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[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Just a little game, nothing to worry about. 

This is a 20-questions type of game. Note that the subject "I" is not indicative of the answer. "I" can be anything from an individual person, to a group of people, to a single thing, to a group of things. However, "I" will always be something related to Mass Effect (3)... in the spirit of Mass Effect 3 discussion, of course. So anyway, here are your clues....


1.) Since my creation, I am most likely the greatest cause for violent death for organics in the galaxy.
2.) I am considered abominable -- compared to bugs, among other unflattering comparisons.
3.) I can easily destroy the galaxy's largest fleet, if allowed to live within the events of ME3.
4.) I have only given peace a chance when backed to the wall, threatened with the extinction of my species.
5.) I have never shown mercy prior to accpeting peace in exchange for continued existence.
6.) I have virtually no proponents outside my own species.
7.) Those who've merely tinkered with my technology have sometimes been massacred.
8.) Every physical platform of mine is built for combat, so I can readily destroy that which is likely to threaten me -- organic lifeforms.
9.) Apart from the actions of one representative member from my collective -- one who has compelling reason to lie/deceive those he encounters -- I have made no effort to make peace.
10.) I have free-will, and as such, the responsibility for my actions lie almost entirely on myself.

('Little commentary, from your host...) Surely, any individual who doesn't destroy the above subject when they have a chance is a naiive fool played for a sucker. Clearly, with all the baggage it carries, any prospects for peaceful coexistence with it are hopeless. Obviously, anyone who tolerates its existence isn't all there upstairs... right? Right??




[Answer: ....................................................................................................................... the geth]

Thanks for playing. 

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 12 septembre 2013 - 02:34 .

[KaiserShep]

I was going to say Beliebers.

[TheProtheans]

1), is most likely wrong.
4), is ignorant and not true.
7), is mostly wrong as it was Reaper technology, hence the husks.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:00 .

[Sir DeLoria]

TheProtheans wrote...

1), is most likely wrong.
4), is ignorant and not true.
7), is mostly wrong as it was Reaper technology, hence the husks.

You really didn't get number 7.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 


*Mass Effect 3 Launch Trailer

Major Coates: "10 million dead in the first day. Another 7 million dead by the end of the (first?) week."

17 million casualties per week, on Earth. So, let's use that data and say that the Reapers average 2.4 million casualties on a major homeworld per day. Let's also say that they occupy three major homeworlds (Earth, Palaven, Khar'Shan) and some 10 colonies per with half the casualty rate (totally overshooting it on both counts, but that's kind of the point) at the onset of ME3. So, we're up to [43.2 million casualties per day] ...





Hackett tells us that we lost Earth some 3 weeks back by the end of the Citadel coup, about one third of the way through Mass Effect 3's main plot. So, the Reapers have been at it for 21 days, which equates to 907.2 million casualties at the rate we have pre-determined. So, not quite at the billion mark just yet. Say the Rannoch arc concludes after another three weeks and that number is doubled, we're at 1.8 billion. Let's add another three weeks to account for the Ceberus arc (Thessia, Sanctuary, Cerberus HQ).

And given the invasion of Thessia, we will now add another homeworld and 10 colonies, so the rate has jumped to 57.4 million casualties per day. Another 3 weeks equates to another 1.2 billion casualties to put us at a grand total of 3 billion casualties by the time Shepard has wrapped things up and is only left with taking back Earth (all other missions closed).

Let's add another 1 billion in there for good measure, just because there are other species with colonies and homeworlds to account for (though none as populous as humanity's, the turians', or the asari's, nor as high a priority for the Reapers, nor targetted as early on in the war). So ultimately, we have a subtotal of 4 billion casualties.

If Rannoch was even half as populated as Mass Effect's Earth (~11.2 billion people) before the geth uprising, the Reapers still will not have achieved as much slaughter as the geth did through the Morning War alone (99% * 5.6 = 5.581 bil).




And to think people are precious about this species' sacrifice in Destroy, yet the Reapers must die...

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:14 .

