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[Shadow Fox]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Why don't we shove some south americans into the game to, while we're at it? Maybe an eskimo people and some new zealanders to really diversify the continent.

Thedas's population doesn't need to be a multi-racial cornucopia, especially when there are probably other continents in the world than just thedas with these groups. Asian cultures didn't even travel outside of their countrys except on exploritoral missions, they were highly isolationist. I don't see why that shouldn't be the case for any asian equivilant race in thedas as well.

South America doesn't exist, neither does any of the places from our world, you know what else doesn't exist in Thedas? Europe.

Nice one.

Great comback there, champ. But that doesn't explain anything of your badly worded, erroneous in terms of grammar post.

So because europe doesn't exist, you should have asians in the game, because reasons?

And why not?  If Bioware wants to include people with Asian features, they can.

Where did they come from? What nation do they hail from? What is that nations terms with the rest of thedas? Does thedas even know it exist?

There's a lot more to being a race than just a skintone and facial features. If you're just throwing it in there for no other reason than for it to exist, why can't you do so with more fantastical things? Like lizardmen? Or cat people?

Why do the people of Thedas have to be sorely Caucasian in appearence?

[sandalisthemaker]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Actually, who cares if there is gravity? Who cares if we eat water and drink bread? Who cares if sexual reproduction occurs in the nasal canal?

After all, this is a fantasy world. It does not have to conform to real world ideas.

Why must you trolls spew such nonsense?

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Hazegurl, things like that happen over a long long long long long period of time and in a huge area.

Logically, if a person has a choice whether to live in a dry desert or next to a lake, they will live next to the lake as it can support them best.


Asians evolved from different monkeys to the ones Caucasians evolved from; these monkeys were thousands of miles apart from each other, not right next to each other.





Anyway I like my theory. We know that humans only came to Thedas 5,000 odd years ago, so I reckon that the people of different colours had already come from different continents by that time.


Not that Bioware will ever explain it, but hey ho, it's a nice headcannon that explains away things which would be lore issues (like original archaic native fereldans being able to be both black and white).

[sandalisthemaker]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

 Why do the people of Thedas have to be sorely Caucasian in appearence?

Don't you know that whites are the norm, and anyone else is "other" and therefore they must  have a reason to justify their existance?

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:14 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Sandal, I'm sorry if you think I am trolling, but with all due respect, just because I take issue with what you are saying does not make me a troll.

Are you a troll for disagreeing with me? No, I wouldn't say something like that.

Ignoring the fact that I AGREE with you that there should be all kinds of race in Thedas.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Calling someone a troll isn't a good counter-argument. I am simply trying to get my point across, namely that there is a completely logical reason why the nations of Thedas should be multi-ethnic.

I like logic. It's fun.

[sandalisthemaker]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

@Sandal, I'm sorry if you think I am trolling, but with all due respect, just because I take issue with what you are saying does not make me a troll.

Are you a troll for disagreeing with me? No, I wouldn't say something like that.

Ignoring the fact that I AGREE with you that there should be all kinds of race in Thedas.

Then stop trolling.
Look at your posts. Most of them are spam and nonsense. (Hint:  the terrible puns)

[Angrywolves]

I NEVER asked for asians to be in DAI.
I wondered if they were in Thedas and if so where ?
It's really no big deal.Not worth arguing about.
As for evil dude, whose worse, an admittedly creepy old man or some player who wants to be evil and commit genocide in a game. As criminal profilers would say you're overcompensating.
Bottom line is Bioware can have any races they want to in the game.
It's only a video game.

[AresKeith]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Actually, who cares if there is gravity? Who cares if we eat water and drink bread? Who cares if sexual reproduction occurs in the nasal canal?

After all, this is a fantasy world. It does not have to conform to real world ideas.

Why must you trolls spew such nonsense?

Because using the phrase "Who cares, it's a fantasy world" is a weak argument in itself

[Fast Jimmy]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Oh, wow. This topic again.

Lots of fans and Bioware employees have weighed in on this exact topic in the past. There are, currently, no Asians in the Thedas lore. They are not planning on putting any Asians in the game unless there is an explanation of them appearing as a previously-undiscussed group of people, say the Fex from Par Vollen or perhaps even an undiscovered country.

That being said, options of creating your own player to have a multitude of different appearances are going to be possible in DA:I to an unprecedented level, so the player should be able to have a better shot at creating an Asian main character, should they so choose.

Okay... so I see no one really responded to or paid attention to my first post, so...

http://social.biowar...2050/3#16017008

David Gaider wrote...

Four things:

1) Thedas is not Europe. It's vaguely based on medieval Europe-- and, while I can see why some people would like more fantasy based on things other than medieval Europe (and I approve-- heck, we did Jade Empire after all), it is and the setting is already created. Making direct comparisons to "it was like this in European history", however, and trying to say that means it should also be like this in Thedas is not going to hold much weight. Dragon Age is not a historical simulation.

