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[Ilidan_DA]

Masked Empire for release July 2014 not April 8th 2014

From PAX:

"Patrick Weekes humbly, graciously, and elegantly plugged his next book Dragon Age: The Masked Empire for release next July 2014. Two of the main characters are Empress Celene of Orlais and her handmaiden/spymaster/elf/lover Briala. His main point was to illustrate that in Orlais, no one cared that they were the same sex and in love. Orlesians only give a damn that they’re of different classes. Same sex love is considered normal - just another part of life".

Source: http://ladyinsanity.com/

[devSin]

Yeah, right before saying that Kaidan was queer enough to be bisexual but Ashley was too normal for it.

Pass.

[Zack_Nero]

I just hope this is so much better then what Mass Effect Deception was, the grammar and story lore errors. They were so, so, bad.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This does actually seem like on of the most interesting premises for a novel in the Dragon Age universe Bioware has done, I've actually been tempted to get it and I never really have had much interest in the Dragon Age EU before.

If I were to guess, based on that new info, Gaspard's faction is trying to be made to be sort of a mixed bag of sympathetic faces and not. Because before he just sounded like he was militant and power hungry, but now it might be a more grey conflict if he's also fighting with impoverished minorities.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 12 septembre 2013 - 10:26 .

[Xilizhra]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

Well in da every relationships is ruined so

Aveline/Donnic. Your argument is invalid.

[devSin]

Zack_Nero wrote...

I just hope this is so much better then what Mass Effect Deception was, the grammar and story lore errors. They were so, so, bad.

He works on the DA team now, and his wife is one of the longtime editors, so hopefully it follows the lore.

I would have preferred another book from David, and I'm not in any hurry to pick this one up now, but Patrick's previous book seemed to be well regarded (it was original fiction, though).

I wouldn't worry about it being outsourced trash like that ME "novel" was reported to be.

Modifié par devSin, 12 septembre 2013 - 10:26 .

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

Well in da every relationships is ruined so

Aveline/Donnic. Your argument is invalid.

You can screw up Avelines chances thust hey never get married. You where saying?

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

Well in da every relationships is ruined so

Aveline/Donnic. Your argument is invalid.

You can screw up Avelines chances thust hey never get married. You where saying?

That's potential ruination, not guaranteed. It's quite different.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

Well in da every relationships is ruined so

Aveline/Donnic. Your argument is invalid.

You can screw up Avelines chances thust hey never get married. You where saying?

That's potential ruination, not guaranteed. It's quite different.

Stop cherrypicking. The only couple that is not ruined at all in the seires is Wade and Harren, a gay couple.

[AresKeith]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

Get your agenda out of here.

[Shadow Fox]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

Get your agenda out of here.

Don't poke the beehive.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

I'm sorry that it looks grim, but it might not end poorly. Briala and Celene might still end up together. I know lesbian relationships are few and far in-between.

That said, I'd rather not choose between Celene or Gaspard (in Inquisition, since the civil war seems as though it'll be featured in the narrative) when I care nothing for the Orlesian Empire; I'd rather aid the elves and see the empire crumble.

[bluemadame]

Why did their relationship have to be a perfect one? I can understand Briala wanting a better life for her people. She was the Empress' lover and spymaster, but the elven people are still considered second-class citizens. I'd be a bit pissed off at my royal girlfriend too.

Honestly, the plot intrigues me. I don't know much about Gaspard, but I hope the novel helps me decide which side I need to be on during the Inquisition.

[Mr.House]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

I'm sorry that it looks grim, but it might not end poorly. Briala and Celene might still end up together. I know lesbian relationships are few and far in-between.

That said, I'd rather not choose between Celene or Gaspard (in Inquisition, since the civil war seems as though it'll be featured in the narrative) when I care nothing for the Orlesian Empire; I'd rather aid the elves and see the empire crumble.

You don't always get what you want.

[LobselVith8]

Riversong wrote...

Why did their relationship have to be a perfect one?

Why would someone want the relationship to work, you mean? I suppose it might have to do with the scarity of lesbian couples in entertainment that don't end in misery, to the people where it's become a cliche to have it end really badly.

Riversong wrote...

I can understand Briala wanting a better life for her people. She was the Empress' lover and spymaster, but the elven people are still considered second-class citizens. I'd be a bit pissed off at my royal girlfriend too. 

I can understand that as well, but I doubt either Celene or Gaspard genuinely care about the elves.

Riversong wrote...

Honestly, the plot intrigues me. I don't know much about Gaspard, but I hope the novel helps me decide which side I need to be on during the Inquisition.

