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[LiarasShield]

Lieber wrote...

Yup. Bring Down the Sky is still available to download but EA has taken Pinnacle Station off from Origin, effectively making it unavailable for PC now.

Also EA discounts the Battlefield DLCs and released a "Premium Edition" that contained all of the bonus content. Why couldn't they do that with Mass Effect?

That's what I would like to know

[LisuPL]

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[Statichands]

 Doesn't effect me. I got all the games and dlc later so I spent around £80 on both and got all the dlc 

[KroganSoul]

because you will pay for the dlc..

[AlexMBrennan]

Also EA discounts the Battlefield DLCs and released a "Premium Edition" that contained all of the bonus content. Why couldn't they do that with Mass Effect?

Because BF is an MP annual franchise that no one will want to play once the sequel is released whereas you can still play ME1.

[LiarasShield]

KroganSoul wrote...

because you will pay for the dlc..

But what happens when the dlc gets taken down from the online store ? then other players won't have anyway to obtain it or if they have to revamp their memory do to errors and want to be able to dl the dlc again.

[Lieber]

LiarasShield wrote...

KroganSoul wrote...

because you will pay for the dlc..

But what happens when the dlc gets taken down from the online store ? then other players won't have anyway to obtain it or if they have to revamp their memory do to errors and want to be able to dl the dlc again.

This happened with Pinnacle Station. Sure it's not a really good DLC but I kinda wanted to play it on PC.

[Beliar86]

If you had pinnacle station registered on EA DL manager or origin you can still download pinnacle station at anytime.  You just can't buy it from the store.  It may be located under your hidden games tab.  Show all doesn't work on stuff that is hidden, fyi.

[voteDC]

Beliar86 wrote...

If you had pinnacle station registered on EA DL manager or origin you can still download pinnacle station at anytime.  You just can't buy it from the store.  It may be located under your hidden games tab.  Show all doesn't work on stuff that is hidden, fyi.

I confess this kind of annoys me. Origin automatically includes Pinnacle Station when you download Mass Effect.

To say I loathe the DLC would be an understatement.

What makes matters worse is that Demiurge, the people who did the Mass Effect PC port, made the DLC.

Modifié par voteDC, 14 décembre 2013 - 11:51 .

[Beliar86]

voteDC wrote...

Beliar86 wrote...

If you had pinnacle station registered on EA DL manager or origin you can still download pinnacle station at anytime.  You just can't buy it from the store.  It may be located under your hidden games tab.  Show all doesn't work on stuff that is hidden, fyi.

I confess this kind of annoys me. Origin automatically includes Pinnacle Station when you download Mass Effect.

To say I loathe the DLC would be an understatement.

What makes matters worse is that Demiurge, the people who did the Mass Effect PC port, made the DLC.

I didn't know they made it.  It is pretty crappy, and doesn't transfer either.  They did a fantastic job porting ME over though.  Definitely needed to stay out of the storytelling department and maybe actual content creation all together though lol

[Thesandman87]

honestly, you got 3 games for the price of one game, and you complain about it, I do not understand your reasoning at all. As someone who bought and paid for every single Mass Effect 2 and 3 DLC id be quite upset if they gave it away, it wasn't cheap to get it all. This isn't a GOTY edition, this is simply 3 games for the price of one and considering they can still easily ask 20 for ME1 and 2, and 40 for 3, whats the grip, you got a good deal, I paid 49.99 for ME1, 49.99 for ME2, and 59.99 for ME3.

this just strikes me as an ungrateful attitude, you should be glad they did this at all, they didn't have to ya know

Modifié par Thesandman87, 17 décembre 2013 - 08:08 .

[LiarasShield]

Thesandman87 wrote...

honestly, you got 3 games for the price of one game, and you complain about it, I do not understand your reasoning at all. As someone who bought and paid for every single Mass Effect 2 and 3 DLC id be quite upset if they gave it away, it wasn't cheap to get it all. This isn't a GOTY edition, this is simply 3 games for the price of one and considering they can still easily ask 20 for ME1 and 2, and 40 for 3, whats the grip, you got a good deal, I paid 49.99 for ME1, 49.99 for ME2, and 59.99 for ME3.

this just strikes me as an ungrateful attitude, you should be glad they did this at all, they didn't have to ya know

Their is nothing ungrateful about it the downloadable content is not always gonna be in the online store forever so do I feel their should be a version with the dlc already incorporated so when it goes offline people can still get the dlc hell yes I do.

