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[GloriousDame]

Another BSN member had this to say:
 

Thedas is in dire need of an industrial revolution

It got me thinking about the industrial revolution, what it meant for our world, and what it would mean for Thedas to have one of its own.

An industrial revolution, any way you look at it, is a surefire way to not only accelerate,but drastically change society, culture, the economy, etc.  The general opinions on whether an industrial revolution is good for a society can be broken down into two basic outlooks:  A) Industrial Revolution equals progress, or Industrial Revolution corrupts.  Obviously neither one is objectively correct, as it can both help and hinder society.  Still, it’s interesting and somewhat frightening to imagine the ramifications an industrial revolution would have over the world of Thedas. 

Personally, I would hate to see Thedas head this way.  But my reasoning is much less complex than
the aforementioned.  Industrial Revolution or no, the world has always been and will likely always be violent, but
that doesn’t take away from the different ways the world was perceived before and after.   Some people, like me, have a romanticized view on life before the Industrial Revolution- that it was somehow better.  Of course this is completely subjective, but I firmly believe a lot of us were called to the Dragon Age universe for its medieval-esque setting.   

Swords, shields, armor, oh my!  There’s just SOMETHING about these things that is so alluring and an industrial revolution may as well be a goodbye to them. And a Dragon Age world without swords, shields, armor, and its lovable medieval setting, is not something I look forward to.

What about you? There are plenty shooters out there… Would you like to see DA as yet another one of those games?

Edit: Fixed the formatting... maybe.

Modifié par ArinTheirinCousland, 13 septembre 2013 - 04:09 .

[Han Shot First]

I'd rather they kept things in a quasi-medieval setting, and saved an industrial or steam-punk setting for a new IP.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I doubt they'll ever drastically change the setting.

The farthest I can see them going is simple, clunky and unreliable firearms. The Qunari seem pretty close.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I suppose it depends on how long it runs. These games strike me as having a bountiful wealth of stories to tell, I'm just not sure I want to do eight or nine games of "Magesfadedarkspawntemplarsblight."

[Deflagratio]

A lot of the motivation for an "Industrial revolution" kind of gets thrown away when you have ready access to Magic and other supernatural forces.

Also, look at the Fable Series. How well did "goin' industrial" work out for them? ha.

[Vit246]

I want to see cannons and firearms. And thats about it.

EDIT: And I want to see cannons on Qunari Dreadnoughts. And I want to know why nobody has managed to capture a single one.

Modifié par Vit246, 13 septembre 2013 - 04:54 .

[AresKeith]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I doubt they'll ever drastically change the setting.

The farthest I can see them going is simple, clunky and unreliable firearms. The Qunari seem pretty close.

Plus we still need to explore the rest of Thedas

[VampireSoap]

For some reason, I keep thinking about arcanum

[Ihatebadgames]

If you have magic you don't really need water or steam powered industry.

[VampireSoap]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

If you have magic you don't really need water or steam powered industry.

That's not ture, anyone can use technology, but not everyone's lucky enough to be locked up in a mage tower.

[Ihatebadgames]

But would mages allow technology?

[GloriousDame]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I doubt they'll ever drastically change the setting.

The farthest I can see them going is simple, clunky and unreliable firearms. The Qunari seem pretty close.

I sincerely hope you're right on the setting. And the that Qunari do, in fact, seem pretty close is what is frighetening; it just seems like they are approaching the age of firearms too quickly. 

Vit246 wrote...

I want to see cannons and firearms. And thats about it.

That would definitely drive me away from DA.  I'm sure a few others would agree on the greater appeal swords and shields have over firearms.  I'll gladly keep buying DA games so long as they don't become shooters or quasi-shooters.

Deflagratio wrote...
Also, look at the Fable Series. How well did "goin' industrial" work out for them? ha.

That's part of what I'd dislike if DA ever did that.  Of course, what with the new engine the games would look neater and overall better than Fable ever did, but it would still seem too similar.  I like Fable games well-enough, but I've never bothered to preorder or to be sure to stay updated on the latest news on the series, like I am with DA.  It simply doesn't have the same appeal as Dragon Age, and the whole "going industrial" thing is part of it.  At least for me  

[Maria Caliban]

I'll point out that you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms. The have nothing do to with increased productivity.

Deflagratio wrote...