If the Dalish mage option is genuine, then I know who I want to side with.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware always ruins lesbian relationships. It seems all but canon by this point. My impression is not a good one.

Well in da every relationships is ruined so

Aveline/Donnic. Your argument is invalid.

Well but most yes oghren both relationships ended badly , grey warden in awakening , guy in high town and his dead wife , ferynhiel father , flemeth relationship if true , leliana with marjolene , zevran every relationship , anora with cailan , leandra with malcolm (well it was successful relationship but he died) , gamlen with mara , huon with his wife , isabela with her first love ,anders and karl i could find more but you see now we doesn't see many lesbian relationships and alomst every relationship in game is ruined.

About aveline and donnic well it may not be so happy ending considering da 2 ending especially on mage side.  

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm sorry that it looks grim, but it might not end poorly. Briala and Celene might still end up together. I know lesbian relationships are few and far in-between.

That said, I'd rather not choose between Celene or Gaspard (in Inquisition, since the civil war seems as though it'll be featured in the narrative) when I care nothing for the Orlesian Empire; I'd rather aid the elves and see the empire crumble.

You don't always get what you want. 

Sometimes, you do get what you want.

And I'm still vexed as to how wanting one single lesbian relationship to work out in a sea of failures across so many different entertainment mediums is an "agenda".

[thats1evildude]

Did you play Awakening? Virtually every M/F relationship in that expansion that's the focus of a sidequest ends horribly. Hell, not just one but TWO of them end with the male partner committing suicide.

Justice for Kristoff=Woman finds out husband has died by encountering his possessed corpse

Oghren the Family Man=Oghren mulls over his failed relationship with Felsi

The Trail of Love= One man's attempt at wacky marriage proposal ends in failure, man kills himself

Last Wishes=Deliver news of husband's death to wife; discover she was cheating on him

Til Death Do us Part=Man kills himself after being unable to provide for his wife

Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 septembre 2013 - 11:39 .

[Mr.House]

thats1evildude wrote...

Did you play Awakening? Virtually every M/F relationship in that expansion that's the focus of a sidequest ends horribly.

Hell, not just one but TWO of them end with the male partner committing suicide.

But there're straight so it's fine.

[Xilizhra]

Stop cherrypicking. The only couple that is not ruined at all in the seires is Wade and Harren, a gay couple.

It isn't cherrypicking, and if you'll notice, that wasn't the relationship type I was concerned about. I'm referring to the apparently inevitable doom of all Bioware lesbian relationships. And this includes the protagonists, except for Destroy Shepard, and even then barely.

You don't always get what you want.

That's why we ask loudly and ahead of time.

Did you play Awakening?
Virtually every M/F relationship in that expansion that's the focus of a
sidequest ends horribly.

Irrelevant. Several within the series can work out well.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 12 septembre 2013 - 11:35 .

[Eragon-]

Annnd, there goes another thread. People sure like to contradict themselves. Trying to stop a thread from derailing by voluntarily aiding its derailment is quite useful.

Modifié par Eragon-, 12 septembre 2013 - 11:45 .

[Xilizhra]

Eragon- wrote...

Annnd, there goes another thread. People sure like contradict themselves. Trying to stop a thread from derailing by voluntarily aiding its derailment is quite useful.

Well, we received two new pieces of information: Briala and Celene being screwed over and Gaspard possibly being on the elves' side. I'm currently speaking of one of them.

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Did you play Awakening? Virtually every M/F relationship in that expansion that's the focus of a sidequest ends horribly.

Hell, not just one but TWO of them end with the male partner committing suicide.

But there're straight so it's fine.

Are we really going to start this again?

[thats1evildude]

Xilizhra wrote...

Irrelevant. Several within the series can work out well.

But it's not irrelevant. If only a small portion of the relationships in Dragon Age are between women - and honestly, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Branka/Hespith - and nine out of 10 relationships in the series end in tragedy, then in all likelihood the lesbian relationship would be among those doomed to fail.

Let's say  I lined up nine Coke cans and one Pepsi can on a fence and then shot nine of them for target practice, leaving only a Coke can standing. Would you then say I had an irrational hatred of Pepsi because I shot 100 per cent of the Pepsi cans?

Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 septembre 2013 - 11:47 .

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Eragon- wrote...

Annnd, there goes another thread. People sure like contradict themselves. Trying to stop a thread from derailing by voluntarily aiding its derailment is quite useful.

Well, we received two new pieces of information: Briala and Celene being screwed over and Gaspard possibly being on the elves' side. I'm currently speaking of one of them.

I'm pretty sure he is referring to Mr. House's comments.