[Redbelle]

Thesandman87 wrote...

honestly, you got 3 games for the price of one game, and you complain about it, I do not understand your reasoning at all. As someone who bought and paid for every single Mass Effect 2 and 3 DLC id be quite upset if they gave it away, it wasn't cheap to get it all. This isn't a GOTY edition, this is simply 3 games for the price of one and considering they can still easily ask 20 for ME1 and 2, and 40 for 3, whats the grip, you got a good deal, I paid 49.99 for ME1, 49.99 for ME2, and 59.99 for ME3.

this just strikes me as an ungrateful attitude, you should be glad they did this at all, they didn't have to ya know

Not saying your wrong in some of what you said..... but c'mon now. Bioware, and by extention EA put all 3 games into one package to make more money out of their product.

However, the product does not contain the full version via the absence of DLC content.

Frankly, telling someone they ought to be grateful for what they recieve from companies is the height of irresponsible consumerism. The company respond to customer demand then seek to supply the demand in the most cost effective way possible.

Saying 'We ought to be grateful' is just a way of encouraging company higher ups who sit around a table looking at their profit margins to say, 'we can deliver less for the same price'.

And let's not beat around the bush. As a consumer, the consumer has no right to apply moral outrage to those who know how the pricing game works. If you buy on release, you pay high for being amoung the first to play the content. If you wait, then the price drops. It's just what happens. Therefore, if you are morally outraged at paying a high price for the ME experience then just don't pay the premium price on release if it makes you so angry to think that other's will later on have the opportunity to buy it at a cheaper price for the same experience at a later date.

To round off....... This 'We ought to be grateful', is something I'd say is good...... but not if companies use the gratitude to extort higher pricing for poorer quality goods.

Supply and demand is the factor here. And I think a GOTY edition of the ME trilogy is in demand along with a DA GOTY....... Much like DA:O produced a GOTY edition.

The fact that we as consumers are not getting these GOTY editions will naturally raise question's of opportunism in that those who buy the core games must then buy the full price DLC over the net where pricing is more stable and by extention, higher. Gamer's just want everything on one easily manageable disc or download where they only have to part with their money in one transaction.

Bahh. Getting to involved in the disscussion. Just for the love of everything holy. Recognise that consumer power is under enough pressure without 'we should be grateful' people throwing out that phrase so irresponsibly.

Modifié par Redbelle, 21 décembre 2013 - 04:12 .

[voteDC]

Beliar86 wrote...
I confess this kind of annoys me. Origin automatically includes Pinnacle Station when you download Mass Effect.

To say I loathe the DLC would be an understatement.

What makes matters worse is that Demiurge, the people who did the Mass Effect PC port, made the DLC.


I didn't know they made it.  It is pretty crappy, and doesn't transfer either.  They did a fantastic job porting ME over though.  Definitely needed to stay out of the storytelling department and maybe actual content creation all together though lol

The PC port of Mass Effect is great and you can tell that they made a real effort to adapt it to the PC. Unlike Bioware with Mass Effect 2 which was a quite poor effort on their part. At least they got it back with ME3.

But yes, Demiurge made Pinnacle Station. An absolute horror of a DLC.

Modifié par voteDC, 23 décembre 2013 - 02:25 .

[SilJeff]

AWT42 wrote...

A "Mass Effect Trilogy: Complete Edition" with all DLC would be nice especially since the DLC doesn't go on sale very often. I have the DLC already so it doesn't affect me but it would be good for newcomers to the series.

if they make something like that, the Wii U ahould see it too

[LiarasShield]

just saying the online store won't be around forever and those who either haven't had a chance to get it yet or have lost their game data wouldn't be able to get the dlc again so I don't see how it would be unfair to request a full version of the games I mean in the opposite respect why wouldn't the developers want their customers to experience all of their art or creations?