[Ledgend1221]

Oh look...
Quarians deserved it.

[Br3admax]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This thread's concept reminds me of my joke I posted a few times in geth-related threads:

Q: What's the difference between the Collector Base and the geth fleet?
A: One's a dangerous abomination that caused the deaths of many innocent lives, and which I happily destroyed to much approval from my team, and the other's just beyond the Omega-4 relay.

+1

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Oh look...
Quarians deserved it.

Hmmm... I typically have no interest in geth-quarian debates, but this statement is just.... just....

Ah, never mind. I have my hands full as it is. 

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Just a little game, nothing to worry about.

This is a 20-questions type of game. Note that the subject "I" is not indicative of the answer. "I" can be anything from an individual person, to a group of people, to a single thing, to a group of things. However, "I" will always be something related to Mass Effect (3)... in the spirit of Mass Effect 3 discussion, of course. So anyway, here are your clues....


1.) Since my creation, I am most likely the greatest cause for violent death for organics in the galaxy.[/quote]
Why violent death?

[quote]2.) I am considered abominable -- compared to bugs, among other unflattering comparisons.[/quote]
By who?

[quote]3.) I can easily destroy the galaxy's largest fleet, if allowed to live within the events of ME3.[/quote]
So?

[quote]4.) I have only given peace a chance when backed to the wall, threatened with the extinction of my species.[/quote]
Except for that whole thing with Legion in the second game, the conclusion of the Rannoch arc, and the geth's peaceful and voluntary isolation from the galaxy for their three hundred years of freedom.

[quote]5.) I have never shown mercy prior to accpeting peace in exchange for continued existence.[/quote]
That doesn't make sense.

[quote]6.) I have virtually no proponents outside my own species.[/quote]
So?

[quote]7.) Those who've merely tinkered with my technology have sometimes been massacred.[/quote]
They are technology, tinkering with geth technology is little different than experimenting on humans. Also, context. 

[quote]8.) Every physical platform of mine is built for combat, so I can readily destroy that which is likely to threaten me -- organic lifeforms.[/quote]
So are krogan, turians, humans, and every other organic species. Guess what's most likely to threaten them? Other organics.

[quote]9.) Apart from the actions of one representative member from my collective [/quote]
Yes, a representative. Of the geth. A collective driven by consensus.

[quote]-- one who has compelling reason to lie/deceive those he encounters --[/quote]
What compelling reason?

[quote]I have made no effort to make peace.[/quote]
[b]Legion was their effort to make peace, but regardless, so what?

[quote]10.) I have free-will, and as such, the responsibility for my actions lie almost entirely on myself.[/quote]
Children have free-will too, but they aren't always considered responsible for their actions. Again, so?

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 septembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Ledgend1221]

I give the people what they want.

[Sir DeLoria]

I actually have to disagree on that, HYR. It is highly doubtful Rannoch had a popualtion this high. Rannoch is a near complete desert planet with only small strips of land along the oceans being hospitable. The colonies in the Veil, like Adas or Haestrom, were almost exclusively mining colonies with a small population of workers and their respective families. Tali states in ME1, that the Quarians lost almost 99% of their population in the war. If we assume, that the population of the Migrant Fleet has held fairly steady for the last 300 years, that would result in the population being approximately 1,68 billion.

Your calculation is not wrong, but you're neglecting a few events here. The first race to be hit were the Batarians. It is stated, that after the initial attack on Khar'Shan, there is literally nothing left of the Hegemony. The Batarians were utterly slaughtered. The codex states, that the Volus(Irune = 8,8 billion) and Elcor(Dekuuna = 2,35 billion) suffered extremely severe casualties to the Reapers in the course of the war.The Reapers weren't just harvesting the main homeworlds, they harvested any major planet, like Illium. Some colonies, like Bekenstein were just obliterated from orbit.

I agree with your point, but your analysis is not correct.

[Sir DeLoria]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Oh look...
Quarians deserved it.

By your logic I could say: I destroyed Earth and nearly exterminated humanity. Oh look...