Also, look at the Fable Series. How well did "goin' industrial" work out for them? ha.

It worked out well for them. Fable 3 sold more copies than 2 or 1.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 septembre 2013 - 05:46 .

[Am1vf]

I don't see how industry has to necessarily make swords, shields or armor obsolete. And I really have no idea how firearms would instantly turn DA into a shooter, just look at XCOM or Shadowrun Retuns for example, heck Bianca is pretty much a high tech assault rifle.

I'm not saying DA should go industrial, although Kirkwall's Foundry District aka "the rusty metal spike district" in lowtown isn't very far from it. But I think the fear of it is irrational and if done right it shouldn't ruin the setting for anyone.

It is also true that Thedas has plenty to explore as it is and there is no need to move forward time periods, but for the future (DA6 maybe) I wouldn't discard it and I dislike when fantasy universes seem to be stuck with no technological or societal progress over milennia.

About life being better before the Industrial Revolution, there is a reason why people moved on mass from the country to the cities... but I guess you aleady know that.

[GloriousDame]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'll point out that you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms. The have nothing do to with increased productivity.

Deflagratio wrote...

Also, look at the Fable Series. How well did "goin' industrial" work out for them? ha.

It worked out well for them. Fable 3 sold more copies than 2 or 1.

An industrial revolution is, in large part, about efficiency, yes?  Yes. Well, while the progression of an industrial revolution does not have to follow a distinct path, it's unlikely that it wouldn't take us down the road of firearms, seeing as how firearms is a more efficient way to kill people that swords.  And though you can argue again that "you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms," think about the Qunari's explosive powder. 

[Am1vf]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'll point out that you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms. The have nothing do to with increased productivity.

Deflagratio wrote...

Also, look at the Fable Series. How well did "goin' industrial" work out for them? ha.

It worked out well for them. Fable 3 sold more copies than 2 or 1.

An industrial revolution is, in large part, about efficiency, yes?  Yes. Well, while the progression of an industrial revolution does not have to follow a distinct path, it's unlikely that it wouldn't take us down the road of firearms, seeing as how firearms is a more efficient way to kill people that swords.  And though you can argue again that "you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms," think about the Qunari's explosive powder. 

The qunari seem a bit protective with their powder and I'm sure the people of Thedas are already interested in efficient ways of killing people and I don't see how it is necessarily related to industry.

[GloriousDame]

Am1_vf wrote...

It is also true that Thedas has plenty to explore as it is and there is no need to move forward time periods, but for the future (DA6 maybe) I wouldn't discard it and I dislike when fantasy universes seem to be stuck with no technological or societal progress over milennia.

About life being better before the Industrial Revolution, there is a reason why people moved on mass from the country to the cities... but I guess you aleady know that.

I can see  DA moving forward- my hope is that it doesn't move forward too quickly.  DA6 seems like a fair ways off; I like the way you think.

To clarify I never said life before the Industrial Revolution was factually better.  In fact, I stated that this was a romanticized view.

Modifié par ArinTheirinCousland, 13 septembre 2013 - 06:02 .

[Daerog]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

An industrial revolution is, in large part, about efficiency, yes?  Yes. Well, while the progression of an industrial revolution does not have to follow a distinct path, it's unlikely that it wouldn't take us down the road of firearms, seeing as how firearms is a more efficient way to kill people that swords.  And though you can argue again that "you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms," think about the Qunari's explosive powder. 

Bianca being in existence makes crossbows more effective than primitive firearms, which the Qunari don't even have yet.

Also, ENCHANTMENT!

Nations of Thedas like enchantments, I doubt the Qunari do much enchanting, could be wrong on that, though.

[GloriousDame]

Am1_vf wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'll point out that you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms. The have nothing do to with increased productivity.

Deflagratio wrote...

Also, look at the Fable Series. How well did "goin' industrial" work out for them? ha.

It worked out well for them. Fable 3 sold more copies than 2 or 1.

An industrial revolution is, in large part, about efficiency, yes?  Yes. Well, while the progression of an industrial revolution does not have to follow a distinct path, it's unlikely that it wouldn't take us down the road of firearms, seeing as how firearms is a more efficient way to kill people that swords.  And though you can argue again that "you can have an Industrial Revolution without firearms," think about the Qunari's explosive powder. 