2) That said, there were black people in Europe. Depending on which era you look at, in fact, there were potentially a lot of them. Thedas also has Rivain, which is roughly analogous to medieval Spain... but I wouldn't try to stretch the comparison too hard.

3) We've said previously that we'd like to have more ethnic variation in Dragon Age. Our previous engine couldn't do very dark skin tones very well, but with that fact changed it's something we'd like to include. Rivain does exist, like I said, and while they're not the most populous country their people are not exactly barred into their cities. We're going to include them where they make sense, and thankfully there are indeed places where they make sense. It's perfectly reasonable for people to ask for more of this-- it's not about "political correctness" so much as not making the default white in every single instance just because nobody thought it could maybe be otherwise.

4) All that said, trying to squeeze every real-world ethnicity onto one continent simply isn't going to happen. There are, however, places in Dragon Age other than the continent of Thedas... should we ever go to those places, one should expect to see other sorts of people there. And there's nothing stopping the occasional traveler from far away coming into the game for plot reasons, though that's going to be exceptional simply because traffic between the continents is not exactly great. If it was, you'd expect people to be talking about "the lands beyond Thedas" a trifle more, wouldn't you? That could, however, always change.

How people look in the game is really more the Art department's province than Writing's, but we have input on the subject (and a degree of influence over the context). Ultimately this is something you're simply going to have to wait and see on, and we'll show what we mean. Beyond that, however, like I said above there's really no reason to slam anyone who asks for more representation in fantasy. It's a big place.

This should, in all honesty, end the thread. 

[Shadow Fox]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

 Why do the people of Thedas have to be sorely Caucasian in appearence?

Don't you know that whites are the norm, and anyone else is "other" and therefore they must  have a reason to justify their existance?

Why couldn't Thedas just be an ethnic melting pot?

[sandalisthemaker]

AresKeith wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Actually, who cares if there is gravity? Who cares if we eat water and drink bread? Who cares if sexual reproduction occurs in the nasal canal?

After all, this is a fantasy world. It does not have to conform to real world ideas.

Why must you trolls spew such nonsense?

Because using the phrase "Who cares, it's a fantasy world" is a weak argument in itself

No it isn't, because Thedas is in fact a fantasy world that does not need to conform to real world anthropolocial trends.

[sandalisthemaker]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

 Why do the people of Thedas have to be sorely Caucasian in appearence?

Don't you know that whites are the norm, and anyone else is "other" and therefore they must  have a reason to justify their existance?

Why couldn't Thedas just be an ethnic melting pot?

That was Sarcasm.
There is no reason it couldn't be.

[addiction21]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

 Why do the people of Thedas have to be sorely Caucasian in appearence?

Don't you know that whites are the norm, and anyone else is "other" and therefore they must  have a reason to justify their existance?

Its one thing to ask the question its another thing entirely to start making the snide comments.

[Hazegurl]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

@Hazegurl, things like that happen over a long long long long long period of time and in a huge area.

Logically, if a person has a choice whether to live in a dry desert or next to a lake, they will live next to the lake as it can support them best.

Asians evolved from different monkeys to the ones Caucasians evolved from; these monkeys were thousands of miles apart from each other, not right next to each other.

Anyway I like my theory. We know that humans only came to Thedas 5,000 odd years ago, so I reckon that the people of different colours had already come from different continents by that time.

Not that Bioware will ever explain it, but hey ho, it's a nice headcannon that explains away things which would be lore issues (like original archaic native fereldans being able to be both black and white).

No, we all split from the chimpanzee line. What caused Asians to develop the way they did was due to their environment when hominids begans spreading from Africa into asia and Europe. some researchers say that east asians have a gene mutation but I don't know much about that. What i mean is, if Thedas is like Earth in terms of enviornment then there have to be humans with asian features, just not in the area where the story is taking place

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I like puns. Are puns trolling now? No-one reacted negatively to my puns except you, and the entire POINT of puns is that they are terrible my friend.


Also: please do not use 'Then stop trolling' as a counter argument after I said I am not in fact trolling.

Do you even disagree with what I say? Do you think that it is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE that the people living in Thedas are multi-ethnic because they came there from many different continents.


Instead of resorting to continuously calling me a troll (which is ironically trolling in itself, no?), could you please give me a reason why my theory is impossible? Or even how it negatively effects any groups?

[sandalisthemaker]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Oh, wow. This topic again.

Lots of fans and Bioware employees have weighed in on this exact topic in the past. There are, currently, no Asians in the Thedas lore. They are not planning on putting any Asians in the game unless there is an explanation of them appearing as a previously-undiscussed group of people, say the Fex from Par Vollen or perhaps even an undiscovered country.

That being said, options of creating your own player to have a multitude of different appearances are going to be possible in DA:I to an unprecedented level, so the player should be able to have a better shot at creating an Asian main character, should they so choose.

Okay... so I see no one really responded to or paid attention to my first post, so...

http://social.biowar...2050/3#16017008

David Gaider wrote...

