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[Zu Long]

God I hope not. Bioshock Infinite's story wasn't enough to keep me from putting it down halfway through, and I eventually uninstalled it when I realized I'd never pick it up again. Whatever you want to say about Bioware, I've never NOT finished a Bioware game once I started playing it. Can't say the same for Bioshock.

[Sol Downer]

Bleh...the best thing about Infinite was that one guy who said "FIRE'S HOT!" before he blew up. In fact...Bioware, I want people like this in game.

[VampireSoap]

EntropicAngel wrote...

What are you talking about? My logic says no such thing.

My logic says that Bioware writes hundreds of thousands of words of dialog, and has people speak it. They have cinematic cutscenes--not just the fancy CGI, but cinematic cutscenes with moving cameras and action and character movement. They have a voice actor(s) for the protagonist.

They are absolutely story-driven games, and that has nothing to do with Call of Duty.

Please calm down. My point was that not every game that has a story is automatically story-driven. And I just said I reserved my judgment. Also...the lastest Call of Duty games do have "cinematic cutscenes with moving cameras and action and character movement" and of course, a fully voiced protagonist. Please don't be mad, this is actually funny.

[Mr.House]

Blops 2 did have better choices then ME3 sadly.

[Zu Long]

Mr.House wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Bioware has had story driven games since KotOR, OP. There's no reason to expect otherwise for DA I.

The only Bioware games that had a truly good main story was JE and BG2, most of there other games have been saved by the characters.

Hmm. I'll say I strongly disagree, and leave it at that.

[Dave of Canada]

 BioShock Infinite wasn't great so it wouldn't be difficult to be on par with it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 septembre 2013 - 04:14 .

[VampireSoap]

In Exile wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...
When a game's combat enjoys a much higher priority than the story, it can no longer be considered story-driven.

Based on your logic, all Call of Duty games can be considered story-driven, and that's simply not ture.

One would hope that the non-dialogue gameplay of any game should have higher prorioty than the story. The only place where that doesn't happen is say Heavy Rain.

Ok, I said "much higher", and that conveys a very different idea from what you understand, so I guess you just mentally erased some of my words. That happens

[Savber100]

Bioware has generally sucked at writing good overarching plot that wasn't a smorgsboard of cliches.

Characters is where they generally excel.

[AppealToReason]

I didn't find Infinite's ending to be that wow, let alone the entirety of the plot. It was actually probably my least favourite Bioshock game. So I hope DAI will be better.

[In Exile]

VampireSoap wrote...
Ok, I said "much higher", and that conveys a very different idea from what you understand, so I guess you just mentally erased some of my words. That happens

I can edit in a "much" if it makes you feel better, because I still stand by that statement. Designing good gameplay is much harder, IMO, than designing what amounts to a good story for a video game. 

[OLDIRTYBARON]

I don't think BioWare is interested in making the kind of game BioShock is. That's not even speaking toward the fact that BioShock is a first person shooter. I mean on a philosophical level, both Irrational Games and BioWare have very different ideas as to what makes a good game and how to get there.

Not to mention I don't think anyone at BioWare is all that interested in making a game that challenges you emotionally and intellectually.That's not a dig at them - they make fantasy and sci-fi RPGs that focus on the bombastic, operatic nature of their genres. It's all about the feel-good while something like BioShock is all about the introspection.

[In Exile]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...
Not to mention I don't think anyone at BioWare is all that interested in making a game that challenges you emotionally and intellectually.That's not a dig at them - they make fantasy and sci-fi RPGs that focus on the bombastic, operatic nature of their genres. It's all about the feel-good while something like BioShock is all about the introspection.

I don't think Bioshock succeeds in doing either of these things. It's a mind screw, but it's not an intellectual challenge. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

The Last of Us>BioShock Infinite

Just felt like saying that for no reason at all.

Carry on.

[VampireSoap]

In Exile wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...
Ok, I said "much higher", and that conveys a very different idea from what you understand, so I guess you just mentally erased some of my words. That happens

I can edit in a "much" if it makes you feel better, because I still stand by that statement. Designing good gameplay is much harder, IMO, than designing what amounts to a good story for a video game. 

No...it won't make me feel better because you're still not understanding me. Would you be so kind to try at least?

