari by driving it at 50 KPH. 

To properly test a Ferrari you have to go to a racing track, yet its performance there doesn't say much about the situations you run into on public roads - which is what it is ultimately designed for.

 Well, taking the majority of decent kits into a PUG match is like taking a Ferrari and driving it around downtown Chicago.

My point exactly. It's almost impossible to determine who or what is better when random stuff and teammates are part of the equation.

[chcknwng]

What the problem with offhost Asguard anyway? Played both and if lag affects one, it affects the other. It's not like Asari are super tanky.

[ISHYGDDT]

Deerber wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Deerber wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

@Deerber:  A full team covers a multitude of sins.  And what will you base 'team performance' on, score?  Great, you can find the spawns 2 seconds earlier than the other 3 teammates that really tells you a lot about the characters performance.  

That's a completely different matter, and the answer is very subjective, ultimately.


But the fact that solos have nothing to do with that is not. It's been made like that by Bioware.

You don't test a Ferrari by driving it at 50 KPH. 

 Okay, then let's just agree that the Asariguard is largely comparable to the Drellguard and pretending that one is hugely better than the other without presenting any empirical evidence whatsoever is something that only a silly string theorist would do.

@Fortack, I think we basically agree, then.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:17 .

[Argent Xero]

Element 0 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

AV has versatility in builds - I mean you *can* Stasis snipe, if you really want to ... and she's arguably better against Phantoms (Acolyte notwithstanding) and has slightly better survivability off-host.

On-host (or with a really good host) the DV is just a bit better though - once you've got the hang of controlling the scatter with Cluster Grenades, not that you really have to at point blank, just having BC'd kind of range.

 

If you Stasis snipe - you're not a Vanguard. Use an Adept for that if you must. (at least she's always at range)

I use a Widow on my Asari Vanguard!

[Fortack]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

@Fortack, I think we basically agree, then.

No way. It's impossible to find common ground at the BSN even when you agree

[MzAdventure]

Fortack wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

@Fortack, I think we basically agree, then.

No way. It's impossible to find common ground at the BSN even when you agree

my nominee for post of the week folks! 

[me0120]

Fortack wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

@Fortack, I think we basically agree, then.

No way. It's impossible to find common ground at the BSN even when you agree

What's the point of either one when we have the GI?

[Beerfish]

victoriakm wrote...




my nominee for post of the week folks! 

Do you not have an an avatar just like that except with her clapping her hands?

Modifié par Beerfish, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Jaun Shepard]

Lol is this even a question? Its like asking which is better GI or TGI.



Answer: Drell Vanguard

[Ledgend1221]

Jaun Shepard wrote...

Lol is this even a question? Its like asking which is better GI or GI.



Answer: GI

[NuclearTech76]

victoriakm wrote...

Fortack wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

@Fortack, I think we basically agree, then.

No way. It's impossible to find common ground at the BSN even when you agree

my nominee for post of the week folks! 

:wub:Nice avatar!

[Beerfish]

Element 0 wrote...



Or you know, I can just charge them all, stagger them and finish with a grenade to face in 2 seconds flat. And 3 points in Stasis is enough to hold a Phantom long enough to kill it. 

This is what I see in response each time.  I just have to flawlessly charge them  (in games where lag exists) and in games where other opponents might be close by to shoot my rump off as i fight my target.  Stagger them is a given and then use nades (a renewable resource).

Instead of stasis, then charge or not charge if you desire or have an team mates charge or shoot or toss a nade ro charge the stasis bubble causing a BE.

I can see this being a preferred play style of a very very good player who is in effect soloing, other wise stasis is way more effficient in my mind that a task that is a two or three stepper.  In any case we have had this discussion many times in the past there will be no changing minds of the people who prefer no or limited stasis vs the ones that endorse its full use.

[Jaun Shepard]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Jaun Shepard wrote...

Lol is this even a question? Its like asking which is better GI or GI.



Answer: GI

Stop trolling me.

GI

[Miniditka77]

I think the Drell's potential is higher, and he's better in the hands of a skilled player.  The Asari is easier to play though, and less skilled players will do better with her.  I guess I'd give it to the Drell, but they're both fantastic.

[MaxCrushmore]

Beerfish wrote...

Element 0 wrote...



Or you know, I can just charge them all, stagger them and finish with a grenade to face in 2 seconds flat. And 3 points in Stasis is enough to hold a Phantom long enough to kill it. 

This is what I see in response each time.  I just have to flawlessly charge them  (in games where lag exists) and in games where other opponents might be close by to shoot my rump off as i fight my target.  Stagger them is a given and then use nades (a renewable resource).

Instead of stasis, then charge or not charge if you desire or have an team mates charge or shoot or toss a nade ro charge the stasis bubble causing a BE.

I can see this being a preferred play style of a very very good player who is in effect soloing, other wise stasis is way more effficient in my mind that a task that is a two or three stepper.  In any case we have had this discussion many times in the past there will be no changing minds of the people who prefer no or limited stasis vs the ones that endorse its full use.

I hear what you're saying, and personally I like both characters alot, but the DV is clearly the superior killer in this game ... his %90 power damage bonus after he charges applies to all 3 fragments. When you develop some practise with them, you can either bounce all 3 off a boss enemy unit for massive damage, or throw then in a spread formation into a group of mooks to stun/kill them all .. this just takes a little practise .. considering how much game experience i'm sure you have  .. you should give him a closer look ...

I really like the AV alot also, and because she has better base shield, she can make good use of Cyclonics, making her much more forgiving to play. But it does take her longer to deal with boss units (which, of course, are prevalent at Gold +)

As far as off host Vanguarding goes, I think many on BSN make too big a deal out of it ... you may get downed anywhere from 0-2 per match because of, but that is hardly a deal breaker

[ISHYGDDT]

MaxCrushmore wrote...

I hear what you're saying, and personally I like both characters alot, but the DV is clearly the superior killer in this game ... his %90 power damage bonus after he charges applies to all 3 fragments.

That extra 5% additive power damage really makes a huge difference, doesn't it?

[Sailears]

Asari, because cluster grenades without reave are horrible.

[Deerber]

Curunen wrote...

Asari, because cluster grenades without reave are horrible.

... Not sure if...

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

asari stasis sniping vanguard is the only way to play her, because the drell can do the charge nade tactic better.
my stasis sniper! (if you don't like the viper, use the valiant instead)
she becomes a master of long range, close quarters, spawn nuking, shes got it all.

[Sailears]

Deerber wrote...

Curunen wrote...

Asari, because cluster grenades without reave are horrible.

... Not sure if...

I'll put my serious face on.

I don't like cluster grenades.

I don't like that both biotic drell have these in their kit.