Four things:

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">1) Thedas is not Europe. It's vaguely based on medieval Europe-- and, while I can see why some people would like more fantasy based on things ]other [/color]than medieval Europe (and I approve-- heck, we did Jade Empire after all), it is and the setting is already created. Making direct comparisons to "it was like this in European history", however, and trying to say that means it should also be like this in Thedas is not going to hold much weight. Dragon Age is not a historical simulation.

2) That said, there were black people in Europe. Depending on which era you look at, in fact, there were potentially a lot of them. Thedas also has Rivain, which is roughly analogous to medieval Spain... but I wouldn't try to stretch the comparison too hard.

3) We've said previously that we'd like to have more ethnic variation in Dragon Age. Our previous engine couldn't do very dark skin tones very well, but with that fact changed it's something we'd like to include. Rivain does exist, like I said, and while they're not the most populous country their people are not exactly barred into their cities. We're going to include them where they make sense, and thankfully there are indeed places where they make sense. It's perfectly reasonable for people to ask for more of this-- it's not about "political correctness" so much as not making the default white in every single instance just because nobody thought it could maybe be otherwise.

4) All that said, trying to squeeze every real-world ethnicity onto one continent simply isn't going to happen. There are, however, places in Dragon Age other than the continent of Thedas... should we ever go to those places, one should expect to see other sorts of people there. And there's nothing stopping the occasional traveler from far away coming into the game for plot reasons, though that's going to be exceptional simply because traffic between the continents is not exactly great. If it was, you'd expect people to be talking about "the lands beyond Thedas" a trifle more, wouldn't you? That could, however, always change.

How people look in the game is really more the Art department's province than Writing's, but we have input on the subject (and a degree of influence over the context). Ultimately this is something you're simply going to have to wait and see on, and we'll show what we mean. Beyond that, however, like I said above there's really no reason to slam anyone who asks for more representation in fantasy. It's a big place.

This should, in all honesty, end the thread. 

Perhaps everyone here should pay attention to David's last two  lines.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:21 .

[AresKeith]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Actually, who cares if there is gravity? Who cares if we eat water and drink bread? Who cares if sexual reproduction occurs in the nasal canal?

After all, this is a fantasy world. It does not have to conform to real world ideas.

Why must you trolls spew such nonsense?

Because using the phrase "Who cares, it's a fantasy world" is a weak argument in itself

No it isn't, because Thedas is in fact a fantasy world that does not need to conform to real world anthropolocial trends.

And I'm not saying it shouldn't

But it's still a weak excuse to counter an arguement by saying "Who cares, it's a fantasy world"

[sandalisthemaker]

addiction21 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

 Why do the people of Thedas have to be sorely Caucasian in appearence?

Don't you know that whites are the norm, and anyone else is "other" and therefore they must  have a reason to justify their existance?

Its one thing to ask the question its another thing entirely to start making the snide comments.

Justified when considering the typical argument against including different looking people.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Yes we all split from the chimpanzee line. We all came from atoms originally too I didn't say we weren't from the same species, I said different races of those species. Which is, as you say, due to environment.

There are no hot, really sunny places in Ferelden. Logically, there wouldn't be any native black people in it (which is, indeed true; elves are the natives of ferelden and they have pale to tan skin).


My Hawke was black, my Warden was as close to arabic as I could manage with mods. I LOVE the ethnic diversity in the games. I'm just saying that everything has been caused by something, they aren't just different races for no reason whatsoever

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Sandal, stop trolling by making snide comments.



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[Angrywolves]

Not so fast jimmy.
I never said Thedas was the world or had to have asians.
As for the developers comments when were they made ?
If they were made concerning DAO or DA2, we don't know if they germane to a DAI conversation .
shrugs.
We don't know.
I don't like people coming in and trying to kill a thread with the weighed in before with any timeline.
shrugs.
Nothing personal .
Asians or no asians won't determine whether I buy the game.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Wait, hold on.....sandal, what David says SUPPORTS what I've been saying all along and now suddenly you agree with it?

Ok now I am convinced you are just being annoying, I'm done replying to you.

[SgtElias]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Because ideas like these have massive implications for the setting, and if left unanswered, would simply leave a giant gaping logic problem.

I think for that to be true, one has to assume that everyone you meet in Thedas must be "white," or vaguely European-esque, as some sort of default, and everyone not conforming to that "norm" is out of place and needs a special explanation. I guess I just (personally) don't understand why that's the case. People from Rivain traditionally have darker skin; does there need to be some long-winded exposition as to why, or how they got there? Hell, IS there lore about that, and I just forgot about it? So why would this be different?

If there is a culture whose features are radically different from everyone else, why aren't people reacting to them like they would qunari? Why has no one ever mentioned this nationality group ever before?

Probably because with mages running around turning into abominations, elves to oppress, and horned giants waging three hundred year wars, concerns like those seemed to be pretty unimportant?

Not trying to start an argument (though I assume that by weighing in I've basically done so already), I guess I just don't understand what the issue is.