Modifié par VampireSoap, 14 septembre 2013 - 04:21 .

[Dave of Canada]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

The Last of Us>BioShock Infinite

Just felt like saying that for no reason at all.

Carry on.

The Walking Dead > The Last of Us >>>>> BioShock Infinite.

[In Exile]

VampireSoap wrote...
No...it won't make me feel better because you're still not understanding me. Would you be so kind to try at least?

What is there to parse? You seem to be suggesting that gameplay can't be a much higher design priority than story for the game to be story-driven, and that's wrong. If you're suggest gameplay is a much bigger feature of your overall time than story, and the game can't be story driven as a result, that's also wrong.

So what is there to miss?

[Zu Long]

In Exile wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...
Not to mention I don't think anyone at BioWare is all that interested in making a game that challenges you emotionally and intellectually.That's not a dig at them - they make fantasy and sci-fi RPGs that focus on the bombastic, operatic nature of their genres. It's all about the feel-good while something like BioShock is all about the introspection.

I don't think Bioshock succeeds in doing either of these things. It's a mind screw, but it's not an intellectual challenge. 

Agreed.

[Deflagratio]

The Last of Us is a Zombie Apocalypse survival game. BEST GAME EVAR.

Bioshock: Infinite is about the concept in quantum mechanics known as String Theory. OMG CLICHE AND UNORIGINAL.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Dave of Canada wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

The Last of Us>BioShock Infinite

Just felt like saying that for no reason at all.

Carry on.

The Walking Dead > The Last of Us >>>>> BioShock Infinite.

Perhaps...perhaps...

[OLDIRTYBARON]

In Exile wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...
Not to mention I don't think anyone at BioWare is all that interested in making a game that challenges you emotionally and intellectually.That's not a dig at them - they make fantasy and sci-fi RPGs that focus on the bombastic, operatic nature of their genres. It's all about the feel-good while something like BioShock is all about the introspection.

I don't think Bioshock succeeds in doing either of these things. It's a mind screw, but it's not an intellectual challenge. 

Like anything else in art, it depends on what experiences you're bringing to the table. For me, as an older brother who has practically raised his sisters, Booker and Elizabeth's story was very emotional. My own questions about God, the afterlife, religion, and everything in between led to some serious contemplation during the early hours of the game. Especially during the hauntingly beautiful arrival in Columbia. 

If you didn't feel anything, or if you didn't think anything during your time with the game, that's cool. It didn't speak to you. However, making a blanket judgment that because it didn't speak to you means it didn't speak to anyone else is pretty shallow.

[VampireSoap]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Not to mention I don't think anyone at BioWare is all that interested in making a game that challenges you emotionally and intellectually.That's not a dig at them - they make fantasy and sci-fi RPGs that focus on the bombastic, operatic nature of their genres. It's all about the feel-good while something like BioShock is all about the introspection.

I disagree...Kotor and the Baldur's Saga were wonderful games that really gave me something to think about.

[OdanUrr]

Deflagratio wrote...

The Last of Us is a Zombie Apocalypse survival game. BEST GAME EVAR.

Bioshock: Infinite is about the concept in quantum mechanics known as String Theory. OMG CLICHE AND UNORIGINAL.

It is and it isn't.

[Zu Long]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

In Exile wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...
Not to mention I don't think anyone at BioWare is all that interested in making a game that challenges you emotionally and intellectually.That's not a dig at them - they make fantasy and sci-fi RPGs that focus on the bombastic, operatic nature of their genres. It's all about the feel-good while something like BioShock is all about the introspection.

I don't think Bioshock succeeds in doing either of these things. It's a mind screw, but it's not an intellectual challenge. 

Like anything else in art, it depends on what experiences you're bringing to the table. For me, as an older brother who has practically raised his sisters, Booker and Elizabeth's story was very emotional. My own questions about God, the afterlife, religion, and everything in between led to some serious contemplation during the early hours of the game. Especially during the hauntingly beautiful arrival in Columbia. 

If you didn't feel anything, or if you didn't think anything during your time with the game, that's cool. It didn't speak to you. However, making a blanket judgment that because it didn't speak to you means it didn't speak to anyone else is pretty shallow.

You did precisely that when you claimed Bioware was all about feel-good, though.