[Squeets]

LiarasShield wrote...

just saying the online store won't be around forever and those who either haven't had a chance to get it yet or have lost their game data wouldn't be able to get the dlc again so I don't see how it would be unfair to request a full version of the games I mean in the opposite respect why wouldn't the developers want their customers to experience all of their art or creations?

Just saying, you're freaking paranoid.

If "the store isn't going to be around forever" is your only argument against them not giving away the DLC, then you argument is pretty weak and pretty stupid at the same time.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Karsciyin wrote...

Thanks guys, you're stellar.
Nothing for Pinnacle Station though? Is that truly lost to legitimate means? :c

When talking about Pinnacle Station for the PS3 I recall reading somewhere that the devs said that code was messed up, corruputed, or damaged beyond repair and said it wasn't going to be out the PS3.  

Now granted that was the PS3 it MIGHT be true for the PC and Xbox 360 as well.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Having purchased all three ME games, and all the DLC for them, over the years... I can say that:

a)  Bring Down the Sky rocked!  That it's now available (for free!) to everyone is fine by me. 

  Pinnacle Station was an absolute waste of time and effort!  I would never recommend it, and only want the hour-or-so I spent playing it (if you can call it that) added back to my life. 
Don't have it on my fresh Win8.1 rig's install, and don't miss it.

c)  Charging for DLC for their successful releases is one way that publishers are able support all the unsuccessful ones.  If I'm running a business and I see people like a game years after release well enough to buy an add-on, I'm going to make it even easier for new players to discover the game, and hope some percentage of them join that crowd. 

Be honest, would you pay US$60 for a seven year-old game?  How about US$40?  US$20?  I might pay US$2.99 as a lark.  But give me three full games for US$20, and I might well spend another US$40 getting the DLC.  This way EA/BioWare has a chance to get US$60 from me when, without the initial "deal", they wouldn't have received anything at all.  And remember, no one is forced to buy any DLC.  The games are perfectly playable without. 
"You like?  You want more?  Here ya' go, but it's not free." 

d)  EA has, in fact, released a discounted package with all the expansions and DLC for one of its BioWare games; the Dragon Age: Origins / Ultimate Edition.  While this is technically just a single game, the UE included the 20-40 hour "Awakening" expansion, and every single bit of other game-play DLC.  That's a game-and-a-half, plus seven add-on adventures (TSP, RtO, WK, LS, GoA, DSC, and WH) and a dozen-or-so minor items.  The price was about 50% of the original base-game, (33% of the total if you also add the release-day price of "Awakening".) 
It's even gone on sale for less in some channels.  :happy:

So let's be glad that thanks to the Trilogy, a new group of players has discovered the ME universe and is buying DLC to go with it. 
That way, there'll be The Next Thing™, as someone I know at BioWare likes to say.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 27 décembre 2013 - 05:29 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Also, Bethesda released the Elder Scrolls box set that has the complete TES from the beginning for the including all of the expansions for Morrowind, all the DLC for Oblivion and Skyrim. It was $79 when it came out.

Why couldn't EA release the ME trilogy with all of the DLC included?

[Redbelle]

Seems like BW aren't ready to put ME on the back catalogue of games they have produced yet.

Hope they pull it together because not releasing the full, complete game they crafted in one transaction does not bode well for how people relate to it in future years to come.

It's like buying KOTOR and discovering that known of the game fix patches are included on the disc and the game is playing as it was when it was first released. As opposed to the polished product it became.

[Aloren]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Also, Bethesda released the Elder Scrolls box set that has the complete TES from the beginning for the including all of the expansions for Morrowind, all the DLC for Oblivion and Skyrim. It was $79 when it came out.

Why couldn't EA release the ME trilogy with all of the DLC included?

Because Bethesda sold 15 or 20 million copies of Skyrim ?

Also, as for the "the store may close one day" argument, well, EA can still release an ultimate Mass Effect trilogy edition then...

[archav3n]

It's about the money, money, money...

[TheViper8234]