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[KT Chong]

Is it?

It is.

"American exceptionalism" is the official US position in international politics: we are superior so we makes the rules for everyone else to follow -- rules that  we ourselves do not have to follow.  Isn't it the equivalence of a school-yard ****** who bullies everyone else and loves to  tell everyone that he is special and better than everyone else?

Modifié par KT Chong, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:13 .

[RedArmyShogun]

This will be locked pretty fast. You are better off honestly joining one of the groups like the fallout shelter or ghost purgitory. This will be locked as soon as a mod gets around, can't have nice talks here.

Though I will say I agree.

[Fast Jimmy]

KT Chong wrote...

Is it?

It is. 

"American exceptionalism" is the official US position in international politics: we are superior so we makes the rules for everyone else to follow -- rules that  we ourselves do not have to follow.  Isn't it the equivalence of a school-yard ****** who bullies everyone else and loves to  tell everyone that he is special and better than everyone else? 

 

It is not. 




A schoolyard bully benefits no one but themselves. Threatening force to a dictator that has used weapons declared illleg by international law benefits the entire region, if not by extension the entire planet. If, by complacency, it endorses a lack of penalty for flouting human rights violations that results in thousands of civilian deaths, then that leads to the possibility of open season, where the international community isn't having to consider one intervention in one company, but dozens in places across the globe. 

America is the most wealthy, most productive, most technologically advanced and most militarily superior country on the planet. Does that make us morally superior?

No. But the argument could be made that, with all of this advantage over every country on the planet, particularly third world countries such as Syria, the fact that we enter into negotiations, consider the losses their people might suffer, offer a dictator known to be an international criminal the option of a peaceful solution and, essentially, not just roll tanks in whenever the heck we want says that, at the very least, we see the benefits, both logistical and moral, with not using our power however we see fit, whenever we see fit. Given the record of human history and civilizations in our exact position, I don't think it makes us neccessarily unique - but it IS an exception, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hence., exceptionally.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:52 .

[Heimdall]

KT Chong wrote...

"American exceptionalism" is the official US position in international politics

Um, no its not.  It was, especially around 1900, but the attitude's been out of fashion for decades.  Not that some politicians haven't held it recently, but as far as an official national position?  No.

Self proclaimed international police?  Maybe

Troll, or just looking to pick a fight?

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 13 septembre 2013 - 12:50 .

[Knight of Dane]

Funny thing though, the wealthiest country is Qatar followed by Luxembourg, the most productive is Norway followed by Singapore, the most technologically advanced is Japan where the US is second and the country with the largest army is China where the US comes in second again.

But datz off topic. Sorry.

[Wulfram]

It's just standard nationalism/patriotism.

[EarthboundNess]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

No. But the argument could be made that, with all of this advantage over every country on the planet, particularly third world countries such as Syria, the fact that we enter into negotiations, consider the losses their people might suffer, offer a dictator known to be an international criminal the option of a peaceful solution and, essentially, not just roll tanks in whenever the heck we want says that, at the very least, we see the benefits, both logistical and moral, with not using our power however we see fit, whenever we see fit. Given the record of human history and civilizations in our exact position, I don't think it makes us neccessarily unique - but it IS an exception, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hence., exceptionally.

See, this is what's important to remember. No ones releasing the hounds at the first sign of trouble, a far different story to that of others throughout history. A lot of people would say that the sheer anmount of deliberation and inaction surrounding the likes of the Syria situation is too much as is. The fact that these things are debated so thoroughly hardly seems like moral superiority.

And besides, America aren't the only ones. I'm British, and I'd say our country would be just as guilty of such an assesment as anyone

@Fast Jimmy  Love the signature by the way.

Modifié par Earthbound N, 13 septembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[Eurypterid]

Oh look. Flame bait/trolling thinly disguised as a political discussion, both of which are against the rules here. This won't end well.

[stonbw1]

I guess the folks up in Canada aren't awake yet; I can't believe this thread even made it 2 hours....

Knight of Dane wrote...

Funny thing though, the wealthiest country is Qatar followed by Luxembourg, the most productive is Norway followed by Singapore, the most technologically advanced is Japan where the US is second and the country with the largest army is China where the US comes in second again.

But datz off topic. Sorry.

OT: I always thought that the wealthiest per capita country was actually Vatican City.

[Liamv2]

"No politics please."

"End of the line."

Modifié par Liamv2, 13 septembre 2013 - 02:50 .