The qunari seem a bit protective with their powder and I'm sure the people of Thedas are already interested in efficient ways of killing people and I don't see how it is necessarily related to industry.

As protective as Qunari may be over their powder, even they have traitors.  They may not be directly related, and maybe my original post came off as if I was only interested in keeping the swords and shields, so this is my fault.  I am also interested in keeping an IR away from DA for a while simply because having an Industrial Revolution would eventually move away from the whole medieval-esque theme.  Surely even you can agree with that.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Ok I guess steampunk was metioned already....but.....

I too would like the setting to stay the same

If there's a game after DA: I, I think it should be set a century or so afterwards

[Am1vf]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
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As protective as Qunari may be over their powder, even they have traitors.  They may not be directly related, and maybe my original post came off as if I was only interested in keeping the swords and shields, so this is my fault.  I am also interested in keeping an IR away from DA for a while simply because having an Industrial Revolution would eventually move away from the whole medieval-esque theme.  Surely even you can agree with that.

It could, but I don't think it has to. The Empire in Warhammer seems even more medieval than Thedas imo even though it has industry, firearms and even tanks.

Still, I also prefer when progress is gradual rather than a huge instant revolution.

[Daerog]

Don't need a Qunari traitor. Tevinter just needs to capture a qunari war ship, or just need to capture a qunari cannon, examine it, and try to replicate it using the lyrium explosive powder... or capture some of the gunpowder and examine it.

I'm sure they've seen the cannons in action more than the other nations of Thedas. I would expect Tevinter to learn about explosive powder before the other nations as they are in need to learn their enemy's (the Qunari) strengths and weaknesses more than the others nations.

Whether they take advantage of it, or the info leaks to other nations that then take advantage of the new information, who knows?

[Am1vf]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Don't need a Qunari traitor. Tevinter just needs to capture a qunari war ship, or just need to capture a qunari cannon, examine it, and try to replicate it using the lyrium explosive powder... or capture some of the gunpowder and examine it.

I'm sure they've seen the cannons in action more than the other nations of Thedas. I would expect Tevinter to learn about explosive powder before the other nations as they are in need to learn their enemy's (the Qunari) strengths and weaknesses more than the others nations.

Whether they take advantage of it, or the info leaks to other nations that then take advantage of the new information, who knows?

I would say it's more likeky (and cool) that Tevinter try to replicate Qunari cannons with Lyrium based explosives, which would result on a lot of health issues for the slaves producing and using them which might prevent other nations from trying to use them. This would give Tevinter a powerful advantage against the rest of thedas while making it a lot worse for people living in it and maybe increasing the chances of a slave revolt.

I don't know about the rest of you but I like how that sounds. 

Modifié par Am1_vf, 13 septembre 2013 - 06:33 .

[Huzzahfortimelines]

It could work. I mean, you can go for a total industrial setting (arcanum, steampunk), or a more... medieval tone setting. Think Baldur's Gate, while yes, it was still quite medieval, it did present an industrial flair.

[Ieldra]

Here's what Mike Laidlaw had to say about this:

RPS: Given that Varric and Cassandra are party members, I’m assuming Inquisition isn’t terribly far removed from Dragon Age 2′s timeline. For you guys, is there ever an interest in going beyond that point in the Dragon Age world and saying, “Okay, we’ve seen this place. We’ve seen what it’s like at this particular time. Let’s go into the future. Let’s go into the past”?

Laidlaw: I would almost say it’s a classic fantasy temptation. From there, there’s an enormously slippery slope which leads to cogs and large goggles. That’s cool. That’s a neat thing to do and it’s one way to take a franchise. But in our case, any time I’m asked that, I tend to say to myself, “What’s Minrathous like? What’s the capital of the
Tevinter Empire like?” I’m kind of curious to find out.

I don’t think I need to go to a different time to see something different. I’ve never been to Antiva. I don’t know what Rivain is like. I’ve never been to the homeland of the Qunari. There’s so much still left out there. There are so many other cool issues we can explore. I don’t necessarily see the future or the past to be places that we need to go digging just yet. There’s so much more stuff that I’d like to explore.

It won't happen any time soon. And just as Mike Laidlaw, I want to see Minrathous, Antiva, Rivain and all the other places we've heard so much about and never visited...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 septembre 2013 - 07:09 .