Humans deserved it.

[ATiBotka]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Oh look...
Quarians deserved it.

I hate the quarians (except Tali), but no one deserves this.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

For the slow ones... this thread is not to make a point about the geth. It's to make a point about the Reapers.

You'll notice the similarity in the "grievances" I listed off.

'Twas inspired by this post.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 12 septembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[jstme]

You are...you are...wait,wait,i know,don't tell me - you are Shepard that choose synthesis! Yes ,it all fits!
Corrupting every organic organism,killing organic life, easily destroyed huge fleets with that magic wave,accepted Catalyst version of peace when faced with extinction..if it fitz,it jumpz.

Now jokes aside, you just went full reaper apologist. Never go full reaper apologist.
Your analogy to Geth is even more flawed then my deliberately ridiculuos one.
Geth were created as servants and workers. Reapers were created as a tool for reaping.
Geth control themself. Reapers are controlled by their creator.
Geth do not have death of all of Quarians as a goal. Reapers are ordered to kill all advanced organic life forms which they proceed to do with remarkable efficiency and only uber-trolls like Javik survive that.

Almost half of your points (namely - 1,5,8,9) are false. Other points (2,4,7,10) fit numerous species in ME universe.

In short - you are wrong.

[Sir DeLoria]

Finn the Jakey wrote...
Why? The population of Africa, which has huge stretches of arid areas or desert has a population of just over 1 billion, and that's just one continent. Plus, the Quarians were several hundred, if not several thousands of years ahead of humans in terms of development and industrialisation, Earth's population is expected to go up another 1-2 billion in only 25 years!

Its also mentioned that the Quarians had at least a few colonies out there too.

That is a fair point, Africa however is incomparable to Rannoch when it comes to overall landscape. The word 'Rannoch' literally means "walled garden" as any and all plant and animal life is concentrated around oceans and rivers. That space in itself is not too large, as Rannoch is even smaller than Earth and has less ocean coverage. 

All named Quarian colonies, Uriyah, Adas, Haza, Kaddi, Charoum, Gotha and Haestrom(I just did a little research) were all either used for mining operations, refueling stations or research outposts. All of them had only a tiny population of workers, soldiers and scientists.

[TheProtheans]

Necanor wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

1), is most likely wrong.
4), is ignorant and not true.
7), is mostly wrong as it was Reaper technology, hence the husks.

You really didn't get number 7.

If you're referring to Quarian tampering then no, some died doing missions.
It not referring Overlord anyway, " tinkered with my technology"

Cerberus was doing more than tinkering with technology.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 septembre 2013 - 06:58 .

[wolfhowwl]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Oh look...
Quarians deserved it.

They were architects of their own destruction but that doesn't mean they deserved it.

The Quarians did choose to launch a war of extermination and when they proved the weaker the Geth chose to finish the war on the same terms the Quarians started it. But the key word there being chose. Breaking the Quarian military was a matter of survival for the Geth, the decision to engage in wholesale butchery was not. The Quarians were defeated and only by the most barbaric standards would continuing the fight be considered acceptable behavior.

However if the Quarians were correct in attempting to exterminate the Geth in the Morning War, then the Geth were also correct in trying to utterly destroy the Quarians as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. In that case the Quarians did get what they deserved, they were weak and the Geth were stronger. The stronger side won out and the Quarians paid the price for starting a war they couldn't win.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:44 .

[Seival]

Good point, HYR 2.0.

Wise commander Shepard would never risk choosing Destroy. Only an enraged person, who is unable to control himself/herself would... Or a practical person who thinks he/she is wise enough to decide which are the optimal numbers for different people populations (with zero as a valid number in many cases).

Modifié par Seival, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:41 .

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Good point, HYR 2.0.

Wise commander Shepard would never risk choosing Destroy. Only an enraged person, who is unable to control himself/herself would... Or a practical person who thinks he/she is wise enough to decide optimal numbers for different people population (with zero as a valid number in many cases).

lulz no